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[Alonzo]

We joined...

[Alonzo]

Flippynips posted!

Possibly town... =)

[Alonzo]

Interesting opening so far..

Think Flippynips is likely town based on postcount.
TTTT possibly too, tho not as strongly as our last game, but it's still early.

Flavour bothers me with his smugness... Bottom of the pile so far for me.

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE:

[Alonzo]

Kinda TR Rubys hard pushing feel like that comes from town them in my experience.

[Alonzo]

How long is left?

[Alonzo]

3 days

OK I will try to get isos done ASAP, no day off till Friday however.

Will rr my previous with thespio as well. Didn't realise we were so close to deadline

[Alonzo]

TTTT how do you read thespio vs slaxxx? Do you agree with rr that thes was scummy?

[Alonzo]

also if you read Ruby more closely you'll see he looked into Thespio's soul
I can't be the only one who realizes this, right?

Are you trying to actually say something without saying it here or are you blatantly pontificating on tangential issues?

Pontificating lol
Slaxxx may be scum!

[Alonzo]

also if you read Ruby more closely you'll see he looked into Thespio's soul
I can't be the only one who realizes this, right?

Are you trying to actually say something without saying it here or are you blatantly pontificating on tangential issues?

Pontificating lol
Slaxxx may be scum!

Do tell.

Picking on my posts calling them scummy without saying why exactly, followed up by accusing someone of blatant pontification...

Was I ever gonna TR that?

[Alonzo]

Where did I call your posts scummy?

“Blatant Pontification” was a joke between TTTT from earlier in the thread. He said it was a beautiful euphemism for shitposting so I used it again. Explain why accusing someone of blatant pontification is scummy though. How does that indicate my alignment to you?

Also you said you’d give reads a while back, any new ones since then besides a scumread on the most viable wagon today?

Also if you think I’m scum shouldn’t your vote be on me? I’m nowhere near L-1.

Its a case of mistaken Identity I'm afraid.

I have imagined you talking shit about me earlier in a vague nondescript manner then turning into latter day Shakespeare elsewhere when infact I am just wrong.
I apologize. I have my players confused. Your not the guy I'm looking for.

Carry on>

ID fail aside I'v been reading along since I joined, focused mainly on those I know and skimming those I don't, I have the day tomorrow for some deeper diving, I would like to re read the thread again better informed of which slot became who etc. find out who' said what
I don't feel I'v missed much from those I recognize so far, they've been the apples of my eye here.

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

Howdy!
VOTE: or

There's not really much to go off of, but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf and rb being town.

@mod

/replace out
Didn't realise my lack of time ahead of time.
Sorry!

Flippynips posted!

Possibly town... =)

Interesting opening so far..

Think Flippynips is likely town based on postcount.
TTTT possibly too, tho not as strongly as our last game, but it's still early.

Flavour bothers me with his smugness... Bottom of the pile so far for me.

UNVOTE:

Kinda TR Rubys hard pushing feel like that comes from town them in my experience.

How long is left?

tbh if I was to townread Alonzo for one post it would be "how long is left?" LOL

but this slot looks pretty scummy, I think both Bittersweet and Alonzo have pinged me in different ways -- Bittersweet with the FL/rb T/T read which seemed unwarranted, Alonzo with calling the opening "interesting" when... frankly it wasn't?

VOTE: Alonzo

Why wasn't the game interesting? Looked interesting to me at a glance...

[Alonzo]

First quarter

I think he’s already posted more than he normally would have if he was scum.

This looks like he’s excited to be town. only his first game on site he was town in.

This is probably just bad strategically rather than scummy, but either way it stuck out to me.

Clearing it up, I know FlippyNips in real life.

I’m sitting in the back of his car as I type this.

Hows your poker face?

any direction for town is better than no direction

worst towns ever are ones that don't act with conviction. the reason i get killed early as town all the time even if my reads aren't the best is because i make towns be active and play with conviction.

failure to have clear and strong wagons benefits scum. overall town cohesion and tone is much more important to foster on day1 than obsessing for 30 pages over bad early game reads

if you disagree you are a dum and should uninstall the game

Love this

what a perfect textbook response rb

I'v played with saudade a few time, this feels like he's holding back on his eccentricity in this one.

saudade can be town for now too

or?

Seriously?
UNVOTE:

seriously townie

UNVOTE: Rb

Hmm. My RVS vote gained a fast wagon.

I'm guessing by how quickly you pull out you dont have kids? =)

VOTE: bittersweet

I'll take TTTT's word on it.

Like Joges here

VOTE: Bittersweet

You a sheep or a wolf mumble?

Why are we voting bittersweet? Did I miss something? Or are we just trying to make him talk?

Well I don’t have a read on him in this game yet, I feel like most of what hes said is about me.

I normally just assume he’s scum until proven otherwise.
But I’ll say more about him later when the game progresses as well as other

Flippy speaking and promising to speak again. Speak Flippy speak!

Scum aren't trying to get a lynch this early. That mostly happened because people don't pay attention to vote counts this early.

Seems fair, liking Percivul even if I dont agree with him 100%

[Alonzo]

Wow page 8 is its own thread!

Its very easy to persuade you to unvote

Was just thinking that..

wow my endorsement of jorges really works. how about my condemnation of stanley. this guys a solid 6/10 scum.

Or you are going to have to explain how your scale of evil works.

I'v not heard the expression 'solid 6/10' before?

VOTE: stan

That's the first time Flavor has unvoted since their unvote of an RVS vote. I don't like the picture you wanted to paint here based on one instance. You didn't word it "It was really easy for you to unvote right now." You said:

Its very easy to persuade you to unvote

Which makes it sound like a thing that has been happening all game.

Why wouldn't it look like flavour disbanded the RVS wagon?

hard changing wagons

VOTE: Thespio

i've decided. this lynches a wolf one hundred percent of the time.

i will scream this shit down if need be. one hundred percent confident.

if you want a scum lynch day one, sheep this shit.

Like I said, classic RR from my 1 game with them. Got their (TvT) lynch through, then got NK'd N1.

Would have to dig deeper into them to prove they would do the same as scum.

flavor leaf #1 partner suspect if joges flips scum

weak distance followed by unvote

if joges flips scum, flavor leaf gets powerlynched

If i was scum this is exactly what I would want you to think

Ok, now we are getting saucy..

oh, so we should just lynch flavor leaf first

Now I know, now I know you know I know...

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

ScumMe wouldn’t have taken my vote off of you earlier when you got high wagon’d and then said you could still be scum.

ScumMe lurks around until it settles itself. You know this in your heart to be true, Rb.

So i figure we get a town block going of Rb, FlippyNips, and myself.

Rb, what say you?

Doesn’t a nice old Ruby wagon sound fun right about now?

So i figure we get a town block going of Rb, FlippyNips, and myself.

Rb, what say you?

no

townblock is me, persivul, tentative thespio

thx

ScumMe wouldn’t have taken my vote off of you earlier when you got high wagon’d and then said you could still be scum.

ScumMe lurks around until it settles itself. You know this in your heart to be true, Rb.

me knows that you talk dumb self-meta shit as scum a lot

ScumMe wouldn’t have taken my vote off of you earlier when you got high wagon’d and then said you could still be scum.

ScumMe lurks around until it settles itself. You know this in your heart to be true, Rb.

me knows that you talk dumb self-meta shit as scum a lot

I actually do this more as town.

You haven’t seen me for a bit.

I went on quite a tear the past year.

yah, which means you want me to tunnel so you can discredit the tunnel as confbias

sorry you rolled scum and sorry you fucked up i guess

ScumMe wouldn’t have taken my vote off of you earlier when you got high wagon’d and then said you could still be scum.

ScumMe lurks around until it settles itself. You know this in your heart to be true, Rb.

me knows that you talk dumb self-meta shit as scum a lot

I actually do this more as town.

You haven’t seen me for a bit.

I went on quite a tear the past year.

still talking self-meta

vote is now locked in

hey ruby red, lynch FL today and i follow you tomorrow

Flavours attitude here caught my attention on the first read through and time has not aged these posts well.
From meta I know this is exactly how and what Flavour would do as town here, but its way less obvious to new players what ego posts are, and I question the use here beyond looking to trigger someone new.

[Alonzo]

yah, which means you want me to tunnel so you can discredit the tunnel as confbias

sorry you rolled scum and sorry you fucked up i guess

Haven’t been mislynched in over a year.

You can try if you’d like.


I need to be mislynched a few times tbh. I’ve had some pretty fantastic scum games recently, so people gonna get paranoid.

Again purpose?? I dont wanna bang on about it, but what were you thinking?

I think we just have countering perspectives.

yeah a post is missing
it was mine
it was a really well-thought out and detailed post that laid out a flawless unimpeachable case on the scumteam
it incorporated meta analysis, VCA, wagon heuristics, and other things smart people do
somehow it got deleted and now I can't remember any of it so you'll have to take my word on this one

Wish I read TTTT more town in this one, post like these keep me guessing...

OK, I'm out of my mind then for taking

always

to mean what it means.

mod, please replace me

Its hard to Imagine a scum with people backing him up getting this bent out of shape over a single slot, tentative TR for Rb off the back of this interaction.

To Flavour I would say come and pick on someone your own size!!

[Alonzo]

In the wake of RB replacing out, The void is filled by RR and Percivul the splitting hairs, leading up to Percivul replacing out.

If I would accuse Flavour of overdoing it, I gotta cast an accusing eye at RR also.

Thats top of pg14, gonna grab some food and brb

[Alonzo]

ok some quotes are missing from #695 should been rbs exit in there somewhere

[Alonzo]

ok, didn't realise that at all, definately read like quite an inexperienced player, but goes some way to explaining the extra needle in those posts.

[Alonzo]

Hey, Alonzo. Are you town?

[Alonzo]

I think RC blocked me.

[Alonzo]

What was the case on me weiss?
did it ever progress beyond tagging my posts and making air sucking noises?

[Alonzo]

Alonzo, who is scum?

At the drop of a hat maybe You, or plus 1?

I don't like the main 2 wagons hugely. If both where L-1 it would be hard to call between them. I'd vote slaxxx based on thespios percieved reluctance to participate, but I'd be wary following a RR tunnel.

Stanleys posts are shorter but I don't sense scum in their content.

[Alonzo]

why stanley?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Joges

Change my mind

[Alonzo]

Or, joges, Alonzo, mumble. There’s 1 or 2 scum in there.

Town Flavour never votes Alonzo here tho...

[Alonzo]

Or, joges, Alonzo, mumble. There’s 1 or 2 scum in there.

Town Flavour never votes Alonzo here tho...

Are you saying Flavour is town since they didn't vote for you then?

No.

[Alonzo]

Or, joges, Alonzo, mumble. There’s 1 or 2 scum in there.

Town Flavour never votes Alonzo here tho...

Are you saying Flavour is town since they didn't vote for you then?

No.

Are you saying it would make no sense for town flavour to list you in those three since they would never vote for you then?

Im saying Lucky flavour has three outs today that I cant do much about

[Alonzo]

What are you saying Joges?

Is Flavour conftown based on the Nippy NK?

[Alonzo]

List of reasons Nippy was a good choice for a night kill.

1. his Nips

are

flippy

2. His flippy nips knew too much

3. wifom

[Alonzo]

I refuse to accept your townie points
first it's like hey man here's some townie points for doing something basic
then it's like oooh dude sheep my vote just this once for like pressure and stuff
and the next thing I know I've moved in and I'm doing your fucking laundry
no thank you good sir no thank you

haha!

[Alonzo]

VOTE: CREATURE

Il double down on TTTTs push

[Alonzo]

unless the promise of said posts as evidence fails to materialize

[Alonzo]

And to the people who are commenting on my conftown comment, y’all scummy af.

Does that include Alonzo? Everybody else was just answering his question.

NAh, Alonzo knows I’m town

( I think) I know you wouldn't kill Nippy, but I'm still no closer to guessing who would.

and why??!

[Alonzo]

Yes, I dont have Creature sorted, and didn't pay him as much attention as I would have liked D1 as we both just joined.

If what you say is true, then I'm intruiged to re read said interaction.

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE:

With hindsight I remember having a strong town lean on Percival, which is likely why I didn't spend effort trying to read Creature.
Unvote for now, but I'm still keen to hear from creature re ttttgate

[Alonzo]

I think re need a resolution re flavour/Stanley. Gonna be a long ass game if we don't get that.

[Alonzo]

OK let me rephrase, I'd like to hear from a sober FL wtf happened

[Alonzo]

I think re need a resolution re flavour/Stanley. Gonna be a long ass game if we don't get that.

Does Alonzo write this post as town?

Why don't you tell us what you think I'd write...

[Alonzo]

I think that if you were town you would feel like you have some sort of read on Flavor Leaf, one way or the other, and that you would either be sheeping him on Stan or explaining why you townread Stan. You saying "these two needs to get resolved" seems noncommittal and passive and I'm frankly not sure that it comes from you as town.

What do you think of or, Alonzo?

Have we played before?

[Alonzo]

I'll tell you what happened
1) i asked FL a question
2) FL spent 4 pages changing the subject, misrepping me, changing his reads on me, lying, stalling, all to avoid it and now he just flat out refuses to answer

I'd re read it again but im scared.

[Alonzo]

I think that if you were town you would feel like you have some sort of read on Flavor Leaf, one way or the other, and that you would either be sheeping him on Stan or explaining why you townread Stan. You saying "these two needs to get resolved" seems noncommittal and passive and I'm frankly not sure that it comes from you as town.

What do you think of or, Alonzo?

Have we played before?

I think I got it.

[Alonzo]

I lost it.

[Alonzo]

I'm thinking 737

[Alonzo]

Hi

[Alonzo]

Do I know you ?!

[Alonzo]

I'v seen silence of the lambs once or twice

[Alonzo]

VOTE: joges

[Alonzo]

We are waiting for you to reply to TTTTs push on you, and waiting to hear Weisz flesh out their air push on me...

[Alonzo]

Scum usually have a mix of townie things sprinkled in behind a scum agenda because they’re trying to appear town.

this is exactly my case on him though. he started doing a catchup because other people were doing catchups, but then his catchup... just stopped... going nowhere

like he was trying to get some towncred, it didn't seem to be working, so he just stopped scumhunting

that is what scum does.

Wierd, it's almost like I joined at the same time as others did...

[Alonzo]

And then stopped because I had finished re reading...

[Alonzo]

Maybe but I don't think someone with the avatar of THE Alonzo Harris is capable of this level of apathy as town

OK... Your purcocet right?

[Alonzo]

In our last game together you really grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck, but you seem slightly more reserved here so far

[Alonzo]

Because I'm short of bona-fide town reads

[Alonzo]

I might wanna lynch Alonzo over joges
let me think about that...

Dont believe the hype, you'l be underwhelmed.

[Alonzo]

I'm gonna break out the reads tomorrow so everyone can stop pulling my chain.

Still voting for Joges tho.

[Alonzo]

Just assume the scum are Alozon, Mumble and Ruby Red.

ok I can work with this
UNVOTE:

See this is pretty far from your town meta as I understand it TTTT

[Alonzo]

Getting to this after work in a few hours

[Alonzo]

Looks like there are those among us who don't want to hear my reads....

[Alonzo]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78044

This was my other game with TTTT, where in my opinion he was alot more forthcoming and solvey than in this one. Its all I have.

Still expect that Stanley is town based on my D1 read and todays back n forth with FL.

Not entirely sure how to feel about flavour in this one, his appeal to meta is inline with town here, but I dont recall this much gaslighting in our previous game(s).

After hard townreading Percivul, Creature seems dead set on undoing all that with his erratic play today. Perhaps percival was playing TGTBT scum, and creature cant back that up? Not feeling Town! Creature at all here.

Bizzarely weiss you are actually a pretty decent townread for me despite your buggin, although Im judging you a bit by previous with purrcocet when I make that read.

Joges is my strongest scumlean. The art of pushing without pushing is strong in this one. Still dont recall his reasons for wanting my lynch but I'm sure hes been re enforcing them since his push on me began..

Jibril has flitted about, dont have a strong read on them personally and not played with them before so will need time to backread some of their games to see if all this daddy shit is normal for them.

Null on or.

Slight scumlean On RR whos gone awol after pushing the mislynch yesterday.

[Alonzo]

I can only apologize for IRL busyness, have been modding a game offsite for new players with a jillion questions. that game finished earlier, Im all yours moving ahead.

[Alonzo]

VC PLZ MOD

[Alonzo]

What does flitted about mean? How have I done it?

Just following on the vote mainly. I don't see how creature is conf town to you? He's weakened that slot FMPOV

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo - to be fair, i don’t think I’ve been gaslighting. Some people think it’s me because I go after them so literal, and they word things incorrectly.

It’s my classic Third Degree Boon.

I have been seeing TTTT as scummy, yes, but I feel it’s by design, so i’m willing to let the pass for the day.

Scummy by design? You think TTTT gambits here?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Or

I need it spelled out

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Or

I need it spelled out

O.R.
I.S.
T.O.W.N.

So vote joges with me?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: joges

[Alonzo]

L-1?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: RR

[Alonzo]

[Alonzo]

agree

[Alonzo]

Chilled out on that Stanley read?

[Alonzo]

Hello Joges

[Alonzo]

I think Roleclaim is probably the best way to go.

Im a town roleblocker, N1 I rbd Creature, Last night I roleblocked Weiss.

[Alonzo]

Told you weiss was town
VOTE: alonzo

your gonna believe the rolecop who scans dead people? over me?

I can believe its Weiss, Creature and Stan til proven otherwise.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Weiss

[Alonzo]

Lynch Weiss, Joges wants the bounty on my head.

[Alonzo]

This is cut and dry.

I revealed to give maximum discussion time on the solve.

I blocked Weiss cos I didn't want to be embarrassed by a backstab after giving the town lean, and in the presence of a night one kill didn't think creature was a viable block.

[Alonzo]

WHEN I flip town, you will see it can only really be Creature, Weiss plus one.

Im thinking Weiss is the goon, creature the scum PR hence why they moved so fast to counterclaim...

[Alonzo]

The only way alonzo is town is if the scum team is weiss, creature and ssbm. Not likely

Show me your working out here...

[Alonzo]

VOTE: CREATURE

We need to push creature for info here

[Alonzo]

I feel like their original plan was to take an Isolated FlavourLeaf to the end, but joges put a spanner in their works, hence the total overreaction to my claim now they need someone new to push

[Alonzo]

Looks like they bought the counterclaim
You two should be able to clear up from here.

[Alonzo]

Ooops

[Alonzo]

Scum? I'm the vig

[Alonzo]

There is only one good movie...

[Alonzo]

Man Alonzo is fun as scum lol

I've never actually played against his scum before this is great

The wait continues...

[Alonzo]

You tell em, I'm busy.

[Alonzo]

Dont claim PR or she might dab on you..

Weiss is all knowing... remember that.

I think they're buying it..

[Alonzo]

I will tell you who is scummy.

Creature.

I mean lurk much?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: JOGES

[Alonzo]

Remember joges, shoot or or its game over....

[Alonzo]

Hardclaiming innocent child.

GG town.

Apologies to my team, I dropped the ball with that claim