Prey Mafia - Game Over

[Chara]

i like "lack of towniness" pushes but they're only good in the absence of someone scummier and with the presence of a solid PoE of townreads. if we're playing the comparison game redtea wins every time. if someone has a good towncase for her (my fault if i missed it, i did skim) i'd appreciate being directed to it.

Zito's towncase for redtea also applies to Robert continuing to vanity vote mcqueen, so i don't see why redtea is townier for that.

[Chara]

Also I refuse to allow a redtea push as much as it is in my power, because she is my strongest town read.

and this is why you're townish, and also why i don't think our conversation is going to get anybody anywhere, as i really disagree on redtea being a strong townread.

i also hard disagree on Robert not being emotional. if you don't see it there's nothing i can do.

[skitter30]

based on what redtea's said in this thread i don't see how she's garnering townreads rn
i don't know what she's said in the pt because i'm not in it so i can't really use that as a basis for figuring out who to lynch today

[Chara]

would it be better if i clarified that by emotional i don't mean he's screaming at anyone, i mean that i can see a human with opinions and attitude that is just posting those things.

[Enter]

Also I refuse to allow a redtea push as much as it is in my power, because she is my strongest town read.

and this is why you're townish, and also why i don't think our conversation is going to get anybody anywhere, as i really disagree on redtea being a strong townread.

i also hard disagree on Robert not being emotional. if you don't see it there's nothing i can do.

Yeah, alright. :/

would it be better if i clarified that by emotional i don't mean he's screaming at anyone, i mean that i can see a human with opinions and attitude that is just posting those things.

I'm bad with emotions so that should be noted, but yes, this helps? I don't disagree as strongly, I guess.

[Chara]

Enter's back in my townlist.

[Papa Zito]

Can you give me the redtea case in your own words please?

not a townread, and lower than a nullread. counter to a wagon i think is town. soft stances that don't commit and soft support of the Robert wagon.

So "counter to a wagon i think is town" and "soft support of the Robert wagon" both depend on the alignment of an unflipped player with no investigation. These are completely invalid.

"Soft stances that don't commit" is Robert's bread and butter:

I mainly have 3 town reads atm. Implosion, a slight A50 town read, only cause he is half crazy, and elbirn.

BEF is mainly null, along with skitter and Redtea. Chara is also hard to read earleir I would of said town but I can't commit to it anymore. So she moves back down to null though if I had to go by gut, if I had to take a stance, very slight scum.

Enter is slight scum read for over eagerness. Papa for not paying attention, and mcqueen for policy and mainly spamming.

Varsoon is to hard to read to say any read on, in one sense I've found his posts a bit more helpful but at the same time I feel our reads are entirely different and wondering if maybe his posting is messing with me like A50 dose.

Is that seriously it?

[Papa Zito]

but if he's town you've basically spent the last few days corraling votes onto lynchbait who didn't actually do anything scummy while contributing to the resistance of a wagon on someone who actually *has* been scummy; i said this already but i find pushing someone day1 for 'lack of towniness' (ie as opposed to pushing someone for being actively scummy) to be incredibly suspect and how scum garner mislynches

so how i read you is kinda flip-dependant

fascinating

[Chara]

So "counter to a wagon i think is town" and "soft support of the Robert wagon" both depend on the alignment of an unflipped player with no investigation. These are completely invalid.

we have two options for lynch and less than 24 hours. are you suggesting i should be voting Robert, who i townread, instead of redtea?
"soft support" is completely valid because it's not committing to the Robert scumread.

considering your own reason for lynching Robert is "not being town", are you in any position to be saying 'is that really it'?

[Chara]

i'm trying not to be immediately dismissive but i'm not seeing how your reason for townreading redtea doesn't also apply to Robert. neither of them are scumreading each other, but redtea is actually being more supportive of her counterwagon's existence than Robert, who doesn't seem to care, so i don't know why you townread redtea for it exclusively.

[Chara]

oh and i'd missed your question. kingdom hearts iii is amazing.

[Varsoon]

I always felt like combat in kingdom hearts was super janky
and I'm not really a disney fan and
The anime stuff is kinda convoluted and not really appealing to me
Aint my game sadly

[implosion]

1. redtea sees she is the leading wagon
2. redtea sees a counterwagon on Robert
3. redtea sees that deadline is very close
4. redtea sees several players off wagon claiming they will hammer at deadline
5. Therefore, redtea comes up with the perfect plan of starting a new wagon, and then promptly fails to push it, ensuring it will fail.
6. After noting that she thought the wagon wasn't actually new, she leaves her vote there anyway.

And these are the moves of a scum player seeking a townie mislynch/her own survival. Is that correct?

I don't think this argument holds water. I think starting a new wagon in that situation is poor play as scum; I also think it's poor play as town. I think that a lack of survivalism is a towntell in the context where someone is doing something that will actively draw ire where there was none to begin with, e.g., someone near the middle of peoples' reads suddenly and aggressively tunnels a consensus townread. But this is not that. redtea voting a vanity wagon makes plenty of sense as scum who is demotivated to really engage with the game after being wagoned.

Robert's mcqueen vote is a much better example of something that has much less scum motivation than town motivation; at the moment he voted mcqueen, the wagons were 3-3-2, redtea-elbirn-robert. He was in a position where, if he's scum, his primary motivation is probably to just lay low as much as possible and give as much chance as possible for his wagon to fizzle. redtea was the leading wagon when she voted Persivul, and she hadn't posted in 2.5 days... which fits in much better with the idea of her being scum who became apathetic after being wagoned.

I'll vote Robert tonight if it's clear I need to to avoid NL but I probably won't be on at deadline. I might be but it's unlikely.

[implosion]

I guess chara already made that argument more succinctly but etc

[skitter30]

but if he's town you've basically spent the last few days corraling votes onto lynchbait who didn't actually do anything scummy while contributing to the resistance of a wagon on someone who actually *has* been scummy; i said this already but i find pushing someone day1 for 'lack of towniness' (ie as opposed to pushing someone for being actively scummy) to be incredibly suspect and how scum garner mislynches

so how i read you is kinda flip-dependant

fascinating

idk what you're saying with this

==

i still really really really much prefer redtea

[implosion]

So people sure are clamoring to make sure there's a lynch huh

[redtea]

This is ignoring just about everything else at the moment but:
If the "giver of abilities" is town, I'd hazard to say a lynch isn't strictly necessary, depending on how many people have confidence in this being between T/S (or S/S) and about how helpful the ability would be (in general and in the context of a forgone lynch).
And if the ability isn't used today/night, then it's worth remembering for a future day.
...Unless there's a third party, where of course NL is a terrible idea.

At any rate, a few are probably holding out. The air smells bloody.

[redtea]

@redtea:

in you r recent post, you sound like you're scumreading robert
given that he's your cw i'm not entirely following why you don't just vote him instead of voting persivul?
there's like less than two days left, do you think a persivul wagon is viable rn?

and if you think persivul might be bussing robert why aren't you voting robert ... ?

The focus was on Persivul, and that he looked scummy whether or not robert is scum. A robert vote was irrelevant.
I think you had something else directed at me earlier but I'm having trouble finding it, or remembering wrong.

[skitter30]

yes but persivul isn't getting lynched today so i don't get why you're voting there rn ....

if a hammer hasn't happened before i wake up i'll vote whichever wagon is larger

[implosion]

i really don't want robert though :\

[skitter30]

i mean i'll switch back (which will make it 5:4 towards redtea) but i don't think there are two more votes for redtea rn

(and again the mysterious resistance to redtea given the fact that she only has like 3 townreads is really freaking weird)

[Persivul]

VOTE: redtea

[Persivul]

5 hours 40 minutes. Just sayin'...

[Persivul]

i mean i'll switch back (which will make it 5:4 towards redtea) but i don't think there are two more votes for redtea rn

You switch back, that will make it L-1 for redtea. Surely someone will hammer before deadline.

[Enter]

Bad Lynch > No Lynch > Very Bad Lynch.

Redtea is a Very Bad Lynch. Allow me to say what I know if you put her at L-1.