Mini Normal 2053 [Completed]

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should have time to read this sometime tomorrow afternoon

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working through first six pages



reference for my convenience

Spoiler:

Living Players

Alonzo

Bittersweet

Emperor flippyNips*
TTTT
Ruby Red

214chrnor*

Slaxx

Thespio

Mumble
Flavor Leaf
stan1ey
or
joges
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Saudade*

Creature

Persivul

Jibril

rb

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Not worried at all, I had faith in the heart of the cards

slight townlean

why is joges still alive after scumclaiming

obvscum still alive

sigh..

im going to bed

when i wake up joges should be lynched

could lynch this

Come on dude, that should have been

I hope you're disappointed...like your SO was last night

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glad this part of the player list (persivul+rb) replaced out tbh

wow wagons are fun imo VOTE: TTTTT

if im lynched, dont lynch thespio

lynch or/joges/TTTT

thx 4 asking

wow just stating facts imo

slot still looks like a good lynch

rb wagon that reached l1 was majority town, pretty sure

doesn't mean rb is lockscum but I definitely would have been on his wagon in first 5 pages

Day 1 Votecount 1

rb (4):

or, stan1ey, Thespio, Saudade

TTTT (3):

Emperor flippyNips, Mumble, rb

joges (1):

TTTT

or (1):

Bittersweet

Not Voting (4):

214chrnor, joges, Persivul, Flavor Leaf

There are (expired on 2019-01-19 20:00:00) remaining.

at least 2 town in or, stanley, and thespio. Thespio probably town. If there's scum on TTTT I'd guess Mumble or rb. Maybe 1 scum in the non-voters, if activity is indicative then it would be 214 here. Bittersweet looks like a priority sort for the gamestate to be readable

game solved

CONFSCUM
Bittersweet
Emperor flippyNips
214chrnor*
Thespio
Mumble
Flavor Leaf
stan1ey
or
joges
Saudade
Persivul
rb
CONFTOWN

Mumble's too high, rb too low, flippy probably too high, not feeling too bad about this list tho for page 6.

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The fact so many people were on him makes me feel scummsaw an opportunity to get a high profile mislynch or at the very least hatchet him early.

Doubt

Scum aren't trying to get a lynch this early. That mostly happened because people don't pay attention to vote counts this early.

Strong point, not sure it makes Pers locktown but he is making way more sense than FL here

sup

mumble town, flippy probtown, rb probtown is what i've got so far

how is mumble town by page 7?

UNVOTE:

townread weakening

my poe rn is {Bittersweet, TTTT, thespio, stan1ey}

flavor can move in or out, same with joges maybe

hard changing wagons

VOTE: Thespio

i've decided. this lynches a wolf one hundred percent of the time.

i read into his soul. i saw his scum role pm.

don't really see why Thespio is scum by page 8

i like FL for town right now

or might be town (doesn't mean he's right but I can see why he'd be reading FL this way as town at this point)

yeah I'm getting nothing from this exchange

There's not really much to go off of, but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf and rb being town.

interesting difference in reactions, I kinda feel more for TTTT here. I might see why Bittersweet swings toward T/T because I partly can see why the frustration for rb might be seen as townie and some of FL's thought processes might be seen as townie, but I don't know that it really is T/T, I have doubts about both slots after this exchange and saying "t/t" seems like it might be an off reaction honestly... slight chance of Bittersweet TMI? idk need to see more

this needs to stop before it stats

everyone please stop being distracted by the dangling, shiny keys that is flavor leaf being weird and doing weird shit

direct your gaze towards thespio being scum that will coast by if you don't listen to me

don't like this sort of response regardless of alignment

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Spoiler:

but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf...being town.

Why? I struggle to understand how you actually got something AI for FL from that interaction.

"Always" fits fine with what Ruby was saying. You're a bit of a pedant.

Do you think Ruby scum reading Thespio because he misread what he wrote is fair?

Wasn't Ruby scum reading him prior to that? Thespio's response maybe strengthened it? Given this

i will scream this shit down if need be. one hundred percent confident.

Not sure why it was misunderstood at all. It was obvious a reference to certainty in this game.

Also, not sure why you commented for Thespio instead of letting him respond.

Mumble town on page 13 I can see

Hmm, so sheep put a replacement request for Persivul, but not Rb.

Interesting. Rb must have said something to Sheep, but not posted, or Sheep just missed it.

I kinda don't get why you were looking for this?

VOTE: Thespio

but why

Hello

pocketed.

starting to think I should have read this game before deciding to replace in...

VOTE: or

but why

What's POE stand for on this site? I always have seen it as POI (Person of Interest), but POE?

joges maybe town

Flippynips posted!

Possibly town... =)

I wonder if Alonzo is scum this game?

Slaxx (3):

Ruby Red, TTTT, Mumble

probably 1 scum in RR/TTTT regardless of Slaxx flip

Interesting opening so far..

Think Flippynips is likely town based on postcount.
TTTT possibly too, tho not as strongly as our last game, but it's still early.

Flavour bothers me with his smugness... Bottom of the pile so far for me.

Alonzo maybe scum

Okay... Creature/Ruby/Or/Jibril town
Mumble TTT maybe town
Suadade Bittersweet need more pressure
Stan1ey scum

Whoever I missed is null

why is ruby town

I'm not strongly tring slaxx, not sure he's lockscum, I'll need to reread that slot in iso with the predecessor probably, even though I still think the wagon on him had scum regardless of his flip color

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Need to figure out RR (214) v Slaxx (Thespio). I liked Thespio for town early for the exact reasons that RR seems to sr the slot so worth working through her case on page 20.

Could vote Alonzo at this point but I will finish getting caught up later tonight and then go back through some isos.

Joges/Mumble town, Pers/Creature certainly made a lot of sense at various parts, not strong town there yet but thinking a leantown.

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my readslist was just the playerlist from post 0
I even left the * in there indicating 214chrnor's prod

I want to say I would have gotten this if four of the names weren't different by this point

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Thespio was a frozen wolf who just wasn't playing his scumgame.

ok let's see

Games from 2018:

Vanilla Town -- reads list on page 11, scattered pushes and cases about once every 2 days before that

Vanilla Town -- starts with a broken tag self-vote, colored list on page 9

Vanilla Town (replacing in) -- kind of blah iso until 1v1 on page 13, somewhat involved game but not a lot of organized lists or thoughts at a glance

Going to ignore the games from before 2018

I think I can see why Ruby would push here given that Thespio never really got into this game in the way that he does for the others. So I agree that he was outside his meta. But that doesn't in and of itself make him scum, to be honest, particularly coming off the holidays.

Now, I don't actually like Slaxx that much, though. But this is helping me understand Ruby's push a lot better.

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Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?

why is it "can we meta him"... just read him lol wtf Flavor?

thank you FL
you have restored my memory!

I skimmed some of his ISOs from recent games (he's never been scum on MS btw)
and they looked NOTHING like this game

this post sounds weird af

VOTE: Stan1ey

y?

Kinda TR Rubys hard pushing feel like that comes from town them in my experience.

is this coming from your experience with town ruby, or have you played with a passive scum ruby?

For the rest of page 1 I'll just say Emperor flippyNips and TTTT are town.

why TTTT?

I'm done and my conclusion is nothing.

VOTE: stan1ey

but... I feel like a lot of these naked votes just are not obvious to me at all in reasoning

Master said he is town, so he must be right.

I could lynch this (not saying it's lockscum, but I'd lynch anyone that calls rb 'master')

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alright I have read the thread, I'm still kinda processing it.

I guess the main thing for me right now is that I don't townread Stanley, but don't understand why any of the people on his wagon are on his wagon... are any of them explained? I need to go back and see if any explanation was given at any point

Like his wagon being unexplained doesn't make him town or the wagon all scum, but it does make me unable to conceptualize what is going on in the game right now

can someone nutshell what the case on stanley is, if there is a case?

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VOTE: or

I guess looking at stan1ey in iso, I don't know why he is currently on 'or' or what he is hoping to accomplish with his vote given he hasn't really pushed much in the way of arguments there

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Stan1ey as mafia PR

Mafia PT

VT -- replaced out

He has two other games as town, at a glance nothing (town or scum) looks like a close match for this game, he's super disengaged here and he is definitely capable of more as either alignment. I don't think meta will help with sorting this slot now that I've done it 0.o womp womp

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Spoiler:

Howdy!
VOTE: or

There's not really much to go off of, but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf and rb being town.

@mod

/replace out
Didn't realise my lack of time ahead of time.
Sorry!

Flippynips posted!

Possibly town... =)

Interesting opening so far..

Think Flippynips is likely town based on postcount.
TTTT possibly too, tho not as strongly as our last game, but it's still early.

Flavour bothers me with his smugness... Bottom of the pile so far for me.

UNVOTE:

Kinda TR Rubys hard pushing feel like that comes from town them in my experience.

How long is left?

tbh if I was to townread Alonzo for one post it would be "how long is left?" LOL

but this slot looks pretty scummy, I think both Bittersweet and Alonzo have pinged me in different ways -- Bittersweet with the FL/rb T/T read which seemed unwarranted, Alonzo with calling the opening "interesting" when... frankly it wasn't?

VOTE: Alonzo

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townie
joges / Mumble

townish
Creature (Persivul) -- maybe?town for reaction to rb fight

null-town
or -- think I liked one or two posts
Emperor flippyNips -- mostly entrance, kinda faded over time

null
TTTT -- kinda feel like this shouldn't be null given the number of posts, I'll try to look through Slaxx's argument here tomorrow I think. Kinda liked 269 a bit but not sure the timing of the Thespio/Slaxxx vote really made sense to me on my read

wait... Ruby Red is right.

VOTE: Thespio

-- this is before RR explained any part of the argument isn't it?

stan1ey -- why are you voting 'or'? why are you... basically not doing anything?

mixed feelings / war zone
{Ruby Red/214chrnor
Slaxx/Thespio} -- still processing the case here, I am not convinced atm that this is t/t but I'm gonna sleep on it. if it's not t/t I'm not sure what the correct next pairing is. I don't think it's s/s.
Flavor Leaf -- he's said some really ??? things so far but I'm not entirely sure they were scummy things, and I'm still thinking through the stan1ey vote

mixed-scummy
Jibril/rb -- mostly I just hate everything rb writes, while my dislike for the playstyle is at real risk of distorting my read, don't think I saw a reason to really townread here, I guess some people are tring jibril and they're welcome to explain why

scummy
Alonzo/Bittersweet

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Yeah, the mod lied to me when I asked if you had replaced back in so I think that made me a bit more confused

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why is Creature scum?

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what

I got wrapped up in some tinfoil for a minute there, sorry

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I miss rb, he's usually the best cohesion I have.

blasphemy

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If Ruby is RC, then obviously I'll be paranoid about him being scum, but his reads would be worth looking at.

I thought Ruby's main was a "she"? Although RC is Elizabeth Warren right now so maybe...

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@flippynips can you expand on why jibril is a townlean?

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He’s generally considered a heavy in any game he’s in.

Spoiler:

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opportunistic

Don't really see how it's opportunistic when there's 7 hours on the clock and you are at one vote lol

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VOTE: slaxx

I don't really get why you aren't voting stanley here? why would you vote someone whose alignment you know over someone whose alignment you don't?

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So am I deciding to compromise between Slaxx and Stanley?

Stanley is the LAL lynch that clears up or and joges votes for tomorrow
Slaxx sorts RR v. Slaxx and deals with the person who self-voted with 7 hours on clock

I will compromise on either of those over a NL but I'm not sure which is better/less worse at a glance

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Stanley is L-2 and Slaxx is L-3

Mumble is "channeling tchill"

Flippynips said both Slaxx and Stanley are either leanscum or possible scum

Creature has no reads

Alonzo hasn't said anything about Stan and backpedaled his scumread on Slaxx after he realized he forgot who was casing him

so basically... no one who is not on a main wagon has stated a preference for either of the current leading wagons

like right now it would help if Creature, Alonzo, Flippy, Mumble, etc. could just give any sort of read of Stan and Slaxx, even if it's just to reiterate what they have already said

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Like, I could understand a self-vote if you were the leading wagon and there was a real risk of no lynch

but I really don't get why you would self vote yourself to L-3 when there's a wagon on an unknown alignment at L-2

that's just weird

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How does my flip sort RR?

sorry, phrasing was wrong. it {resolves} your 1v1, in the sense that RR will have to focus on someone else tomorrow. Sometimes it can be bad to let 1v1s fester since they bog down the thread and create the risk of scum theater or town tunneling. You flipping green does not confred RR and that was not my intended implication, although I do think you flipping red would make RR a likely green

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I think we don't have the votes for a cfd but I agree that I'm not really optimistic that either of these flips red, and I also don't want us to no lynch so, kinda not sure what to do here.

What do you think of Flavor Leaf right now Slaxx?

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Part of me doesn't even want to move off Alonzo since he was doing that catchup and then... he just stopped and nothing came of it

like he wanted some towncred and then realized he was doing work and wasn't getting a LOT of towncred so he just gave up instead of continuing to try to solve

but I feel like I'm just not getting alonzo today given how many people have just stopped paying attention so

hmm

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Creature you're currently on Flavor Leaf, but that was where your predecessor left your vote... are you too indifferent about it to unvote or are you ok with your vote there?

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I'm actually okay with my vote there, I could also do RR.

you think alonzo's town?

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Spoiler: or on stan

Anyways VOTE: stanley

stan1ey - lean scum

I'm happy staying on stanley and i think he's still one of the potential lynches for today.

Spoiler: joges on stan

VOTE: stan

That's the first time Flavor has unvoted since their unvote of an RVS vote. I don't like the picture you wanted to paint here based on one instance. You didn't word it "It was really easy for you to unvote right now." You said:

Its very easy to persuade you to unvote

Which makes it sound like a thing that has been happening all game.

I'm still fine with my Stan vote, and would settle for Flavor.

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Spoiler: Flavor Leaf on Stan

Weird combination of passive arbiter/scavenger type staying on the edge of discussion without really taking any stances or producing original thoughts and content.

You're wrong but ill put you as town as nobody else is giving reasons for their reads

Wow, this looks like someone trying to get credit for a mislynch flipping town so hard.

VOTE: Stan1ey

Spoiler: Jibril on stan

Will you teach me how to play, Master?~

here's a start. type in

Code: Select all

[vote]stan1ey[/vote]

Thank you.

VOTE: stan1ey

Jibril terribad reads

Imanity
Ruby
Joges
Or
Slaxx
Mumble

Werebeast
Weiss (even humans aren't this slow, something is off)
Emporer
Tttt
Alonzo
Stan1ey
Creature

Kind of ordered

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So:
or is voting stan because {reasons}
Jibril is sheeping or.......? who has no {stated} reasons?
joges is voting stan because he didn't like stan's reaction to flavor leaf
flavor leaf is voting stan because of stan's reaction to slaxx (and also because "look at the shifts")

to be clear, none of these people have pushed stan very hard, and most of these people have barely mentioned stan before or after their vote

so, like, this is a kinda hard to compute wagon. I don't know this means stan flips green, but if he flips red I don't know how we'd sort busses from legitimate votes

I think I'd actually most like Jibril to expand on her reasons for stan out of these, although I find Flavor Leaf being kinda indifferent to the wagon he's on and more interested in waxing about RC kinda alarming, I feel like FL is not the type of player to kinda just chill on a leading wagon as town?

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LAL as in lynch all liars?

Oh sorry, wrong abbreviation. I guess there's nothing for "lynch all lurkers"

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Is this someone thinking like im thinking??

honestly I was just looking for the trajectories on you, and all 4 of them are kinda hard to compute

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there are some things in or's early game I could see coming from scum, but there's certain things he's done that kinda makes me lean town, particularly the development of his last read list

I do agree that he needs to actually explain the vote on you though stan

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Spoiler:

flippynipz i read town

Alonzo Bittersweet - null
actually downgrade flavorleaf to slightly lean scum for his ego posts that don't add any content and fills up the thread with junk

Creature Persivul - ? I've always had a hard time reading creature, but I was told that he's obv scum as time moves forward. lean scum on persivul. splitting hairs and replacing out doesn't make sense and is not justifyable in any sense. does P not like to roll scum?

Slaxx Thespio - I recall there's discussion on this slot.

i dont scum read this slot.

of course, this is all dojne in like 20 minutes so the quality of these reads wont be super high. But I'm happy staying on stanley and i think he's still one of the potential lynches for today.

So the thing I noticed here is actually just the timing; he started off with a kind of off-the-cuff list and then tried to fill in the holes. There's a ~5 minute gap between each of these little updates, which suggests he glanced at the iso and then typed out a response.

Now the easy way to mess up here for scum is for the timing to be too quick--like if it was under 2-3 minutes for each of these I think it'd be clear he was actually just making up reads for the sake of having reads

but with 5 minutes, it's a bit easier to believe he's really just trying to quickly skim through the iso and make a call, so if he's faking this progression he did a pretty good job of it, but I kinda believe it

pedit: can you expand on what about the list is terrible?

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I mean, the context of or's list was that both me and jibril had posted lists on the previous page and we were coming down into 24 hours, so him posting a list doesn't really feel like it's coming out of nowhere to me

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day apparently ends in 12 hours.
im heading on a 12 hour flight in an hour.
can someone give me the run down on the main wagon. i want to coalesce

also this

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Alonzo, who is scum?

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@Alonzo

I also thought it was weird that you attributed my push on you to Slaxx. Do you often forget who is pushing you as town?

What do you think of Stan's push on \or\ and activity here at the end of the day?

Also what's your read of FL?

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Was Bittersweet scum, Creature? If so, then the path is there

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norti

I feel like you like this, but... norti?

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Ruby Goon

Ruby Town

Ruby Town

Still not sure that Slaxx push is correct but I'm starting to think that in the 1v1 Ruby might be town at least

idk I'm going in circles, I still want Alonzo but it doesn't look like I'm getting him

Ruby is stan town?

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do you feel like you play differently as slaxx as you do on lolwagons? because you seem kinda more passive and wifomy here than you do as lolwagons, whereas as lolwagons you seem a lot more aggressive

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We could like try to atleast get a lynch.

slaxx or stan creature?

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VOTE: slaxx

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Are you voting him based on who had his slot last?

actually slaxx bothers me a little bit more than thespio

the self vote feels wifomy

but I'm also not sure either of the top two wagons flips scum

but I don't think we no lynch

as I said I don't know the path, I'm lowkey tunneled on alonzo and finding a compromise is leaving me feeling a bit adrift

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There are (expired on 2019-01-19 20:00:00) remaining.[/area]

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I'm a little drunk but I could maybe CFD TTTT if we had the bodies

but I don't know we have the bodies

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are you familiar with vengeful flippy?

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Or, joges, Alonzo, mumble. There’s 1 or 2 scum in there.

still don't really think it's mumble, kinda thinking of going back to Alonzo

do you think TTTT's brooklyn nine nine gif was a bit much at end of day?

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VOTE: or

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Spoiler:

I don't flip scum this game.

I like Slaxx and Ruby as town. I'm still fine with my Stan vote, and would settle for Flavor. Very interesting game with all these replace outs.

@Mod, can we get any extension on D1 with so many people replacing in?

why do you townread slaxx

Okay... Creature/Ruby/Or/Jibril town
Mumble TTT maybe town
Suadade Bittersweet need more pressure
Stan1ey scum

Whoever I missed is null

Because I'm town, and scum wouldn't forget a town player like this. They'd be sure to come up with something.

I don't see anything wrong with your current vote, Or. Have a fun trip.

what do you think of these posts, flavor?

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How do either of you feel about voting or?

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I think pushing the loud person who is posting a lot is NAI with maybe a slight chance of running in a town direction but not firmly. I just don't particularly want to lynch stan today since that was the hill slaxx chose to die on.

or seems like he doesn't want to engage or make any noise, he just wants the wagon to go to someone that isn't him. that's kinda the feeling I'm getting anyway

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Flavor Leaf, if you're a bit drunk, maybe wait to replace out until you sober up?

I mean I can't make you not replace out, but I feel like you would be better off sheeping me on or right now and just taking the rest of the night off from this thread.

But you do what you gotta do I guess

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Rb does have a tendency to replace out in rage as scum.

really? which games?

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This was the one you modded where he claimed team viewtopic.php?t=75496&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Subject: Mini Normal 1999: BooneyToonz VII - Join the Boonguard!

Yeah the team is me/2iam/NK

Too bad no daychat and u was working and couldnt change the NK, left instruction to NOT kill Dunker and 2iam decides to kill Dunker anyway.

do you remember the mod of the other one where he replaced out by any chance?

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Here it is: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71697

Cool thanks, I'll read context there tomorrow so I can see whether him flipping out in those games is at all similar to what he did here

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I think re need a resolution re flavour/Stanley. Gonna be a long ass game if we don't get that.

Does Alonzo write this post as town?

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I think that if you were town you would feel like you have some sort of read on Flavor Leaf, one way or the other, and that you would either be sheeping him on Stan or explaining why you townread Stan. You saying "these two needs to get resolved" seems noncommittal and passive and I'm frankly not sure that it comes from you as town.

What do you think of or, Alonzo?

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I only avoid questions as town.

but is he avoiding a question for you or fence sitting while pushing a non-committal lynch? like the way he presented it makes it so that he isn't spewing toward stan this dayphase that much

he feels sketch to me

@Ruby what do you think of Alonzo?

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Hey all just finished Mini 2046

true and rb was also in that game, do you have insight for us on that front?

Your iso is here: viewtopic.php?t=78012&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

At a very quick skim I notice that you posted 3 memes and it seems like you were having fun... are you more likely to have fun when town, and are you having fun this game?

Here's rb's iso: viewtopic.php?t=78012&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

He seems as annoying as he was here, but he didn't lose his cool as quickly. Maybe he keeps his cool better as scum, lately? I don't want to say that replacing out is town-indicative for him but the thought at least momentarily crossed my mind

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Well I don't know if this is fight material, but out of Alonzo, or, and TTTT, who should we definitely not lynch and who should we definitely lynch today?

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I was kinda thinking his unvoting and staying off wagon, for him, was maybe townie at end of day yesterday... not that it would be for everyone, but just off his playstyle I thought it might be.

But if he's just never going to do anything ever in this game I don't know what to do with his slot. Is he up for a prod yet?

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I'm not sure if I'm done with this or wagon yet, but I'd love to see you fight Alonzo and if it would help liven this game up I'd go there with you right now

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definitely not me. i have a town pm. thx

yeah joges has already gone this route and I'm not townreading you for this thanks

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Not sure how I feel about that slot right now. What's your read of joges, or?

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If you believe Creature is a better lynch today than Alonzo, can you expand on your reasoning why, in light of the current flips?

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Mumble Jan 10, 12:04pm Jan 17, 04:58pm

7 days 21 hours 28

@mod?

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Okay well let's do the thing

VOTE: Alonzo

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Do you townread Alonzo, stan?

Also, where the hell is everyone?

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Mumble has been in replacement queue for 2 days

@mod your scrubber missed Alonzo voting joges in 1101 -- which Alonzo didn't notice

like I know EVERYONE is apathetic but Alonzo is just active lurking here and pretty clearly checking nothing

let's lynch him today plz?

what do you say Flavour? I'm not super opposed to stan being scum but I feel like you should recognize Alonzo is not likely to be town here

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Maybe but I don't think someone with the avatar of THE Alonzo Harris is capable of this level of apathy as town

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Scum usually have a mix of townie things sprinkled in behind a scum agenda because they’re trying to appear town.

this is exactly my case on him though. he started doing a catchup because other people were doing catchups, but then his catchup... just stopped... going nowhere

like he was trying to get some towncred, it didn't seem to be working, so he just stopped scumhunting

that is what scum does.

[Weiss Schnee]

reread pages 28 to 29

and answer me this question

what is the point of Alonzo's posts?

why do they exist?

what do they contribute as town?

when you fail to answer those questions, vote him and lynch him today

[Weiss Schnee]

OK... Your purcocet right?

I wish I was that humorous, intelligent, and competent at mafia

sadly you're stuck with me instead

[Weiss Schnee]

Because I'm short of bona-fide town reads

yeah but when, as town, have you ever had no reads?

you have no reads

you did a catchup and you ended with no reads

who is ANYTHING?

[Weiss Schnee]

Still not feeling stan today, if no one is ever going to bite on Alonzo then fuck it

VOTE: or

is this the better compromise?

[Weiss Schnee]

why's that, TTTT?

[Weiss Schnee]

I mean I could also lynch TTTT but I'm kinda feeling or for now

I think Persivul was maybe town and I'm not really super into a Creature wagon atm

[Weiss Schnee]

Tbh no.

I gave you a fair amount of time to join on Alonzo...

[Weiss Schnee]

Yeah pretty much

I don't like being the one that opts for the compromise but I really don't want this to devolve into a no lynch disaster

[Weiss Schnee]

jibril want to join us on or?

stan, you can come too, I promise FL won't bite........ much

[Weiss Schnee]

There are (expired on 2019-01-31 21:00:00) remaining.[/area]

[Weiss Schnee]

I don't really wanna do Mumble today Creature

Guys we got a day left and I am gone for a significant chunk of tomorrow

What

are

we

doing?

[Weiss Schnee]

VOTE: Alonzo

[Weiss Schnee]

tomorrow

lynch all liars?

you're welcome to case TTTT tho I'm listening

[Weiss Schnee]

Could lynch your scummy TTTT, could lynch your null or, not really feeling joges but idk his slot is weird at this point

if you want one of those two you're going to have to make it happen though at this point, your "TTTT seems less solvy" is exactly how I feel about you and have felt for days

[Weiss Schnee]

My thoughts on Flavor Leaf are kinda complicated tbh, but I guess right now I'd rather have a dance-off with him for who to lynch rather than lynch him tho

[Weiss Schnee]

Maybe Creature's right and we should just lynch Mumble

like I think he's a mislynch and there's a decent chance a replacement could recuperate the slot

and there's the risk of him being unclaimed tpr

but I won't have time to evaluate the claims if this goes into tomorrow anyway because I'm gonna be busy so functionally if there's no l-1 tonight, everyone could be an unclaimed tpr if it's just going to be rushed lynch tomorrow

Main issue is I'm having a really hard time staying excited for thinking any one person in particular is scum

[Weiss Schnee]

anyone in the mood to lynch TTTT?

Feeling restless

VOTE: TTTT

[Weiss Schnee]

you don't think he's wking you?

[Weiss Schnee]

B
U
L
L
S
H
I
T

?

[Weiss Schnee]

Sorry I don't even scumread TTTT that hard but you basically set that one up for me

[Weiss Schnee]

UNVOTE:

I feel like I should spend a season locked in my room practicing my aura before returning to combat

[Weiss Schnee]

VOTE: ruby red

Almost voted this last night so feeling good with fl here

[Weiss Schnee]

Almost tempted to no lynch so vig can cycle to even night again but then or just dies.

To massclaim or not to massclaim... I think not to protect the vig?

But we do need to take claims probably at l-2 rather than l-1 since scum might just rush if we do run up the vig...

I want to push stan here but I'm very slightly worried he is the vig so I'm almost tempted to say the vig should just call the shot so we have two ics.

That would theoretically protect or altho I am not sure it is optimal.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Weiss Schnee]

Sup kyouko

What does the ssbm prefix refer to?

[Weiss Schnee]

Hmmm

[Weiss Schnee]

Jibril do you need a new master?

[Weiss Schnee]

I'm ok with creature claiming

[Weiss Schnee]

Let' not do more votes before claim plz

[Weiss Schnee]

2 votes on wrong person is l-gameloss

[Weiss Schnee]

We can't wait to make sure he's not the vig? Lol

[Weiss Schnee]

I mean he is clearly not but idk I'm okay getting a claim

I'd personally rather lynch whichever was not the vig out of joges and stan

[Weiss Schnee]

If or is not the mason tttt will have to explain some things in post

[Weiss Schnee]

What did you think of Persivul?

[Weiss Schnee]

I am not Maria but I am flattered by the comparison

[Weiss Schnee]

It's alonzo, creature and jibril

I think we lynch Alonzo today.

Yeah, Mumble is pretty much scum this game. He doesn't play like this as town.

would love to hear more on these lines of thought

But given you just incorrectly meta'd saudade I have some doubts about the mumble argument, but still want to hear you out

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And thoughts on jibril?

I don't remember rb ever ragequiting as scum and Jibril's selfvote is pretty towny.

didn't fl point to games where rb has self destructed as scum? There is a difference between outing your team and replacing out tho so not sure this is the answer

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I guess my this thought was that Mumble doesn't play like this as scum but I can say that for everyone except Alonzo tbh. I may need to read some more mumble games.

[Weiss Schnee]

so you argument is he posts more as town?

Lol how indicative has that been for you recently :p

[Weiss Schnee]

VOTE: alonzo.

This is now a 1v1 let's go

[Weiss Schnee]

My shitty fucking check on tttt was successful

Go me I also check flavor leaf n1 and knew he was vanilla

At least I knew that him fakeclaiming weak invest as vanilla made him town

Would have been convenient if joges didnt shoot fl here but meh

Rolecop btw

[Weiss Schnee]

Unless scum jailed/blocked alonzo ...?

guess we could start speccing nar order if alonzo wants an out here

UNVOTE:

Actually given masons vig rolecop we probably need to talk about scum power level but I've been thinking alonzo scum all game so my kneejerk here is that he just fucked up

[Weiss Schnee]

I think Roleclaim is probably the best way to go.

Im a town roleblocker, N1 I rbd Creature, Last night I roleblocked Weiss.

Can you explain reasoning on these choices?

[Weiss Schnee]

also why the fuck would scum block alonzo

No I'm like 80% plus on alonzo being scum here

Joges tttt and fl had all softed claims, lying or not

they believed tttt but didn't believe fl or joges?

[Weiss Schnee]

I think Roleclaim is probably the best way to go.

Im a town roleblocker, N1 I rbd Creature, Last night I roleblocked Weiss.

He posted 2 minutes before and then has no response to my cc

Idk if alonzo is the type to hardclaim and then leave the computer but I think there's a chance he's just bashing his face against his keyboard rn

[Weiss Schnee]

Stan what's your read of jibril btw?

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I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

Ive been trying to decide how ai this post is

I mean stan town explains why jibril as scum doesn't shoot fl right?

Still working this line of reasoning and im not sure you're town rn

[Weiss Schnee]

Lynch alonzo shoot jibril has my vote

Idk if joges is taking votes but thats what it is

[Weiss Schnee]

Joges doesn't have to say who he shoots but I would like 1 name he will NOT shoot so I don't cop whoever he shoots

[Weiss Schnee]

You think Alonzo is real TRB, he blocked Creature's NK n1, and then he was blocked by scum n2?

that requires Alonzo to have correctly chosen the killing scum N1... statistically I feel like that's pretty unlikely

but I guess it's also a question of why Alonzo claimed he rb'd me as scum when he didn't, when he was not being asked to claim

I was thinking maybe he thought I was VT and it was like a weird pocket attempt but it's a somewhat unusual play by scum tbh

but it still wouldn't explain why scum would RB him n2

[Weiss Schnee]

that requires Alonzo to have correctly chosen the killing scum N1... statistically I feel like that's pretty unlikely

altho I guess vs scum killing same target as vig it's not less likely?

[Weiss Schnee]

so scum have JK/rb, for {reasons} rb'd alonzo n2, and you think alonzo, as town rb, blocked creature's scum kill n1?

vis-a-vis you think Creature is the lynch today?

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no i think you can be scum loooking for a 1 v 1 which is actually a 2 v 1.

I guess I can see why you're paranoid but you're saying to me:

town power is 2 masons, every-night vig, every-night rolecop, every-night roleblocker
and scum have a {jailkeep/roleblocker} that hit alonzo and I guess {some investigative} to have targeted alonzo n1 to explain why he was blocked?

idk if that works but your theory requires a loooot of power

[Weiss Schnee]

out a power role if that power role is investigative and named creature/weiss
at the cost of his own lynch?
when there are already conf towns/prs out there?

seems like a stretch.

or he thought I was a VT and wanted to quasi-pocket me with a roleblock claim

why would he rb me when he said he thought I was likely town?

I'm not saying it totally makes sense but almost nothing about his play rn makes sense to me, and he seems uninterested in considering the likelihood he was rb'd so...

[Weiss Schnee]

Weiss Schnee - Rolecop
or -- mason
joges -- vig

Alonzo -- roleblocker

ssbm_Kyouko
stan1ey
Creature
Jibril

okay or

so I guess my question is how massclaim helps us given that there is no way anyone claims a rb on Alonzo here

that being said if you want to finish massclaim then you should say who starts these last 4 popcorns

[Weiss Schnee]

Joges can save mislynch from losing here with his vig shot, and if necessary we can massclaim tomorrow

if Alonzo flipped town PR then (to me) that confirms scum have a JK/RB who would then block joges for game loss

[Weiss Schnee]

still thinking alonzo just flips scum here tho

even if, tbh, I have doubts

[Weiss Schnee]

Alonzo in a weird position under pressure

Like this is a game that makes me think Alonzo is way off his normal town play here. There he is in a slot that had a pretty insane claim {informed that the person he hammered the previous day was town}, which was actually true--but Alonzo keeps pushing his reads and sorting anyway

Here he seems like he's half gone into anti-spew mode, half-given up, and has certainly stopped solving

So I think the simpler explanation here is correct -- Alonzo thought claiming town RB would get him towncred, he thought the major TPRs had already been outed since {masons+vig} is already a significant amount of town power, and he simply fucked up his scum fakeclaim.

Like if he flips scum here I don't say "man alonzo is bad at scum" I would say he made a reasonable mistake

that being said, it still raises the question why he thought he needed towncred when he was not, at that particular moment, under heaps of pressure

so I have questions here but I still maintain the main thing I've felt all game--this doesn't feel like town Alonzo

[Weiss Schnee]

I have doubts because we don't know what the scum power structure is and there's not a 0% chance there is a scum RB/JK that hit him n2

that requires a lot of setup spec tho and I think the simpler explanation of {Alonzo scum} still makes more sense

[Weiss Schnee]

This games pretty much over,

Stan is making me really nervous here lol

[Weiss Schnee]

Hmmm.

Alonzo isn't scum roleblocker.

If he was, I would have been blocked.

So, let's say Alonzo is scum. If he is scum, he is a goon, and he wanted to eat the lynch to protect the scum PR which would allow his team to block and kill Joges tonight.

So.

I know this is going to sound batshit insane probably

but what if we didn't lynch Alonzo?

we should still basically have a 50% chance of hitting scum -- there are 2 scum in stan, jibril, Creature, and Kyouko

can we strongly rule out any of those two?

jibril's willingness to seriously engage with the game seems wildly erratic which makes her very difficult to read

I very much would like to rule out Creature. I am thinking about his reluctance to claim, and I am not really sure I like it. He feels town on tone *other than that* but his fishiness on the claim really bothers me.

Mumble I wanted to say felt like wasn't really playing into his scum game, but I still probably need to read some of his other games tomorrow. Still would like Creature to expand on why he thought this wasn't Mumble's towngame.

But I think... I have totally forgotten why I wasn't scumreading stan.

I guess partly it's that 1486 and 1487 are not how I'm feeling about this game right now so that leaves me really spooked.

So, what if we lynched stan today? If he is scum, he has a chance of being the scum roleblocker, whereas Alonzo, if scum, is almost certainly goon.

Thoughts?

Stan -- if you are town, can you expand on why you are town?

[Weiss Schnee]

I just want to hear if anyone has a solve that does not include stan right now basically

[Weiss Schnee]

Mumble I wanted to say felt like wasn't really playing into his scum game, but I still probably need to read some of his other games tomorrow. Still would like Creature to expand on why he thought this wasn't Mumble's towngame.

I know you said something about post count but if you could point to the games you're thinking of that would really help

[Weiss Schnee]

Stan solve is: Alonzo, Jibril, {Kyouko or Creature} -- Stan, if you had decide between kyouko and Creature, which would you choose and why?

[Weiss Schnee]

I can believe its Weiss, Creature and Stan til proven otherwise.

Alonzo,I know you have me as a direct CC but let's pretend for a moment you were roleblocked. Scumteam is Creature (who you believe is mechanically caught scum due to d1), Stan, and which out of jibril and Kyouko?

[Weiss Schnee]

Maybe I'm really overthinking this because Alonzo's claim really is still quite bad

I should probably go to sleep

I'd still like to know if stan is a universal scumread and whether there is a consensus sort between {jibril, kyouko} or whether anyone believes both of them are likely scum

[Weiss Schnee]

Actually I'm wrong, if they have a roleblocker they can block joges to stop a kill and then kill weiss to stop you telling us your result....
Okay its a little harder than i originally thought to win but still lynching alonzo is best

OK, I think maybe you get why you kinda spooked me there then?

Also I reread your iso and you had no serious votes on scum until basically today so that's really concerning too

I think I need to just sit down and try to reprocess some of this game tomorrow some time

I'm kinda just going stream of consciousness tonight and I'm hoping that's not more distracting or unhelpful for town

[Weiss Schnee]

Or how do you feel about kyouko?

[Weiss Schnee]

I don't think scum targets Flippy for the NK.

why do you feel so strongly on this? Both me and FL were strongly TRing him, and I think he was very nearly a universal townread. I mean, clearly not universal, given joges, but... I don't really see why scum wouldn't shoot him?

I agree though that the way alonzo claimed has me kinda going in circles. But I just don't townread him outside of that. If he thinks he blocked a kill on Creature n1, why is he not thinking he was rb'd last night and instead is exclusively focusing on me? I just don't get any part of his thought process here, and I haven't gotten his thought process throughout the game.

I feel like at least one of the people enthusiastically pushing for his lynch would have to be a bus. The question is whether it isn't a bus, but instead a powerwolf blitz for win.

That's really why I want us to rule out some people if we can. Honestly I thought rereading Mumble's meta would make me say "this is town" so we can feel more strongly that there isn't a 3-man team outside of Alonzo but I actually did not find that to be the case looking back on some games.

Honestly I'm getting frustrated here though, Alonzo isn't spewing at all, so I am really tempted to just say we lynch there, get the flip, and then hope we have a better full solve tomorrow with some night actions.

I'm almost more waiting on Joges to tell me who I can rolecop. I don't want to gate him by more than one person so I'm pretty okay being leashed here.

[Weiss Schnee]

I mean, sure, but:
a) scum would not shoot FL if scum thought FL was lying (which seems likely given I thought FL was lying)
b) scum would not shoot FL if scum thought FL would be protected by a doctor
c) scum would not shoot FL if Stan was town and they knew FL would not have a guilty n1

So, given flippy was a near-consensus townread and unlikely to be protected, maybe they opted to kill him instead of FL?

[Weiss Schnee]

Also, flip exclusively voted town power roles. His reads were bad enough that scum might have killed him for negative d2 associations.

[Weiss Schnee]

This is kinda off topic but or does the person in the avatar for your main have a fancy hat?

[Weiss Schnee]

If we flip Alonzo and he flips green scum have a roleblocker and joges doesn't get a shot off.

That Alonzo is willing to get flipped at all here though does pretty strongly point to him being scum

[Weiss Schnee]

WHEN I flip town, you will see it can only really be Creature, Weiss plus one.

Im thinking Weiss is the goon, creature the scum PR hence why they moved so fast to counterclaim...

If this is fucking town Alonzo I will be really, really disappointed ngl

thank goodness it's not

[Weiss Schnee]

I'm fine checking Creature tonight

[Weiss Schnee]

Scum never kill Creature here, there's only one concern I would have had with checking Creature, and that is that if Joges was scumreading Creature then that would be forcing joges to make a 33% hitrate shot which is kinda rough

but tbh I think this is just the play anyway

[Weiss Schnee]

sorry weiss where does 33 come from?

If we lynch Alonzo, and he is town, game is over.

If we lynch Alonzo, and he is scum, there are two scum left.

If Joges thinks Creature is also scum, then we are forcing joges to hit the one scum out of {stanley, kyouko, jibril} = 33% shot

[Weiss Schnee]

Alonzo [2] -- Kyouko, Stan [l-3]

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch

that's where we're at right now right?

[Weiss Schnee]

Oh so you are

Alonzo [3] -- Kyouko, Alonzo, Stan [l-2]
With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch

Hey cool if jibril was on we could hammer test a Weiss + Jibril - Alonzo scumteam

[Weiss Schnee]

whoops lol

Alonzo [3] -- Kyouko, Creature, Stan [l-2]
With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch

also
Weiss [1] -- Alonz [l-4]

not voting: or, joges, jibril, Weiss

[Weiss Schnee]

What do you think of kyouko and stan, jibril?

[Weiss Schnee]

Why should joges vig stan over you, in your opinion?

[Weiss Schnee]

weiss, creature and ssbm

[Jibril, Creature, Kyouko] is a theoretical possibility from a Town-Stan POV, but we have eliminated:
[Weiss + Jibril] + 1 of {Kyouko/Creature/Stan}

[Weiss Schnee]

If you want, although I think or wanted me to rolecop Creature as a mechanical test. I don't see how there can be an issue with anyone else claiming.

[Weiss Schnee]

Well, Joges is the one taking the shot... unless you think he doesn't succeed, Creature?

[Weiss Schnee]

Guys I am starting to think Alonzo might be scum

[Weiss Schnee]

Alonzo you watch any good movies lately?

[Weiss Schnee]

Man Alonzo is fun as scum lol

I've never actually played against his scum before this is great

[Weiss Schnee]

Well go tell kyouko to stop lurking in the scum pt and we can move on

[Weiss Schnee]

Yes, claim VT or PR Kyouko

[Weiss Schnee]

[Weiss Schnee]

or she might dab on you

[Weiss Schnee]

Come on Creature join in the shitposting, how often do you get to hang out with Alonzo post scum-claim?

[Weiss Schnee]

Is it time, joges?

[Weiss Schnee]

VOTE: Alonzo

[Weiss Schnee]

So, how are you liking your new avatar?

It's really cute, what show is it from?

[Weiss Schnee]

So how we wanna do this Creature, want me to claim your number of shots first or full role?

[Weiss Schnee]

Oh shit I didn't rand 2-shot commuter

I'm thinking about it

What if I told you one of the two parts of this claim is a likely crumb and the other is wifom

does that make him more or less town?

[Weiss Schnee]

He's 2-shot, but not a commuter

let's start there

[Weiss Schnee]

I know how many shots he began the game with and his power

We will need to hear his night 1 target

[Weiss Schnee]

I'm trying to decide if there is any reason not to just finish claiming his role

I feel like I usually end up regretting it later

mostly it's potentially useful to know where people go before we start talking setup spec and mech

I'm worried a lot of discussion will focus on his night 1 action and we won't get a clear answer so it would be helpful if we get reads from people before I finish claiming his role

[Weiss Schnee]

Can you claim your n1?

[Weiss Schnee]

Creature how much do you remember from Children of Hurin?

[Weiss Schnee]

Can you claim your n1?

[Weiss Schnee]

That's weird

Well, at least, it implies that if you are town, that scum did in fact kill flippynips

[Weiss Schnee]

Alright whatever I'm just going to finish the claim, I know Creature doesn't prefer it but w/e we should just discuss in case I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Creature is a 2-shot Jailkeeper.

I think Roleclaim is probably the best way to go.

Im a town roleblocker, N1 I rbd Creature, Last night I roleblocked Weiss.

So we have to think about why Alonzo would claim this. He would therefore have to know he was roleblocked n1. But I see nothing in the setup post about scum being multitasking, and I see no reason that scum would opt for Alonzo to do the nightkill over performing his watching action. This means that if Creature is town, scum killed FlippyNips and actually double-killed him with Joges.

Obviously Alonzo knew he was roleblocked--and he would know that, the implication of that roleblock, would be that the roleblocker would think they prevented the scum kill n1, so he was going to come under pressure. Now, if on night 2, he saw your second jailkeep, then he would have a strong suspicion that you were the roleblocker and would want to pre-empt your n1 roleblock claim. That's like a pretty savvy move though.

WHEN I flip town, you will see it can only really be Creature, Weiss plus one.

Im thinking Weiss is the goon, creature the scum PR hence why they moved so fast to counterclaim...

The other thing that bothers me here is his tone. He seems tilted over me being 'fast' to counter-claim. So we can be certain that he did in fact plan to counter-claim you in particular and I guess planned on a 1v1 between you and him.

I guess your early posts do match this.

My main concern was that you were trying to play like Maria/Gamma in late Children of Hurin, precipitate a mechanical-crossclaim, and gain towncred. And partly the problem here is that I would feel slightly better this was not the case had you actually blocked the scum kill, but I don't see how we can conclude that from the evidence at hand.

*****THAT BEING SAID*****

This is just something on my mind and I am not at present arguing for a Creature lynch.

I just think it is worthwhile evaluating.

[Weiss Schnee]

I think the incoherence of Alonzo's claim makes slightly more sense if Creature is town but I'm not 100%

Like if this was a cross-claim Creature and Alonzo discussed beforehand, wouldn't Alonzo's targets have made more sense rather than if he'd just made them up on the spot?

Hmmm

[Weiss Schnee]

This would also imply, for Alonzo to know you were the roleblocker, the person you blocked n2 might have more scum equity as a potential scum pr

who did you block n2?

[Weiss Schnee]

although the chance of Creature scum after jibril's flip would mean both persivul and rb replaced out because... of theater?

wtf that would hurt my brain if it was the case

n2 result would be good still

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

no, it fucking

is not

. who in their right mind actually reads "yeah this person is always scum here" or "this person is always town here" as referring to the website and not

the game

?

People who understand the meaning of the word "always."

If you meant "definitely," it's not our fault you didn't actually say that.

no, it fucking

is not

. who in their right mind actually reads "yeah this person is always scum here" or "this person is always town here" as referring to the website and not

the game

?

People who understand the meaning of the word "always."

If you meant "definitely," it's not our fault you didn't actually say that.

"Always" fits fine with what Ruby was saying. You're a bit of a pedant.

"Always" fits fine with what Ruby was saying. You're a bit of a pedant.

Do you think Ruby scum reading Thespio because he misread what he wrote is fair?

wait no persivul replaced out because of ruby red/thespio interactions

I can see why people were scumreading stan for posts like 312 a bit easier now

[Weiss Schnee]

Jibril terribad reads

Imanity

Ruby
Joges
Or
Slaxx

Mumble

Werebeast

Weiss

(even humans aren't this slow, something is off)

Emporer
Tttt

Alonzo

Stan1ey
Creature

jibril replaced into a slot that explicitly open wolfed, where ever vote he cast is on a person who is now dead and flipped town

and in mylo yesterday she pushed stan who flavor leaf had presented as an obvious lynch, not thinking stan had been an inno

did jibril completely flip scripts and shift from open wolfing to bussing everyone on her team or did she leave mumble as a low clear?

[Weiss Schnee]

I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

is jibril bringing this up this w/w in mylo

what really bugged me here is I had just looked at that post and I thought that was the post where flavor leaf was fakesofting to back up his "weak invest" fakeclaim. Fucking flavor leaf and his weird plays

but what does jibril as scum do with that--she pushes a mislynch? or she uses it as a pretext to bus?

[Weiss Schnee]

hello
VOTE: rb

stan can you explain this rvs vote a bit more plz

[Weiss Schnee]

Creature if you thought Alonzo was scum why didn't you talk about him at all on d1?

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Bittersweet

But then TTTT votes Bittersweet. Seems rather obvious if scum is trying to get momentum going. Given the vote count is a few posts up why couldn't it be that joges just noticed where TTTT's vote was after he voted and then brought it up?

but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf...being town.

Why? I struggle to understand how you actually got something AI for FL from that interaction.

VOTE: Thespio

UNVOTE:

Couple pages to catch up on.

I kind of want to just channel Tchill for today...which is odd for me to think.

Kyouko, what do you think -- is this how Mumble distances d1?

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

VOTE: rb

I'll lynch him today just to be rid of the wow/imo

wow what's wrong with it

It's fucking annoying. You know that. We were in another game where it was an issue.

this town knows how to wagon

Wagons can be great for catching scum, BUT...if you announce that you're making wagons early just for the sake of making wagons, they lose their effectiveness.

by my count that's L-1

Flavor
or
stan
Thes
Pers
Saud

Is that L1 now?

Seriously?
UNVOTE:

is this how Persivul backs off rvs distancing....? prolly not

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There's actually a lot more to process with the rb/jibril flip than I anticipated

I'm probably leaning kyouko right now but I think I need to take a step back for a bit and hear what you guys think

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VC 1:

rb

(4):

or,

stan1ey,

Thespio, Saudade

TTTT (3): Emperor flippyNips

, Mumble,

rb

joges (1): TTTT

or (1)

:

Bittersweet

Not Voting (4):

214chrnor, joges,

Persivul,

Flavor Leaf

VC 2:

Bittersweet

(3): Mumble,

TTTT, Ruby Red

rb (3)

: stan1ey,

Thespio, Saudade

TTTT (2): Emperor flippyNips,

rb

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

or

(1):

Bittersweet

joges

(1): Persivul

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

VC3:

rb

(3): stan1ey,

Thespio, Saudade

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

Thespio (2): Ruby Red, TTTT

Flavor Leaf (2)

:

rb,

Persivul

Bittersweet

(1): Mumble

joges (1): Emperor flippyNips

or (1)

:

Bittersweet

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

VC 4:

Slaxx (3): Ruby Red, TTTT,

Mumble

Jibril

(2):

Saudade, Slaxx

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Jibril

, Creature

or

(2):

Alonzo

, stan1ey

joges

(1):

Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

VC5:

stan1ey (4):

or, joges, Flavor Leaf,

Jibril

Slaxx (3): Ruby Red, TTTT,

Mumble

Flavor Leaf

(1): Creature

or

(1): stan1ey

Jibril

(1):

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joges (1): Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (2):

Alonzo,

Slaxx

Need to figure a way to automate this 0.o

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[vote]stan1ey[/vote]

Thank you.

VOTE: stan1ey

I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

Tttt looked like a Werebeast, I would understand.

I think it's stan1ey, joges, creature.

so jibril replaced into a slot that had been open wolfing and then decided to continue open wolving but with different targets?

sorry these questions probably aren't helping I'm just basically thinking out loud

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VC 4:

Slaxx (3): Ruby Red, TTTT,

Mumble

Jibril

(2):

Saudade, Slaxx

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Jibril

, Creature

or

(2):

Alonzo

, stan1ey

joges

(1):

Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

stan strikes me as a "spread the scum" scum player so this one would surprise me a bit for stan scum

if we're looking at classic scum spread mumble looks bad here

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although it is an omgus? hmmm maybe not enough to clear, just a little surprising

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shit I've newpaged myself

I should stop for abit

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Kyouko if you're town you're going to have to show up to prevent your mislynch because your slot looks bad

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I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

Ive been trying to decide how ai this post is

I mean stan town explains why jibril as scum doesn't shoot fl right?

Still working this line of reasoning and im not sure you're town rn

I knew there was something else here

if we can locktown stan, despite his rather shit early game iso, I think we win with kyouko --> creature

sorry for the continued spam but I was just reread stuff and came across this thought and was like, damn, I like it still

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unless I somehow have it backward and jibril was just hoping FL would die on the stan check lol

that would suck

well that's why I'm spamming my thought process to see what you guys think

wish you all weren't asleep rn tho