Newbie 1912 [GAME COMPLETE]

[Thespio]

Except muh my fos was early day 2 now it’s day 3 I’ve developed my reads, you have not, in any way.

[RCEnigma]

I've been skimming but I have other obligations at the moment. Don't think I will be able to properly read though till tonight or tomorrow.

[MagikHorse]

You have this tendency of becoming another player's spokesperson.

If you remember earlier, I pointed out that this is essentially meta for me. Of course I could be faking that, but twice? Seems a bit risky as scum.

And not defend my case for why Thespio is scum? I know your his scum partner so it would be in your best interest that everybody believe his claim.

At this point you're making more of a mess than anything else. Enter has politely told you to stop confusing him with this sort of discussion. Now I am too.

All you're gonna be doing is talking yourselves in circles, just like Enter/Loop and Enter/Thespio before that. Neither of you are in a position to reconsider the other, so discussing things between you is just distracting riff-raff.

[Thespio]

I’ll be at my families estate tonight so I will be less active, just as a heads up

[Thespio]

Back.

[Nauci]

Vote Count 3.2

muh316 (2) -

Enter

1264

,

RCEnigma

(PvtUrist)

1288

,

MagikHorse 1289

,

RCEnigma

(PvtUrist)

1295

,

Thespio 1320

,

Enter

1361

Thespio (1) -

muh316 1328

RCEnigma

(PvtUrist)

(0) -

Munchmellow (0) -

MagikHorse (0) -

Enter

1300

Enter (0) -

UNVOTE/Not Voting (3) -

muh316

1263

,

RCEnigma

(PvtUrist)

1263

,

Munchmellow 1263

,

Thespio

1263

,

MagikHorse

1263

,

Enter

1263

,

Enter

1296

,

Enter

1306

,

RCEnigma

(PvtUrist)

1322

,

Enter 1367

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch or

3 votes to not lynch.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2019-02-08 16:00:00).

[Enter]

@mod it still says Night 2

[Enter]

@mod it still says Night 2

Ninja'd

[Thespio]

Soooo.... slow day, just on a personal level, i only work at my old firm for like 3 more days, should i just quit? im really bored.

[muh316]

Soooo.... slow day, just on a personal level, i only work at my old firm for like 3 more days, should i just quit? im really bored.

I don't know what industry you work in but for software engineers we try not to burn bridges when leaving a company. That way you can continue using them as a reference or go back to the old company if you need to. You also have to figure out how it's going to affect you in terms of getting your paycheck or any left over benefits.

[Thespio]

I don't know what industry you work in but for software engineers we try not to burn bridges when leaving a company. That way you can continue using them as a reference or go back to the old company if you need to. You also have to figure out how it's going to affect you in terms of getting your paycheck or any left over benefits.

Yeah, its brokerage work, the other firm made me an offer to leave, heavy payout and some nice benefits, the current firm is basically having me sit at a desk and do nothing, easy money I guess but also really boring. the pay and taxes line up nicely so i wont have any overlap.

[Thespio]

This is all really unrelated to the game im just on the verge of dying from boredom.

[RCEnigma]

Thoughts on:

Nightkill

So Skellen does make sense for the nightkill, no offense Enter but Skellen was less set in her game view. Therefore I think less likely to be pocketed at any point. Muh/munch would have been in a good spot from day 1 just on the strength that they agreed against Loop. At the end of the day I don't think it makes a ton of difference given the push on muh end of day.

Day start

This will be short, neither Thespio or Muh do themselves any favors. Thespio should come out of the gate if his check is guilty. Muh brought this weird hypothetical where he's town but Thespio is also tracker. Not outright but in an implied way that sent shivers up my spine.

I think it's still worth going back and looking at day 1 considering most of the day Thespio was the counterwagon to Loop.

I also don't want to get into Magik and munch too much because I also feel biased that I was right on my town/scumreads but Enter and I have been on different pages of the same book for awhile now.

Enter what do you think about the day 1 wagons and specifically the end of day wagons. I'm mostly interested in how you feel the composition plays out.

[Munchmellow]

Thespio is town tracker: Muh/munch is all that makes sense to me. But I think in that case he should have checked someone besides muh.

I am town, and even though I see why it would make sense to you, from my ppint of view, I have a hard time finding muh's partner if Thespio really is tracker.

So... you thought Thespio would claim Tracker since Day 2 and that's why you wanted to push him? Am I reading this right?

No, I was thinking Thespio's play D1 was only logical to me if he was VT, so a push on Thespio and him claiming would make me scumread him more. Claiming any PR, I wasn't even thinking specific PR's (kind of excluded doctor, because it would only make sense to heal Elements D1 and that didn't happen).

[Enter]

Thoughts on:

Nightkill

So Skellen does make sense for the nightkill, no offense Enter but Skellen was less set in her game view. Therefore I think less likely to be pocketed at any point. Muh/munch would have been in a good spot from day 1 just on the strength that they agreed against Loop. At the end of the day I don't think it makes a ton of difference given the push on muh end of day.

Day start

This will be short, neither Thespio or Muh do themselves any favors. Thespio should come out of the gate if his check is guilty. Muh brought this weird hypothetical where he's town but Thespio is also tracker. Not outright but in an implied way that sent shivers up my spine.

I think it's still worth going back and looking at day 1 considering most of the day Thespio was the counterwagon to Loop.

I also don't want to get into Magik and munch too much because I also feel biased that I was right on my town/scumreads but Enter and I have been on different pages of the same book for awhile now.

Enter what do you think about the day 1 wagons and specifically the end of day wagons. I'm mostly interested in how you feel the composition plays out.

Yeah I totally agree. I think I even said skellen was p obv kill.

I'll get to the wagons in a minute.

[Enter]

Something weird about day one wagons:

Thespio is one of the only two people to vote magik (it was when he was saying things about lurkers) but he calls Pvt scum (and there are other lurkers than MDb. Not super susp of this, but it's worth noting.(Lippmann is the other, don't wanna talk about him anymore)

Also magik is one of the three people to never vote thespio(muh didn't cuz he was following me on loopdan and loosen didn't... huh.)

The same three people that never voted thespio are also the only people to vote for muh. Not sure that's useful at all, but it's funny.

And no one voted munchmellow. Magik wasn't really around for Thespio wagon, so both of these scum teams were pretty relaxed during the big portion of the game

[Thespio]

Thoughts on:

Nightkill

So Skellen does make sense for the nightkill, no offense Enter but Skellen was less set in her game view. Therefore I think less likely to be pocketed at any point. Muh/munch would have been in a good spot from day 1 just on the strength that they agreed against Loop. At the end of the day I don't think it makes a ton of difference given the push on muh end of day.

Day start

This will be short, neither Thespio or Muh do themselves any favors. Thespio should come out of the gate if his check is guilty. Muh brought this weird hypothetical where he's town but Thespio is also tracker. Not outright but in an implied way that sent shivers up my spine.

I think it's still worth going back and looking at day 1 considering most of the day Thespio was the counterwagon to Loop.

I also don't want to get into Magik and munch too much because I also feel biased that I was right on my town/scumreads but Enter and I have been on different pages of the same book for awhile n.

Enter what do you think about the day 1 wagons and specifically the end of day wagons. I'm mostly interested in how you feel the composition plays out.

I disagree, if I wasn’t asked for a reveal I could have possibly made it another day I’m going to die regulardless now. I was inntially split but my strat was going to be watching Muhs interactions, hence my early posts, but when enter called me as a Pr I thought everyone must have picked up on it so I claimed.

[Thespio]

@Enter, you listed 3 people one of which flipped town, the two alive town read you. Meanwhile muh is on that list and it’s because they were to busy lynching a townie. Where are you at right now with muh and I?

[Thespio]

Thespio is town tracker: Muh/munch is all that makes sense to me. But I think in that case he should have checked someone besides muh.

I am town, and even though I see why it would make sense to you, from my ppint of view, I have a hard time finding muh's partner if Thespio really is tracker.

So... you thought Thespio would claim Tracker since Day 2 and that's why you wanted to push him? Am I reading this right?

No, I was thinking Thespio's play D1 was only logical to me if he was VT, so a push on Thespio and him claiming would make me scumread him more. Claiming any PR, I wasn't even thinking specific PR's (kind of excluded doctor, because it would only make sense to heal Elements D1 and that didn't happen).

What was the play here? If I’m town my logic about ratios stands, regardless of my role, if I’m scum then I?... get no cred and look scummy? Explain what impact you see this having.

[MagikHorse]

both of these scum teams were pretty relaxed during the big portion of the game

What exactly are you calling "the big portion of the game" here? If it's Day 1 in general, then I think the reason why would be pretty obvious.

I might have voted Thespio early in the game had I been there since it was the first really big oddity, but of course I wasn't ever going to so long after that fact or after mind melding twice in a short timespan regarding Muh and Elements. If you're town mind melding with someone like that multiple times in a row, odds are pretty darned good that you've found another townie, hence his constantly high presence among my townreads beyond that point.

Munch kinda just fell by the wayside once the whole Muh/Magik war started. Didn't help that RCE's case on Munch was hard to read in general either.

[Munchmellow]

What was the play here? If I’m town my logic about ratios stands, regardless of my role, if I’m scum then I?... get no cred and look scummy? Explain what impact you see this having.

So, you didn't mean it, when you said - I would rather you lynch me than no lynch? And what was that - I will vote myself etc. all about? Was there a purpose behind those self-sacrifocing posts?

[Thespio]

What was the play here? If I’m town my logic about ratios stands, regardless of my role, if I’m scum then I?... get no cred and look scummy? Explain what impact you see this having.

So, you didn't mean it, when you said - I would rather you lynch me than no lynch? And what was that - I will vote myself etc. all about? Was there a purpose behind those self-sacrifocing posts?

No I did, my logic on ratios stands, I’m just not sure what you thought I would gain as scum, at that point I was making sure we all could avoid a day like today.

[RCEnigma]

Something weird about day one wagons:

Thespio is one of the only two people to vote magik (it was when he was saying things about lurkers) but he calls Pvt scum (and there are other lurkers than MDb. Not super susp of this, but it's worth noting.(Lippmann is the other, don't wanna talk about him anymore)

Also magik is one of the three people to never vote thespio(muh didn't cuz he was following me on loopdan and loosen didn't... huh.)

The same three people that never voted thespio are also the only people to vote for muh. Not sure that's useful at all, but it's funny.

And no one voted munchmellow. Magik wasn't really around for Thespio wagon, so both of these scum teams were pretty relaxed during the big portion of the game

So the wagons at almost all times were 1 on 1 off regardless of which pairing you go with. The difference is munch/muh would have been passively letting town destroy itself. Thespio/Magik would have been posturing for town cred.

Which is why pushing Elements is weird from that angle. Even if Magik didn't have a change of heart on loop as long as they stall the game out Loop is lynched and they don't have to pursue the Lynch on elements.

Unless they are just openly rolefishing but the gamble on rolehunting with the nightkill isn't that high. And if there is a rolecop in play even less so because they get the night 1 check to go on presumably.

[Munchmellow]

No I did, my logic on ratios stands, I’m just not sure what you thought I would gain as scum, at that point I was making sure we all could avoid a day like today.

I don't get this logic. I could get it coming from VT, but a PR is much more important for town and saying it's better to lynch a PR than no lynch... no, I totally disagree and this is what it makes it hard for me to believe your claim.

[Thespio]

No I did, my logic on ratios stands, I’m just not sure what you thought I would gain as scum, at that point I was making sure we all could avoid a day like today.

I don't get this logic. I could get it coming from VT, but a PR is much more important for town and saying it's better to lynch a PR than no lynch... no, I totally disagree and this is what it makes it hard for me to believe your claim.

I mean I dont really care if you think it makes sense the logic is there, theres no guarantee I wouldnt have died except the fact that im not a universal town read, when it came down to it I didnt die D1, and I caught scum. Today with no CC it would be unwise to kill me, especially since the night will confirm my role, If you dont buy my claim who does that put next on the chopping block for you? Muh was the person you were supposed to kill yesterday, did something exclusively related to them cause you to start TR them? also, what happened with D2 lynch m8?