In post 81, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:This is my concern. NMSA could be faking newness for personal amusement (people can be weird like that), or they could be newbie scum attempting to misdirect other newbies with a fake vt claim.
For now, I'm content to accept the explanation that they provided.
concerned and content is an odd combination
i scum read and town read this post
it's townie to have multiple theories running through your head because incomplete information
but it's fence sitting and conflicting word choice which both feel scummy
In post 84, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:It's not impossible that NMSA cut the cheese, but you dealt it. Meaning you might have pointed out that his post reeked of scumminess so none of us bother looking at you.
So I only looked for scummines and called it out because I wanted people to look at other people not me?
In post 86, Elements wrote:I'm probably over analysing this, but it seems like you are actively searching for reasons to call me scum
I don't think that you're over analyzing this. It is almost a contrarian conclusion to come to
but i think it comes from town? I mean, she's just thrown shade at you and shade at TTTT and then immediately after about faces and posts
In post 86, Elements wrote:I'm probably over analysing this, but it seems like you are actively searching for reasons to call me scum
No, I'm not. Probably like you, I'm just attempting to shift the pieces into place and figure out who is who. I don't find you to be overly defensive and your accusation against NMSA was certainly a valid one.
so is her game plan to push you or to pocket you? and why is she working against whichever one of those goals she has decided upon?
It's not even fencesitting because the first post was a straight up scum read. I'm landing on paranoid town
In this spoiler, NMSA says
"hey there are people not posting, guys"
"Could you please give me a plausible reason so I can move my vote there?
"Thanks" *moves vote*
Spoiler: what is this progression?
In post 88, NotMySpamAccount wrote:So as far as I can tell, the only people posting are TTTT, Elements, MJL, and myself. According to wiki articles, this is bad for the town. I don't suppose there's any way to get other people talking?
If I didn't already think you were scum I might agree to this, simply because we need more info. As it is, I'm reluctant to switch. If you can give me a good reason to, I might.
In post 92, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:I would be fine with getting rid of someone who isn't posting. It'll give us some practice if nothing else. I haven't seen anything from Tall1s. Maybe we'll hit paydirt.
VOTE: Tall1s
In post 93, NotMySpamAccount wrote:MJL seems town, since she's making reasonable arguments. Outcome doesn't look threatening. If anyone else wants to get onboard with at least pressuring these people, now's your chance.
In post 109, MaryJoLisa2 wrote:Replying to Skitter here: I read town on everyone with a slight (very slight) scum lean on you. Sorry.
Elements didn't actually say anything that I didn't say as well. We both saw NMSA's post as LAMIST. I just pointed it out to see if he would become defensive. He did not.
throwing shade/paranoia at slot after slot
but town reads on everyone but skitter
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
wait i just realized the coaching thing can't be right for nmsa because there were only 8 minutes or something between the two posts - at least not in the way I was describing it
In post 559, u r a person 2 wrote:oh interesting
you used the same read on both of us
i wonder if this is ai one way or another
probably not?
not really a read
more trying to form a baseline of how much mafia experience you have; that's relevant to how i sort people
I was assuming that you were reading each of us as not likely to play this way as first time scum
then asking if we had ever played scum
then town reading us because we had not
In post 121, Salami wrote:NotMySpamAccount: Lynch-bait. If he really was an experienced player I doubt he would be stupid enough to make a first post drawing attention to himself like that, my gut is telling me he is genuine.
Elements: I think him throwing shade on Spam for his username was BS and opportunistic.
MaryJoLisa2: Don't vote for Tall1s it's a very bad lynch that gives almost no info to the town. The slot hasn't posted and will be replaced soon, leave it until then.
TTTT: He is trying to pocket MaryJo
skitter30: Agree with most of his points so far.
The others haven't posted enough for me to have any opinion
yeah there were only eight minutes in between the two posts, that's why they're townie imo
and uh no not really
i don't remember what i was thinking with elements at the time or why i asked that just then, i'll check the context again after i write this post
for you your slot was ~nullscum because of at least one person picking up a role pm and then flaking so i wanted to know if you had any scumgames that i would be able to compare this game too
aside from that, your catchup is pretty townie (you're picking up on a lot of things i noticed at the time; i kinda like that you're mirroring a thought process that i know to be town); asking for scumgames and thinking your catchup is lowkey townie aren't really related to each other
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
elements sounded pretty townie in his posts on ~ the third page and i was wondering how broad of a scumrange he had; i was thinking that in the absence of a strong-ish scumgame a lot of those posts probably came from town; they were fairly nuanced in a way that newbscum sometimes find hard to fake
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
In post 129, cbynumber wrote:I don't understand how it helps mafia at all if Elements thinks NMSA is mafia?
If you're not helping town, you're probably mafia. I think that is a fair assumption to make. The post is detrimental to town if NMSA is town so there's no reason to do it if they are town. If they are mafia they could be trying to build a wall of inexperience to hide behind - which if successful would help them
this whole thought process assumes that town acts rationally, which they don't
that said, you're pretty obv!town you're frustration, but continued explanations for that joke about NMSA's name grows with each time you're asked to explain, and not in a "im being properly scum read for a stupid reason" kind of way
In post 148, Elements wrote:The only may anyone can 100% know who the scum are on day if if they themselves are scum
Precisely. This is a newbie game. Salami is either an experienced player pretending to be a newbie (lynch all liars) https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _All_Liars, or he's an over-confident, inexperienced player. If the latter is true we should not be swayed by his untrained eye no matter how confident he appears.
Something doesn't feel right with Salami and I'm willing to put off suspicion on Elements until we get Salami figured out. If he's town, he'll leave a nice detailed explanation behind to tell us why we should lynch Elements next.
gosh tho this does feel like tmi
the town stuff feels further outside of a scum range than the scummy stuff feels outside of a town range so im pretty confident you are town, but it is discomforting to be pinged both ways
you might be scary with some games under your belt
In post 157, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Looking back at what has happened, Salami is probably just overconfident, but I'm leaning a bit scummy on him. I'll wait for TTTT to give his reasons before I vote though.
i understand this vibe. I had a similar thought, but I don't really think "he's omgusing me because I know he's scum" is outside of a newb scum range
