Newbie 1915: Africa [Game Over!]

[cbynumber]

Let me go re-read your posts on salami again

[u r a person 2]

If you're town reading bbmolla and TTTT, and you believe skitter is scum, then you might as well be saying that I'm skitter's partner. And if you're not saying that, you should be.

But I'm not scum, so I think you've got an issue somewhere in your reads

And I'm really thinking the problem is town!skitter.

great! so now you're caught up to where I was in this post.

what aren't you feeling?

[cbynumber]

He has a hard on for me because I know he is scum

Why thank you Elements, I actually agreed with several of your posts on the last page

ummmmmmmm

ummmmmmmm

oops, meant to say

scummmmmmm

Yeah, on second thought, let's hold off on l1 under tall1s' replacement starts posting.

@MJL even more reason not to lynch early. If we lynch someone now we learn nothing about tall1s' slot. We effectively go into day two with the addition of a new player.

Yeah, you're right UNVOTE: Elements

hold up
You were the only vote on elements
So why unvote? He was at no risk of being lynched
This is super lamist

Oh boy, the lynch might actually be salami, huh?
The way the tone of his posts have differed as the day has progressed rings forced as well, looking through his iso.
But scumSalami means that we have townSkitter, and nothing she has done independently has really given me reason to change my mind on her. It's pretty much all engagement with MaryJo and not much else outside of that. Trying to focus on MaryJo in order to conceal her buddy in the event she is lynched?

[cbynumber]

If you're town reading bbmolla and TTTT, and you believe skitter is scum, then you might as well be saying that I'm skitter's partner. And if you're not saying that, you should be.

But I'm not scum, so I think you've got an issue somewhere in your reads

And I'm really thinking the problem is town!skitter.

great! so now you're caught up to where I was in this post.

what aren't you feeling?

I'm not feeling you as scum (not saying I don't think you're capable of pulling it off, btw, just that the salami solution seems more plausible). But again, townskitter?

[cbynumber]

Like, am I just supposed to ignore all of her content in favour of a votecount with no confirmed flips?

[TTTT]

After reading through all of that, Here are my reads:

Elements: I can't tell from my gut, but maybe town?
Salami: After urap's stuff, I'm tending scum here.
cbynumber: Textwalls, scumhunting, probly town.
u r a person 2: Town as crap. Loads of scumhunting, loving it.
MaryJoLisa: Probably scum. Not enough content, just trying to defend herself.
BBmolla: Confusing. I kinda see the arguments coming out, but slowly. Gut leaning scum, but not much
TTTT: Lots of short posts, not a lot being said other than quick responses to questions. He's asking questions though, so null/town I guess.
skitter30: Textwalls galore, not sure if that's ai, but pretty much null. I just can't get any sort of gut read here at this point.

Would not lynch: urap, cby, myself
Would lynch: MJL, Salami, skitter
Not sure: elements, TTTT, BBmolla

VOTE: skitter30 because we're getting kinda close to the deadline and we need a lynch. I'm fine with this one, and most other people seem to be too.

your skitter read is null
but you put her in your "would lynch" pile and vote her?
instead of one of your two actual SR?
also your last sentence looks like scum trying to absolve from a mislynch

[TTTT]

we have two days left lets get salami to L-1

[Elements]

how're you feeling about the wagon you're on, elements?

I think you summed it up pretty well here:

this vote count feels like a town wagon on town that scum is watching

[Elements]

I can imagine a urap/skitter scum pair going on. If so then urap has played possibly the best game of mafia I've seen and I graciously accept defeat.
If skitter is scum, I can see a reason her buddy wouldn't be on the wagon at this point, but given the slow growth it doesn't seem like they are, leading to the conclusion that skitter is town. But that goes against my reads, although it is a possibility.
Salami's disappearance off the face of the earth is also strange. And given that he has been online since urap joined, I don't understand why he hasn't posted anything.
VOTE: Salami
I do now think this is the way to go

[Elements]

There was meant to be a bit between those two posts (which were meant to be one) but mobile posting is stupid so who knows where that's gone.

[Elements]

Yeah, on second thought, let's hold off on l1 under tall1s' replacement starts posting.

@MJL even more reason not to lynch early. If we lynch someone now we learn nothing about tall1s' slot. We effectively go into day two with the addition of a new player.

Yeah, you're right UNVOTE: Elements

hold up
You were the only vote on elements
So why unvote? He was at no risk of being lynched
This is super lamist

@cb did you see this? how is this town? He was the ONLY vote on elements

Thanks for bringing this back up. I'm ashamed I didn't notice it before.

[MaryJoLisa]

MaryJoLisa: Probably scum. Not enough content, just trying to defend herself.

I've contributed plenty of content. I found this handy tool at the bottom right of the screen. I have 118 points and I've been actively pushing for a Skitter lynch and providing reasoning for my thought process. Start with Post 330 and read on from there. If I've defended myself, it's probably more of an explanation as to what I'm thinking rather than an actual defense because I'm of the position that a lynch *any lynch* will provide town with the necessary context to move forward.

[u r a person 2]

Like, am I just supposed to ignore all of her content in favour of a votecount with no confirmed flips?

That's fair, and I get what you're saying about focusing on Maryj

i'll be honest I'll need help from another on this one.

the walls are a personality thing, right? She said so in this thread and it's super easy to confirm. she makes catchup walls asking tons of questions

she has engaged others, including myself. The difference seems to be that she a) scum reads mj and b) has had to work to get mj to answer questions which has probably increased the ratio of mj to non mj comments a bit

my read of the situation is based on the vote count and the feel/flow of the game >> the above

[u r a person 2]

i'll look again in a bit when im a lil more awake

[MaryJoLisa]

Like, am I just supposed to ignore all of her content in favour of a votecount with no confirmed flips?

That's fair, and I get what you're saying about focusing on Maryj

i'll be honest I'll need help from another on this one.

the walls are a personality thing, right? She said so in this thread and it's super easy to confirm. she makes catchup walls asking tons of questions

she has engaged others, including myself. The difference seems to be that she a) scum reads mj and b) has had to work to get mj to answer questions which has probably increased the ratio of mj to non mj comments a bit

my read of the situation is based on the vote count and the feel/flow of the game >> the above

I believe I have been answering her questions. I think she just doesn't like or accept the answers I provide. But I have been answering, and I have been providing what I think are lengthy responses that do actually address the questions she's asking.

Part of me thinks she's asking over and over to give the illusion that i'm not answering.

[u r a person 2]

okay so i reread skitter's iso

and in retrospect she makes a really good point about MJ not seeming to put differing weights on the different world's that she is theoretically weighing.

at minimum it's a good catch. also her progressions on elements, salami, and NMSA all seem townie
and read progressions are often the hardest part for scum


also CB is town

[u r a person 2]

Oh, damn it. I just tried to get you fast tracked through the system, Urap, but security has red-flagged you. As much as I like you, security hasn't yet cleared you to direct my vote. Apparently you "still could be Skitter's lost scum partner" if she's actually scum. Bah. Best to let the system do its thing then.

like what is this?

I'm supposedly her top town read
and salami is supposedly her top scum read
and skitter is supposedly pretty null

[cbynumber]

VOTE: Salami <--- This is L-1.

In addition to what's been posted above, I'm fine with moving my vote here because Salami's flip will give me a much better handle on whether to read skitter as town or scum. Whereas skitter's flip wouldn't be as helpful in ascertaining salami's alignment (except in the event that it's a skitter + urap scumteam, which I doubt)

[cbynumber]

I can imagine a urap/skitter scum pair going on. If so then urap has played possibly the best game of mafia I've seen and I graciously accept defeat.
If skitter is scum,

I can see a reason her buddy wouldn't be on the wagon at this point, but given the slow growth it doesn't seem like they are

, leading to the conclusion that skitter is town. But that goes against my reads, although it is a possibility.
Salami's disappearance off the face of the earth is also strange. And given that he has been online since urap joined, I don't understand why he hasn't posted anything.
VOTE: Salami
I do now think this is the way to go

I'm assuming there's a typo here. But if not, explain?

[u r a person 2]

make sure to give intent before hammering

also this slot is unfortunately drifting towards a replace out

[MaryJoLisa]

Wait, we're at the point of voting Salami out? I didn't piece that together. @Mod, is there an updated vote count for us?

[u r a person 2]

[4] Salami : u r a person 2 607, TTTT 660, Elements, cbynumber
[2] skitter30 : MaryJoLisa2 289, NotMySpamAccount 661
[1] MaryJoLisa2 : skitter30 411
[1] TTTT : Salami 317

[1] Not Voting : BBmolla 599

pretty sure this is accurate

[Elements]

I can imagine a urap/skitter scum pair going on. If so then urap has played possibly the best game of mafia I've seen and I graciously accept defeat.
If skitter is scum,

I can see a reason her buddy wouldn't be on the wagon at this point, but given the slow growth it doesn't seem like they are

, leading to the conclusion that skitter is town. But that goes against my reads, although it is a possibility.
Salami's disappearance off the face of the earth is also strange. And given that he has been online since urap joined, I don't understand why he hasn't posted anything.
VOTE: Salami
I do now think this is the way to go

I'm assuming there's a typo here. But if not, explain?

Typo "I can't see a reason"
Again, apologies for mobile posting

[MaryJoLisa]

So we've got 4 on Salami, we need 5. I'm the hold out, then correct? And if I change my vote, I'm supposed to state my intent to hammer?

Statement of intent to hammer:

I'm planning on pounding the Salami.

[u r a person 2]

You're one of 4 non-salami slots in the game not voting for salami at this time, yes.

The purpose of giving intent is to allow

1) people on the wagon to chime in if they have thoughts or want to reevaluate
2) Salami a chance to talk his way out of it and/or claim his role

So channel your inner ent and don't be hasty =)