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I pushed EJ yesterday for lying and being imo being anti-town. I have has much confidence as EJ being scum as anyone else seeing that we don't have a scum claim.In post 8015, Jingle wrote:
Wouldn't say I've pushed him yet, but he IS probably scum.In post 8012, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you guys pushing BEF?
He's pushing EJ for lying but seems to think EJ is town and he's pushing "Day Reps have scum" despite the Ramcius mislynch and multiple arguments about why that's not a helpful path to go down that he hasn't responded to.
Additionally, he's not attempted to sort anyone that I've seen today.
I have been sorting people but apparently that's not good enough for you because I look to the day reps for that info. I know the Ram thing backfired but I think there is something there. You don't have to believe me and follow my logic but you can't say I;m not trying to sort people.
Here are some mod posts specifically mentioning day rep info/mechanics so I don't say how anyone can not think scum is in there somewhere. There isn't a smoking gun but I think a picture is forming.
In post 2693, Boonskiies wrote:In post 2692, Gamma Emerald wrote:Don’t think this was ever askedIn post 2404, Boonskiies wrote:@Boon is this only able to make mafia the day rep or can town be selected as well?Scum can still be able to become a Day Rep without using that ability, however using the ability can let them pick one of their teammates to become automatically one of the Day Reps.In post 7408, Boonskiies wrote:In post 4563, the worst wrote:-
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I love how responding to an accusation that not sheeping nancy is antitown is 'inflating my epeen'.In post 8019, DrewVa wrote:Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen
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Wasn't about defending myself. I was acknowledging that I probably wasn't the person you were asking, and explaining why I'm interested in the lynch. And no, BEF didn't outright admit he thinks EJ is town. That is the conclusion I came to about him from reading his posts.Nero Cain wrote:
I didn't really name you as a BEF pusher so why did you feel the need to need to defend yourself? Also, you are saying that he's "prob scum" anyways so you are pushing him despite claiming that you aren't.In post 8015, Jingle wrote:Wouldn't say I've pushed him yet
I'll have to check to make sure but I don't think he's calling EJ town and I haven't played with BEF scum (at least I don't remember if I have) but doubling down on this day rep thing seems like something scum wouldn't do.In post 8015, Jingle wrote:He's pushing EJ for lying but seems to think EJ is town and he's pushing "Day Reps have scum" despite the Ramcius mislynch and multiple arguments about why that's not a helpful path to go down that he hasn't responded to.
I think its far more likely that scum are pushing BEF as opposed to BEF being scum.This is a Parachute.-
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Since day start you have done two things.In post 8028, BrightEyedFish wrote:I pushed EJ yesterday for lying and being imo being anti-town. I have has much confidence as EJ being scum as anyone else seeing that we don't have a scum claim.
I have been sorting people but apparently that's not good enough for you because I look to the day reps for that info. I know the Ram thing backfired but I think there is something there. You don't have to believe me and follow my logic but you can't say I;m not trying to sort people.
Spoiler: Tunneling Elsa
Note: In 7433 and on he distinctly sounds like he believes EJ is town, at least to me.
Spoiler: Pushing Day Reps being scum
Note, he ignored my:
In post 7527, Jingle wrote:
Faulty logic. It's confirmed that scum can put someone onto the day rep list. Given that the whole reasoning for the Ram push was based on that from the conversation around it, I suspect scum is likely ignoring that function or attempting to use it to frame town.In post 7524, Thanos wrote:Anyway I think now that we know 1 of the day rep is random. The rest is probably winners of the Boonus rounds and/or scum planted. That should get us 1 more easy scum lynch.
@Nero: Why do you think scum wouldn't hide behind mechanical pushes that don't require them to fake scumhunting?In post 7530, Jingle wrote:Yeah. But the similarity between this push and the Ram push is that it's based on speculation. My speculation is that the scum team has the ability to force any player to be a day rep, not just one of their own. Which means that based on the fact that you guys lynched Ram because of the argument day rep implies scum and the fact that day reps are largely irrelevant, they would have used it on not them and the repeated day rep status implies town.
Of course, because that's simply speculation, I'm not basing any of my reads on it. Basing your reads on the speculation that they would choose one of their own is just as lazy as townreading people for being dayreps would be, unless you have evidence to support the idea that they would repeatedly choose the same scum player to be a day rep. Or, in fact, evidence that there is actually causation between Day reps and Boonus rooms, rather than just correlation.
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Boon answered this, they can only put one of their scum teammates as a Day Rep not anyone they wish.In post 7530, Jingle wrote:Yeah. But the similarity between this push and the Ram push is that it's based on speculation. My speculation is that the scum team has the ability to force any player to be a day rep, not just one of their own. Which means that based on the fact that you guys lynched Ram because of the argument day rep implies scum and the fact that day reps are largely irrelevant, they would have used it on not them and the repeated day rep status implies town.
Of course, because that's simply speculation, I'm not basing any of my reads on it. Basing your reads on the speculation that they would choose one of their own is just as lazy as townreading people for being dayreps would be, unless you have evidence to support the idea that they would repeatedly choose the same scum player to be a day rep. Or, in fact, evidence that there is actually causation between Day reps and Boonus rooms, rather than just correlation.
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I very much doubt that’s what DVa meant by that.In post 8029, Jingle wrote:
I love how responding to an accusation that not sheeping nancy is antitown is 'inflating my epeen'.In post 8019, DrewVa wrote:Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen
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Wasn't about defending myself. I was acknowledging that I probably wasn't the person you were asking, and explaining why I'm interested in the lynch. And no, BEF didn't outright admit he thinks EJ is town. That is the conclusion I came to about him from reading his posts.Nero Cain wrote:
I didn't really name you as a BEF pusher so why did you feel the need to need to defend yourself? Also, you are saying that he's "prob scum" anyways so you are pushing him despite claiming that you aren't.In post 8015, Jingle wrote:Wouldn't say I've pushed him yet
I'll have to check to make sure but I don't think he's calling EJ town and I haven't played with BEF scum (at least I don't remember if I have) but doubling down on this day rep thing seems like something scum wouldn't do.In post 8015, Jingle wrote:He's pushing EJ for lying but seems to think EJ is town and he's pushing "Day Reps have scum" despite the Ramcius mislynch and multiple arguments about why that's not a helpful path to go down that he hasn't responded to.
I think its far more likely that scum are pushing BEF as opposed to BEF being scum.ShowHydra of DVa and Nancy Drew 39
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Quote?In post 8031, BrightEyedFish wrote:Boon answered this, they can only put one of their scum teammates as a Day Rep not anyone they wish.
More importantly, why would scum choose to put themselves on the day rep list when it's been proven to be considered scummy and has no utility for them?This is a Parachute.-
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In post 8033, Jingle wrote:
Quote?In post 8031, BrightEyedFish wrote:Boon answered this, they can only put one of their scum teammates as a Day Rep not anyone they wish.
More importantly, why would scum choose to put themselves on the day rep list when it's been proven to be considered scummy and has no utility for them?
There is the quote. And to answer your question as to why, here is my opinion.In post 2693, Boonskiies wrote:In post 2692, Gamma Emerald wrote:Don’t think this was ever askedIn post 2404, Boonskiies wrote:@Boon is this only able to make mafia the day rep or can town be selected as well?Scum can still be able to become a Day Rep without using that ability, however using the ability can let them pick one of their teammates to become automatically one of the Day Reps.
Since you replaced later in you don't recall it as we do but:
Apparently scum learned of this ability on N1, maybe earlier, but it was first announced Publicly by Boon at the start of D2 and this would have been after scum had chosen someone on N1, so before D2 scum wasn't aware that their day rep ability would be made public knowledge. That leads me to belive that maybe scum jumped the gun and got power hungry and picked a D2 Day Rep without knowing it would be made public.
on D2 we had 3 of the 4 Day Reps as BOONus Winners and since Ram was the only one who wasn't a winner, I thought this made him scum and my confbias got the best of me.
We then learned that 1 Day Rep is ALWAYS random.
D1: All random I assume
D2: 3 BOONus Winners
D3: 2 Winners
D4: 2 Winners
D5: Not for sure but there was 1 less BOONus round due to # of players so it may not give the same result.
Why were there 3 BOONus winner on D2 and only 2 on the following days? Remember Boon's quote now: "Scum can still be able to become a Day Rep without using that ability, however using the ability can let them pick one of their teammates to become automatically one of the Day Reps."
That's basically why I think at least one of the 3 Day Reps from D2 are scum. That all being said, I am not currently voting for any of them now as I do not want a repeat of Ram and I have nothing to single one of them out that couldn't be considered a gut read.
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y not Jingle?In post 8035, BrightEyedFish wrote:I am still teetering between voting for EJ and N&M.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Here is DrewVa's Activate list, the bolded names are the players who went on to become Day Reps the following day, I don't see any correlation really and since the activation puts them in the BOONus round that gives them a chance just by being in the round to make them a Day Rep.In post 8036, profii wrote:Have you factored in which players were activated via DrewVa
D1:
Activate: [DrewVa]
Activate: [Karmelon]
Activate: [Nero]
D2:
Activate: [Nero]
Activate: [RCE]
Activate: [Xtoxm]
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Activate: [DrewVa]
Activate: [Gamma Emerald]
Activate: [McQueen]
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Activate: [PenguinPower]
Activate: [Profil]
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In post 8037, Nero Cain wrote:
y not Jingle?In post 8035, BrightEyedFish wrote:I am still teetering between voting for EJ and N&M.
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that's kinda misreppy bro. Scum usually tend to avoid making waves, he's pushing something that's likely wrong and unpopular. Do you see scum him going "hey, let me push something that I'll prob get flak for."In post 8030, Jingle wrote:@Nero: Why do you think scum wouldn't hide behind mechanical pushes that don't require them to fake scumhunting?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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First, that quote tells us only that scum can (but doesn't have to) choose a player to be a day rep. It doesn't tell us scum can't choose a town player. It does in fact tell us scum can choose not to choose a player to be a day rep.In post 8035, BrightEyedFish wrote:There is the quote. And to answer your question as to why, here is my opinion.
Since you replaced later in you don't recall it as we do but:
Apparentlyscum learned of this ability on N1,maybe earlier, but it was first announced Publicly by Boon at the start of D2 and this would have been after scum had chosen someone on N1, so before D2 scum wasn't aware that their day rep ability would be made public knowledge. That leads me to belive that maybe scum jumped the gun and got power hungry and picked a D2 Day Rep without knowing it would be made public.
on D2 we had 3 of the 4 Day Reps as BOONus Winners and since Ram was the only one who wasn't a winner, I thought this made him scum and my confbias got the best of me.
We then learned that 1 Day Rep is ALWAYS random.
D1: All random I assume
D2: 3 BOONus Winners
D3: 2 Winners
D4: 2 Winners
D5: Not for sure but there was 1 less BOONus round due to # of players so it may not give the same result.
Why were there 3 BOONus winner on D2 and only 2 on the following days? Remember Boon's quote now: "Scum can still be able to become a Day Rep without using that ability, however using the ability can let them pick one of their teammates to become automatically one of the Day Reps."
That's basically why I think at least one of the 3 Day Reps from D2 are scum. That all being said, I am not currently voting for any of them now as I do not want a repeat of Ram and I have nothing to single one of them out that couldn't be considered a gut read.
I am still teetering between voting for EJ and N&M.
Where did you get the bolded information? What proof do you have that scum used their ability to manipulate day reps N1? What argument do you have to discount that your premise is entirely based on correlations and not causation? Why didn't you respond to the fact that your plan of attack is about as likely to be useful as a dartboard and a copy of the playerlist when I first pointed out the holes in your theory? Why is this theory strong enough to base entire scumreads off of? And, possibly most importantly, WHY HAVE YOU NOT ANSWERED WHY YOU THINK SCUM WOULD CONTINUE USING THEIR ABILITY AFTER RAMCIUS WAS LYNCHED ON THE BASIS OF HAVING BEEN A DAY REP?
That's kinda misreppy bro. Day 2 Ramcius was lynched via similar reasoning, and there doesn't seem to have been significant blowback to that. Today, I think I'm the only real opposition to the awful logic that goes into that push. I certainly can't remember anyone else pointing out how terrible it is.Nero Cain wrote:
that's kinda misreppy bro. Scum usually tend to avoid making waves, he's pushing something that's likely wrong and unpopular. Do you see scum him going "hey, let me push something that I'll prob get flak for."In post 8030, Jingle wrote:@Nero: Why do you think scum wouldn't hide behind mechanical pushes that don't require them to fake scumhunting?This is a Parachute.-
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you are hardly the sole pusher of BEF. But then again you said earlier that you aren't really pushing him. The mental gymnastics alone makes me want you dead.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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not according to Jingle!In post 8042, RCEnigma wrote:Bef isn't the kind of scum player to wag it in your face.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I guess the activation isn’t all that relevantIn post 8038, BrightEyedFish wrote:
Here is DrewVa's Activate list, the bolded names are the players who went on to become Day Reps the following day, I don't see any correlation really and since the activation puts them in the BOONus round that gives them a chance just by being in the round to make them a Day Rep.In post 8036, profii wrote:Have you factored in which players were activated via DrewVa
D1:
Activate: [DrewVa]
Activate: [Karmelon]
Activate: [Nero]
D2:
Activate: [Nero]
Activate: [RCE]
Activate: [Xtoxm]
D3:
Activate: [DrewVa]
Activate: [Gamma Emerald]
Activate: [McQueen]
D4:
Activate: [PenguinPower]
Activate: [Profil]
Activate: [DrewVa]
My theory was if the winners = day reps then scum will know during the night phase if they are going to be a day rep via that mechanic making any PR moot
I’m not sure it fits but was just a thought
Personally I don’t see why scum want to be a day rep until latter stages of the game - we’ve only used it to lynch scum so far ha ha-
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Why?In post 8042, RCEnigma wrote:Bef isn't the kind of scum player to wag it in your face.This is a Parachute.-
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Show me where, prior to my response to BEF, anyone made any comment about pushing dayrep theories being scummy.In post 8044, Nero Cain wrote:
not according to Jingle!In post 8042, RCEnigma wrote:Bef isn't the kind of scum player to wag it in your face.This is a Parachute.-
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Here is where I learned of the "bolded information". Directly from Boon's announcement of the Day Rep ability. I bolded the parts that answer how I understood the information.In post 8041, Jingle wrote:
First, that quote tells us only that scum can (but doesn't have to) choose a player to be a day rep. It doesn't tell us scum can't choose a town player. It does in fact tell us scum can choose not to choose a player to be a day rep.
Where did you get the bolded information?
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Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pickone of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability,but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!"
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