Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

3: Zu_Faul

(Battle Mage, Vollkan, elvis_knits)

1: Erg0

(Flameaxe)

1: elvis_knits

(Zu_Faul)

Not Voting:

DizzyIzzy, DarlaBlueEyes, Xylthixlm, IH, hasdgfas, Erg0, Panzerjager

[zu_Faul]

So I looked at zu_faul's posts in isolation and I see a fair amount of fighting/animosity between him and TS. Granted, some of it was like four months ago. But he does call her a retard several times. Yet he didn't want to lynch her yesterday.

That is not logical. Unless he's scum and found TS useful because she was helping get so many townies lynched.

vote zu_faul

Nice OMGUS. And I never palyed with TS before. I had to get used to her style. BTW you are still scum.

Vote: elvis_knits

You've never played with DGB??

No.

this is muy muy interesante , I MA leaning towards a Zu lynch as well, Im inclined to believe hasdhdgasadcow.

Yeah, let's not do some work and just jump on the forming bandwagon, yeah. **** you.

You make it sound like it's personal... 0.o

Tell me, do you have any suspicions that aren't doused in OMGUS?

BM[/quote]

It's not OMGUS what I did. I voted e_k for the reasons I stated yesterday. Like you did with me. Only the I had reason yesterday and you only a vague feeling.

[Battle Mage]

Oh, you can bet your life i have reason

[Battle Mage]

vollkan and elvis_knits, answer my post 2431.

why not me?

Actually, i dont really understand the CPR Doc mechanic. So if someone can please explain that, it might help... lol

BM

an answer would be awesome, so i can make some sense of the current discussion....

BM

[zu_Faul]

CPR doc kills his target, unless the target was also target of another kill, in which case all kills are prevented. Don't know what happens if there are two kills + cpr on one target.

[Xylthixlm]

Which of these scenarios is most likely for Night 2?
(a) hasdgfas is lying about targeting Zu_Faul
(b) Zu_Faul is a godfather, the wolf kill was stopped by a doc
(c) Zu_Faul is a godfather, the wolves didn't kill
(d) Zu_Faul was targeted by a vig, the wolf kill was stopped by a doc
(e) Zu_Faul was targeted by a vig, the wolves didn't kill
(f) the wolves tried to kill Zu_Faul

I'm leaning to (f) but I'm curious what other people think. Especially the people voting Zu_Faul.

N2? We had a kill that night, right, but only one. And we know that we had a SK active in addition to the wolves.

Either TS tried to kill zu and was stopped by hascow, or TS tried to kill zu but was stopped by him being GF, or TS tried to kill someone else which didn't work for some reason -- and hascow targetted zu but didn't kill him because zu is GF or was targetted by a vig.

TS tried to kill zu and was stopped by hascow: The kill that night was not wolf-flavored, so this only works if there is also a vig and the wolves failed/nokilled.
TS tried to kill zu but was stopped by him being GF: exactly the same as the previous one.
TS tried to kill someone else but didn't work for some reason: why would you assume that it didn't work, since the one kill that night is not wolf-flavored? Unless you have a reason to believe that I'm wrong and that kill

was

done by the wolves...

[hasdgfas]

CPR doc kills his target, unless the target was also target of another kill, in which case all kills are prevented. Don't know what happens if there are two kills + cpr on one target.

Here's the way I understand it:

CPR Doc (me) is processed after all other actions on the person I target.
If they are alive when my action is processed, I kill them.
If they are dead when my action is processed, I revive them.

[hasdgfas]

Hi.

In other news I believe cow's claim. Makes sense.

Not that I find hasdafgas' claim too believable with a Doc and a Jailkeeper down.

I'd like an explanation for why you switched your thoughts about me after I claimed to have targeted you, and was slightly suspicious of you.

[zu_Faul]

Hi.

In other news I believe cow's claim. Makes sense.

Not that I find hasdafgas' claim too believable with a Doc and a Jailkeeper down.

I'd like an explanation for why you switched your thoughts about me after I claimed to have targeted you, and was slightly suspicious of you.

The first one was Day 1, when there were no night actions to be concerned of, right?
Doc and Jailkeeper went down afterwards.

[hasdgfas]

Hi.

In other news I believe cow's claim. Makes sense.

Not that I find hasdafgas' claim too believable with a Doc and a Jailkeeper down.

I'd like an explanation for why you switched your thoughts about me after I claimed to have targeted you, and was slightly suspicious of you.

The first one was Day 1, when there were no night actions to be concerned of, right?
Doc and Jailkeeper went down afterwards.

The first one was day 2, after we lynched the jailkeeper and I accidentally killed the doc.

[zu_Faul]

Ah, OK.

Maybe I didn't really think it through at that time, and I saw you as a Vig. Heck, it has been months since the first post.

I don't really get why you would want to more or less randomly target someone at night. It's very possible that you are Mafia and are just afraid of a Watcher/Tracker.

Is there any reason hasdgfas shouldn't tell us last night's target?

[hasdgfas]

I don't really get why you would want to more or less randomly target someone at night.
Is there any reason hasdgfas shouldn't tell us last night's target?

Randomly target someone? Where did I say or imply that?

I'm also fine telling my target if the town wants me to.

[Erg0]

I have some catching up to do.

[Xylthixlm]

hasdgfas, I would like to know your target sometime today.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I think it would be helpful to know your target as well

[DizzyIzzyB13]

While I'm not entirely convinced of the merit of the zu_faul wagon, I do note that he's been very prickly and prone to using some rather unsporting language. He does jump around with his vote, and seems prone to interpreting every comment as being scummy to a degree. He could be scum. Certainly, he's the closest thing I have to a scum read on someone at the moment.

[Battle Mage]

CPR doc kills his target, unless the target was also target of another kill, in which case all kills are prevented. Don't know what happens if there are two kills + cpr on one target.

Here's the way I understand it:

CPR Doc (me) is processed after all other actions on the person I target.
If they are alive when my action is processed, I kill them.
If they are dead when my action is processed, I revive them.

ok that makes sense. thanks.

What did you claim as your previous night targets again?

BM

[hasdgfas]

Night 1 I targeted Peers, being almost certain they'd kill the claimed doc.
Night 2 I targeted zu.

[Battle Mage]

Hmm the Peers choice makes sense. But why would Zu Faul be targetted on Night 2?

BM

[Xylthixlm]

Hmm the Peers choice makes sense. But why would Zu Faul be targetted on Night 2?

BM

Because hasdgfas thought Zu_Faul was scum, and was trying to kill him. It seems like hasdgfas might have saved him instead, since he didn't die and the werewolf kill is apparently missing that night. I have no idea why the werewolves would try to kill Zu_Faul, but if they did, he obviously isn't one of them...

[vollkan]

Which of these scenarios is most likely for Night 2?
(a) hasdgfas is lying about targeting Zu_Faul
(b) Zu_Faul is a godfather, the wolf kill was stopped by a doc
(c) Zu_Faul is a godfather, the wolves didn't kill
(d) Zu_Faul was targeted by a vig, the wolf kill was stopped by a doc
(e) Zu_Faul was targeted by a vig, the wolves didn't kill
(f) the wolves tried to kill Zu_Faul

I'm leaning to (f) but I'm curious what other people think. Especially the people voting Zu_Faul.

N2? We had a kill that night, right, but only one. And we know that we had a SK active in addition to the wolves.

Either TS tried to kill zu and was stopped by hascow, or TS tried to kill zu but was stopped by him being GF, or TS tried to kill someone else which didn't work for some reason -- and hascow targetted zu but didn't kill him because zu is GF or was targetted by a vig.

TS tried to kill zu and was stopped by hascow: The kill that night was not wolf-flavored, so this only works if there is also a vig and the wolves failed/nokilled.
TS tried to kill zu but was stopped by him being GF: exactly the same as the previous one.
TS tried to kill someone else but didn't work for some reason: why would you assume that it didn't work, since the one kill that night is not wolf-flavored? Unless you have a reason to believe that I'm wrong and that kill

was

done by the wolves...

Hmm. I am curious - what do you think the implications of the targeting/kill combinations is?

I'm also fine telling my target if the town wants me to.

If doing so won't have any negative effects (including loss of opportunity) than you might as well do so as early as possible,

[Xylthixlm]

Hmm. I am curious - what do you think the implications of the targeting/kill combinations is?

The simplest explanation for the lack of hasdgfas + wolf kills N2 is that they both targeted Zu_Faul. Ergo, it is very likely Zu_Faul is not a wolf.

The simplest explanation for the lack of hasdgfas + wolf kills last night is that both targeted the same person. Ergo, it is very likely that person is not a wolf.

[vollkan]

Hmm. I am curious - what do you think the implications of the targeting/kill combinations is?

The simplest explanation for the lack of hasdgfas + wolf kills N2 is that they both targeted Zu_Faul. Ergo, it is very likely Zu_Faul is not a wolf.

The simplest explanation for the lack of hasdgfas + wolf kills last night is that both targeted the same person. Ergo, it is very likely that person is not a wolf.

Well met.

Unvote

. I think that you make an excellent point, and I can't justify voting Zu, much as I find his play scummy, unless something makes the scenario you posit less likely, and I cannot think of anything off the top of my head.

The obvious thing to do right now is for hasd to reveal, provided he doesn't think there is an overwhelming potential opportunity cost.

[Battle Mage]

Hmm the Peers choice makes sense. But why would Zu Faul be targetted on Night 2?

BM

Because hasdgfas thought Zu_Faul was scum, and was trying to kill him. It seems like hasdgfas might have saved him instead, since he didn't die and the werewolf kill is apparently missing that night. I have no idea why the werewolves would try to kill Zu_Faul, but if they did, he obviously isn't one of them...

Thats what i'm saying. Why would the werewolves want to kill Z_F who hasnt claimed, and would be a good mislynch. Unless of course they thought Z_F was onto them.

BM

[Xylthixlm]

Hmm the Peers choice makes sense. But why would Zu Faul be targetted on Night 2?

BM

Because hasdgfas thought Zu_Faul was scum, and was trying to kill him. It seems like hasdgfas might have saved him instead, since he didn't die and the werewolf kill is apparently missing that night. I have no idea why the werewolves would try to kill Zu_Faul, but if they did, he obviously isn't one of them...

Thats what i'm saying. Why would the werewolves want to kill Z_F who hasnt claimed, and would be a good mislynch. Unless of course they thought Z_F was onto them.

BM

Read what I wrote again. I'm saying Zu_Faul is

not

a werewolf.