For context, since I have evolved, Flippy was my strongest scumread at this point from the disappearing act. Having more activity from that slot has moved it up for me, at least beyond Lich where I think I get to learn more.
In post 19, teacher wrote:
1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town
1. town on salem and their forums
2. not exactly well - i tend to be pretty aggresive and for that get suspicion on me. i either die really early or live till the very end.
3. very carefully plan my words, use longer sentences to confuse town too. i also love to kill my teammates
4. their tone and motive
i'm probably not going to do reads, as im not very good at them. if i find a scum, i'll tell you
Nice! Thanks for calling this out. It made me reread CatStar's ISO generally, and I see alot of thought-processes, questions, and reads that I like. She hasnt felt as present when skimming the game, but there is real depth there. Thank you. Both you and she get town!points.
In post 136, u r a person 2 wrote:clem I want to town read. he agrees with me on skellen, good. Paranoia about teacher is pretty meh tho.
I dont blame him, and its consistent with his investigation in Newb 1909. The fact is that I at least try for this meta as scum too. The best example I can provide is when scum!me conclusively proved someone town at mylo, [url=viewtopic.php?p=10286465#p10286465]here[/post]. There is always a rational case to be made to for a scum!win because town does scummy things too.
In post 136, u r a person 2 wrote:clem I want to town read. he agrees with me on skellen, good. Paranoia about teacher is pretty meh tho.
I dont blame him, and its consistent with his investigation in Newb 1909. The fact is that I at least try for this meta as scum too. The best example I can provide is when scum!me conclusively proved someone town at mylo, here. There is always a rational case to be made to for a scum!win because town does scummy things too.
In post 148, roomy wrote:I'm a big fan of linguistic analysis. maybe you just overlooked this?
I did overlook that, and somehow transmuted CatStar's linguistic criticism in 120 to you. My bad. I was more focused on the lack-of-uniqueness comment, because I did think that language catch was new data, even if less concrete.
In post 177, TemporalLich wrote:If I die today, then I probably shouldn't play Mafia ever again.
Nooo! That is distinctly NOT the point of newbie games. They are to learn how to play generally, and learn some skills to playing well. Regardless of your alignment, if you are today's lynch you can learn why people suspected you and learn how to avoid it (again, regardless of alignment). Scum-catches and mislynches all happen, the point is to make sure you are having fun and trying to win, not necessarily survive til the end game.
Town finding town is possibly more important than finding scum. This is an important aspect of the game that is often underappreciated. It is why I shared my first read, even though it was a townread, and part of why I stayed quiet on my early suspicions of flippy. That Roomy turned to Flip pretty immediately was just the sort of mindmeld (I had been thinking but not saying it) I needed to basically conf!town him at this point.
In post 189, roomy wrote:on mobile, but I’d like to get some others’ impressions of Nips. I don’t understand his “everyone is playing to their meta” response to my pointing out that he was playing to his self-described scum meta. ??? I don’t think that’s a very solid tell in itself, but his weird shrugging off and then asking a softball question towards Lich after I had called him out for it is just so scummy to me. plus, he’s had plenty of time to “go through the thread,” it’s 7 pages without many walls. His ISO is pretty much entirely him avoiding pressure and giving nothing back in return.
i think nips is lazy town
his meta is to start wagons, and he is doing the exact opposite. unless im missing something i think you are overreacting
In post 177, TemporalLich wrote:If I die today, then I probably shouldn't play Mafia ever again.
Nooo! That is distinctly NOT the point of newbie games. They are to learn how to play generally, and learn some skills to playing well. Regardless of your alignment, if you are today's lynch you can learn why people suspected you and learn how to avoid it (again, regardless of alignment). Scum-catches and mislynches all happen, the point is to make sure you are having fun and trying to win, not necessarily survive til the end game.
he's just trying to appeal to emotion, you are falling for his bait.
In post 223, teacher wrote:
Fourth, and the most compelling point for scum!good, is Birdy's 78. I saw this as a potential partnership play, of accelerating the wagon that was tied with Lich and hopefully redirecting attention to another slot.
there is only one point and it's not very compelling
voting a low acitivity slot is bad as activity is NAI but not scum
also, what do you think of roomy trying to create a wagon on nips?
Clem, when rewritten, can we get the list. I found your intent on Lich troubling given the gamestate of multiple lurkers subject to being replaced and several days left. I have less of a grasp of where you are coming from this game generally - I get that it may be being overgamed, but I need to see inside your head a little more.
here now, and i think i'm taking back what i said about lich
usually, i'd give players like lich the benefit of the doubt, since both newbies can mess up as town similar to flailing scum but this game seems to carry a higher amount of good players than usual
209 gave me some sort of gut feeling but i dont think it's smart for me to go off that
"all due respect, the words "Clemency" and "normal" do not belong in the same paragraph" - the worst
@Good - re240: 1. That was a real-time reaction. It felt like the momentum in the live gamestate was in the air between lich and catstar, and birdy was trying to push it one way without real substance. It probably wouldnt stand out on a cold-read, but when made (as one of very few substantive posts) it felt awkward and forced. 2, re Roomy, see my mind-meld comment. Flippy was my unstated scumread at that time.
@Good - re240: 1. That was a real-time reaction. It felt like the momentum in the live gamestate was in the air between lich and catstar, and birdy was trying to push it one way without real substance. It probably wouldnt stand out on a cold-read, but when made (as one of very few substantive posts) it felt awkward and forced. 2, re Roomy, see my mind-meld comment. Flippy was my unstated scumread at that time.
bullshit. votes on catstar were RvS votes while lich was being scumread
Yes, but the wagons were tied, and Birdy offered a defense of one while pushing the other. It simply felt like a possible partner play at the time.
To be clear, associational data is indeed weak pre-flip - that is part of why I didnt vote or make a case on your slot. But I am intrigued that you jumped right onto the associational point while ignoring all the other aspects of the case on Lich. Worried he might flip red?
