Newbie 1917 - Game Over

[chennisden]

I assumed he was lurking on purpose so nobody would scumread him. But now I see it's not the case.

UNVOTE: Muh
@TTTT I agree that we (newbies) should jump in the game and offer their thoughts instead of lurking

shoot i did not mean to put words in your mouth

[TTTT]

Could be either. I'll need the game to progress a bit before getting a better read.

I'm concerned that you don't seem to have any relevant thoughts about the game
other than we should pressure inactive players

[Micc]

u r a person 2 replaces muh316.

Votecount 1.05

chennisden (2) -

GuiltyLion, TTTT

TTTT (2) -

SaintAngelDFE, NotMySpamAccount

Thespio (1) -

u r a person 2

GuiltyLion (1) -

Thespio

Not Voting (3) -

CsBlastoise, Screamingnoodle, chennisden

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-02-24 11:15:00).

[CsBlastoise]

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putting someone at L-2 is not a big deal
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Well, here's Chen's reasoning:

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TTTT… i dont want to put you at L-2. assuming youre town and the other 2 on your wagon are town, scum could hammer you whenever they felt like. at the end of D1 they just have to make the excuse gotta lynch someone and theyll slip.
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While I agree that scum could do this, do note that scum is probably aware that town will likely see such actions as a scumslip (even without Chen pointing it out).

Ninja edit:

Could be either. I'll need the game to progress a bit before getting a better read.

I'm concerned that you don't seem to have any relevant thoughts about the game
other than we should pressure inactive players

I agree, it's even slightly annoying to myself that I don't want to commit to a read.

Also, I have other things on my mind rn, like MeatWorld responsibilities.

Ninja Edit 2: Welcome to the game, u r a person 2!

[TTTT]

URAP
plz be town

[TTTT]

I agree, it's even slightly annoying to myself that I don't want to commit to a read.

Also, I have other things on my mind rn, like MeatWorld responsibilities.

but even with meatworld responsibilities you are finding time to post frequently
just not time to give any thoughts

[Screamingnoodle]

Ninja Edits:
@Screaming RE Post 157: Mod said Saint already asked for replacement.

Ahh, I missed that. I see Muh requested replacement too. Regardless, I hope the spots are filled soon. Kind of annoying...

Thoughts:
I feel like some of you know this game TOO well to be newbs. It's showing and intimidating. Half my day is spent reading back and forth and we still have virtually no information to go on! I feel like a lynch is really need to start telling what is what and where is where.
I'm a little rusty but used to play forum Mafia/werewolf for several years. You guys are coming up to conclusions out of thin air. Which, such is usually the case for day 1. We really need more of a consensus on who the first lynch should be.

These are my thoughts so far:
Scum leaning: TTTT, GuiltyLion, and chennisden. In fact, the accusations going back and forth may actually be them working together to up front prove they are not scum and last in the game longer.
Null: Thespio and pretty much everyone else. I don't know why Thespio but... it's just a feeling... may not even been substantiated.

I'm going back to the town bar, having some town scotch, and dancing on town tables.

[TTTT]

to be fair you agreed with me that chenn is all over the place
but I'm not sure what else you think about this game
everything is "could be this... could be that" and null

[TTTT]

^for CsBlast

[u r a person 2]

URAP
plz be town

Don't worry, I got you bb =P

But I have a bullshit amount of work to do this morning and will catch up mid-late afternoon cst

[TTTT]

@URAP
I mostly want to hear from you if you think any of these newer players are town-telling yet
usually I can pick up an early TR or two on newbies
but I got nothing rn

[chennisden]

@screaming woah please don't advocate for a lynch way before deadline

[CsBlastoise]

I agree, it's even slightly annoying to myself that I don't want to commit to a read.

Also, I have other things on my mind rn, like MeatWorld responsibilities.

but even with meatworld responsibilities you are finding time to post frequently
just not time to give any thoughts

Ah yes, this is my downfall in all things.

to be fair you agreed with me that chenn is all over the place
but I'm not sure what else you think about this game
everything is "could be this... could be that" and null

You know, I guess I need some time to collect my thoughts. I do have a meatworld thing to take care of, though, so please excuse me as I ignore the game for a while.

PEdit: Ninja'd

[chennisden]

Cs I think you're town, but if you're scum damn you are doing good. Nobody has suspected you at all.

I find it problematic though you have no reads, etc

[TTTT]

@chenn
can you explain your TR on CsBlast?

[Screamingnoodle]

@screaming woah please don't advocate for a lynch way before deadline

Dont get me wrong, I am an advocate for lynching day 1. I never said anything about timeline.

[Screamingnoodle]

Alsochen, that is a cute misdirection.

[GuiltyLion]

omg URAP2! welcome, can we be town together?? TTTT/URAP2/GL townbloc but would wreck scum in this game I think

TTTT I entirely agree about how none of the newbies seem to be towntelling. If I had to pick one out of all of them it'd be CsBlastoise for town but even he is not without concern.

[GuiltyLion]

reading page 6 kinda made me weirdly want to townread chendennis

let me collect my thoughts then I'll post some good content

[GuiltyLion]

Reading your ISO, I think I need to engage GL a little more. It would be really sad if he gets away with lynching me (if he's mafia) and you get all the flak for it (if you're the town).

And what doesn't add up?

rn reading through your ISO

you're making a lot of claims, but they aren't really backed up by lots of information. Some quotes seem intentionally vague. TTTT, you are my scumread.

When GL comes back, I'll ask him some questions. If I don't like his answers, I will hop on his wagon for pressure.

wait shoot i should read what i said

i think i was backwards-justifying why I looked at 1912.

regardless i just forgot.

these posts in particular felt kinda town to me looking at this game with fresh eyes today

like I don't know if newbscum!Chen thinks to post 134, that just kinda vibes fundamentally honest paranoia about me. and then 136 doesn't feel like scum lying either. I think what was pinging me earlier may be just kinda awkwardness and trying to play "correctly" in a sense

chen if you're town just stop worrying about appeasing some standard of mafia play and just answer questions and ask ones you think will help

[GuiltyLion]

Scum leaning: TTTT, GuiltyLion, and chennisden. In fact, the accusations going back and forth may actually be them working together to up front prove they are not scum and last in the game longer.
Null: Thespio and pretty much everyone else. I don't know why Thespio but... it's just a feeling... may not even been substantiated.

these reads concern me

why would TTTT or myself be scum with chennisden? I don't see why you'd think we'd open with a hardcore distancing gambit like that. And given that at least one of us three has to be town, that should make you question the validity of such a "working together" narrative from the get-go, because either way you slice it (either TTTT or myself being scum with chendennis) means there's at least one townie doing the behavior that you're casting as scummy (accusing/interacting with the other).

I can show you many past scumgames of me treating my newbie scum partners with kiddie gloves, especially on D1 since I don't like unnecessary attention on them until/unless I'm confident they can handle it.

[Screamingnoodle]

Scum leaning: TTTT, GuiltyLion, and chennisden. In fact, the accusations going back and forth may actually be them working together to up front prove they are not scum and last in the game longer.
Null: Thespio and pretty much everyone else. I don't know why Thespio but... it's just a feeling... may not even been substantiated.

these reads concern me

why would TTTT or myself be scum with chennisden? I don't see why you'd think we'd open with a hardcore distancing gambit like that. And given that at least one of us three has to be town, that should make you question the validity of such a "working together" narrative from the get-go, because either way you slice it (either TTTT or myself being scum with chendennis) means there's at least one townie doing the behavior that you're casting as scummy (accusing/interacting with the other).

I can show you many past scumgames of me treating my newbie scum partners with kiddie gloves, especially on D1 since I don't like unnecessary attention on them until/unless I'm confident they can handle it.

Obviously, not all three I named are scum... I'm just saying... in my opinion and with how I've interpreted all the back and forth, these are my thoughts.
(Which in a previous post, TTTT is encouraging the newbies speak their thoughts so I did.)

I'm not sure how your last sentence helps me or your case. If two SE's are named scum (which I would hope not be the case in a newbie game) they

could

easily put forth the mechanic I mentioned. It's not something to discredit. I always think of all the possibilities and let my townies know too that the whole thing seemed fishy to me.
I was just surprised that right out the gate people were analyzing each other with no basis to go on. That to me is a red flag of sorts.

[GuiltyLion]

(which I would hope not be the case in a newbie game)

eh okay maybe this is town

VOTE: Thespio

who is up for this lynch

[GuiltyLion]

but for the record the role distribution is entirely random, so it is entirely possible that two SEs could be scum together.

[TTTT]

New read on TTTT: Scum.

He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.

Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.

But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.

GL give your thoughts on this plz