Let's say I get lynched. Well, I know I'll flip town. This is not good for Town.
Let's say you get lynched. If you're town (from your POV you are ConfTown) this is bad.
And inactive/lurking scum wouldn't have to do anything for it!
I thought this post explained it fairly well from a town!perspective.
he's OMGUSing you but it's the kinda newbie-style OMGUS I see often, where they lean towards the most vocal player pushing them to be scum bc they don't know yet how to discern between town pushing/sorting and scum pushing/sorting. combined with simultaneously being paranoid with inactive slots and I think decent odds he's town still figuring out how to play.
I'm not totally ruling out him scum but I kinda want to work with the game state perspective of him being town for a little bit to see if that feels better.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
With the exception of 16 this looks scummy af. And ya'll know how I feel about sorting people on their entrances. BTW last game BOTH scum could be caught in their first posts, not just NMSA. If you remember, I called out salami on his very first post and never looked back.
Early reads are GL, TTTT, Thespio town, CS, chenn scum.
In post 13, GuiltyLion wrote:no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason is
incrementally better than voting a slot randomly
You're right. May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt" (better than voting a random slot)
this looks like newbscum overly concerned with how others perceive him 9 is over-explained
we know chennis read the "Introduction and Tips" post with the RVS info (based on 15)
yet he still goes out of his way to make his RVS vote look un-scummy 10 is unnecessary (again looks like he's concerned with how he's viewed) 15 the "I guess" is noncommitall and the whole post is a missed opportunity to engage with his accuser (GL) 16 here he kinda engages with GL but in an appeasing way that is non-committal and approval seeking
oh NMSA is probably town, too. Let's call it town lean because he's a smart guy and could probably improve dramatically from game 1 to game 2. i'll look more into that idea later
In post 202, u r a person 2 wrote:oh NMSA is probably town, too. Let's call it town lean because he's a smart guy and could probably improve dramatically from game 1 to game 2. i'll look more into that idea later
Eh, I feel like NMSA hasn't posted enough content yet to get a read — again, 4 posts, all of them one-liners (not counting quotes), is basically nothing to go on.
I think the things he are saying are too helpful to be scum. If I rolled scum, I'd lurk for a good portion of the beginning to avoid fire and try to give bad points to subtly push a mislynch. If he was scum he could easily mislynch me, but he decided to do the opposite and not get my lynched. That's fundamentally why Cs isn't scum.
In post 206, chennisden wrote:I think the things he are saying are too helpful to be scum. If I rolled scum, I'd lurk for a good portion of the beginning to avoid fire and try to give bad points to subtly push a mislynch. If he was scum he could easily mislynch me, but he decided to do the opposite and not get my lynched. That's fundamentally why Cs isn't scum.
In post 207, chennisden wrote:He also doesn't want to push the inactives and let them get a good impression of the game in case early pressure causes them to mess up.
Thanks for the support! Honestly, I'm starting to lean town on you as well, regardless of this post.
Found something I drafted earlier; no clue why I didn't post it:
In post 196, Screamingnoodle wrote:I was just surprised that right out the gate people were analyzing each other with no basis to go on. That to me is a red flag of sorts.
@Screaming pressuring everyone is something that needs to be done. I agree with Cs, we had to start somewhere (though I would've preferred we pressured some scum instead)
I feel like there'd be a lot of benefits, you could understand where TTTT is coming from better to help sort his slot
you could learn something in a general sense about what behaviors may be considered scummy in games here on mafiascum
but to just say "meh, I'll leave that to you" feels decidedly not curious in a bad way, and possibly like you want to wash your hands of the attention paid to chendennis
Thespio wrote:
Dude the games 30 seconds in and you are claiming to have figured it all out, tbh this looks like an early lynch gambit, with no IC trying to get newbies to collapse on one person for an early kill. Im 99.999999999% sure the things pinging your scumdar are newbies trying to learn to play.
Yeah, I kind of have to agree with this.
I also don't see why you "have to agree" with Thespio here. I feel Thespio is misrepping TTTT pretty hard, TTTT never claimed to have it all figured out and the IC point is extremely reachy. Thespio is basically inventing a scum!TTTT narrative to throw shade at him. TTTT even explicitly said not to continue to vote chendennis
I'm kinda thinking regardless of Thespio's alignment this sheepiness looks scummy from CsBlastoise, but just for page 3 bragging rights I'm wondering if this is the scumteam right here.
I'd say these two posts, although they target me, aren't
terribly
scummy; I probably could have communicated things a little bit better.
I'm going to leave my read on GL as null and move on. There's a lot to process in his posts and it's making my brain hurt a bit, so I'm going to try reading someone else's ISO and go back to GL later.
In post 62, TTTT wrote:@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?
Too soon to say.
c'mon
gun to your head who is scum?
[Very fearfully]
Aaah! I'm telling you I have no clue! Now get that gun away from me, please!
Seriously, though, I'm on the new side. I'm not that great at reading people. (Not to mention that I was too quick to hammer a Vanilla Townie in Newbie 1827… and I was town.)
In post 90, Screamingnoodle wrote:I'm a her. I've just been mainly reading what everyone has been saying. Mainly because I am not used to the mechanics that you all have been discussing.
In post 91, chennisden wrote:Hi, my school blocks Mafia and I had to sleep, so I wasn't on for a while.
I will read through and give thoughts.
It's stupid as all heck, but seriously, greeting the thread (esp in first posts, but later too I bet) comes from newb!scum way way more often than from newb!town
thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean
CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.
@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)
@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.
the question to thespio seems kind of townie, actually. rest of post pretty nai
thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean
CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.
@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)
@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.
BAM, a newbie, through and through. I’m 100% sure their early game proves it. Here they are reading games of their opponents, if they’re scum they would have blown up PT not our game.
In post 96, CsBlastoise wrote:Oh, here's something that would be nice to know: What time zones are people in?
I'm in the US eastern time zone, GMT -5 (daylight saving starts March 10)
PEdit: Ninja'd
"what else could I possibly talk about in the thread today?"
"Oh, here's something that..."
=/
In all seriousness, our differences in time zones really seem to be showing in this thread. For instance, TTTT and Thespio seem to post on the earlier side, while chennisden posts on the later side.
Well, I'm going to work now. Maybe I'll pop in around 9:30 or 10pm my time (2:30 or 3am tomorrow morning UTC), but really I should go to sleep not long after that.
