Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

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i think based on my predecessors iso i am clearly town and anyone who even insinuates that i might be scum is scumclaiming and will be exterminated with extreme prejudice

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i didn't read cuz i thought there was a >50% chance i was taking the slot to die with it but i'll do that now

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i have 1 super confident scumread and a shit ton of townreads

but i'm not going to post any of them yet because i'm a tease

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RC is town.

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nah

me not dying is definitely +equity scum

but i'm still town

yes u do put your vote back down

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yes

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why is draco obvtown lol

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godfather is a term that was used by his friends one of affection one of respect

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THIS COMMITTEE OWES AN APOLOGY

APOLOGY SENATOR

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vedith i would have respected the shit out of u if it weren't for the fact u ended up unvoting

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i doubt it's both of them right now

honestly i think it's draco and micc and they're crossvoting but im less sure on micc

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i doubt it's both of them right now

honestly i think it's draco and micc and they're crossvoting but im less sure on micc

Was Draco your super confident scum read? Why?

yes

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RC, I would like your thoughts on rainbow reads in general.

I would also like to know if you want to be #00FF00 in my rainbow reads.

i just watched al neri shoot fredo

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VOTE: Penguinpower

good lynch im out.

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go watch the godfather movies and then we can be friends

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draco as town would care a lot more about me coming in saying they were my most confident scumread

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dw i'll case draco whenever i end up feeling like it

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vedith

stop talking to the wolf

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did u not hear that he's pretty bored with ur self meta wifom?

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are you not

fucking

LISTENING!?

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I took a little more convincing on Xwing since Slaxx was already there on that read, but I did most of the work to get there on my own.
I'll have to go back and dig through our PT to give you an accurate answer on this. I'm not doing it right now.
-U2

aka they don't actually have something and they need to talk it through lol

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https://youtu.be/55iSJIQ4BIM?t=142

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what is the question

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michael corleone

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lol

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i have had it up to hear with ur self meta wifom penguinpower

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my friends like me. my customers like me.

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hmm

as part of my comprehensive stalking of NSG I am generally aware of the hours that she is asleep

I can nudge you at one of those hours to steal some pagetops

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why micc

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RC is le village cutest most mvpest village
xwing is lean town but i can't quite say locktown
penguin is lean town but i can't quite say locktown
vedith is lean town but i can't quite say locktown
bbmolla is lean town but i can't quite say locktown
dannflor is... lean town but i can't quite say locktown

then i think that

micc/dr worm are fairly wolfy
and draco is just lol wolf

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i'm really ticked off that i can't actually call anyone locktown right now
closest i'd come is dannflor but i hesitate cuz of his weird locktown on draco

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u know what

i almost think that micc is town

and that its worm/draco

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VADETH and PONGWIN!! do you THINK OVERKILLED is TONWN or MAFIA??

regarding worm first off this is completely out of nowhere when he's already on the wagon and this is a high wolf equity post but most importantly

if OVERKILL IS BADMAN VEDATH looks like BADMAN TOO

VOTE: OVERKILL

dr worm is tying people to overkills flip... before overkill has flipped... before he has voted overkill or expressed a read on him

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literally no mention of overkill in his iso then he's tying people to the flip and voting him then after voting him asking people what they think the flip is ???

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so uh the sheer number of people townreading mr worm confuses me

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draco's a tone read, i'm gonna give a lot less detail to it, but they're rly wolfy

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but let's definitely not lynch micc today

if draco/worm doesn't end it you can lynch or cop him sometime

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VOTE: Dr Worm

this is where i'm voting today

i think this is actually the highest wolf equity in game

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i'm actually kind of reluctant to strongarm in a game where you guys hit scum d1

but worm is the best lynch ToDay

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it's less that i specifically see him as town and more that the reasons for scumreading him are weak

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what is ur thinking on micc

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i'm not actually seeing what you scumread in those posts, care to elucidate or should I do this when I reread

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i think it's like worm/pp if you're town

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0verki11 (6) xwing (207), Dannflor (214), Draco Lucky (236), PenguinPower (248), BBMolla (258), Dr Worm (281)
Micc (1) Creature (143)
Dannflor (1) Vedith (211)
BBMolla (1) Micc (134)
0verki11, DoubtingThomas


hey so just something to keep in mind:
either the scumteam is exactly micc/vedith
or wolves bussed overkill

now i happen to think that the wolves bussed overkill

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I never had an 100% scumread tbh I just hoped someone would react scummily to that statement

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Who asks people what they think the flip is on an already lynched wolf like that just makes you look worse

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I never had an 100% scumread tbh I just hoped someone would react scummily to that statement

sad

Still, you had Draco as lolwolf in your last reads list. Does a worm flip give more info or are you just more confident in a red flip there now?

I don't vote people for info

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I'm giving a new readslists that is na actual reads list

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This game is gonna need a lot of soak time

I am starting to suspect its none of the obvious answers

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At this point I'm just ignoring all of your reads ftr

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Ok

I do have a confident scumread now

Looking for #2

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Can I expect you all to not hard int if I give you 5/6 odds of winning

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I'll out it tonight with a case

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I have only 1 person I can confidently say is town to go with my lock scumread and I want to fix those numbers they're rookie numbers

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i'm sure of 1 caught scum.

i'm going to case them tomorrow because i'm too lazy to do so tonight.

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at this point that statement is serious, i'd appreciate not placing anyone above even 3 votes b4 i can strut my stuff

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In fact.
I think I do have the solve

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But, morning

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Sitting and reading this I feel better and better about it

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waiting for micc and others to do stuff before i go any further

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@draco if you're town why is slaxx slanking so hard

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I'm asking a question. I felt that it was worth asking.

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what if none of those 3 are scum

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{vedith, dr worm, draco, RC, dann}

these ur townreads?

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the great DR WORM is exempt because they're so awesome

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Wait I'm your second strongest townread

Wanna talk me through why

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You okay RC?

I am ok

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Wait I'm your second strongest townread

Wanna talk me through why

Directed at xwing?

Yes

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thank you for that xwing it makes me feel a lot better about my solve

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let's not do this

i'm being serious when i say this game is pretty much over

i'm just giving it a few days to solidify my reads that everyone who isn't scum is in fact town

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idk are you sure it wouldn't be a

micclynch

ba dum tsh

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maybe because all reads are not created equal

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miccy miccy you're so fine you're so fine you blow my mind hey miccy na na hey miccy

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i'm stalling because i want micc to produce something to be more confident on my read on him one way or the other.
please don't mistake me being careful enough to get all the information I possibly can before coming forward with what I believe is a game solve >80% of the time with me being scum.
if I was scum I wouldn't stall this long because I would expect this kind of predictable reaction to me having not done stuff for a while and i am more than capable of appearing to do things as scum

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I want to post but I want to have something more to go off wrt micc.

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Please don't.

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Sigh

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I think that micc is town because I'm fairly sure I know who the two scum are
I have fairly ironclad reasons to townread pretty much everyone else in the playerlist
but I just want to give Micc a chance to prove me wrong or right before I go all in

do you think Micc never, as town, goes this long without doing anything useful?

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and i mean literally never. is this 100% scumfirming in your eyes

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Do you think he never, as town, fails to do anything in that 16 hours?

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I think that micc is town because I'm fairly sure I know who the two scum are
I have fairly ironclad reasons to townread pretty much everyone else in the playerlist
but I just want to give Micc a chance to prove me wrong or right before I go all in

do you think Micc never, as town, goes this long without doing anything useful?

Lmfao

You’re not this bad.

-Slaxx

Do you think he never, as town, fails to do anything in that 16 hours?

He could be busy with life regardless of alignment.

You’re.
Not.
This.
Bad.

???

what's the point that you're trying to make

i personally am advocating... not lynching micc for being absent... because i don't think that his absency is alignment indicative...

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that's an interpretation that literally makes no sense

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i think you jumping to the conclusion that if we disagree on reads that i'm scum rather than you being wrong says a lot about who you think that you are

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particularly in the context of trying to burden of proficiency me for not agreeing with your reads because you think that i'm

so good

without you considering that you could be wrong.

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there is only 1 right way to play mafia and that's to lynch scum

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i don't think micc in this game crossed the border of being slot that is required to be policy lynched for performing an action so egregious and i certainly don't think he's a necessary today lynch given that he never goes to endgame.

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Just hopping in for a second here to remind you that I would still like you to explain why our thinking on Micc is wrong!

Okay, carry on.

-U2

and I, like I have said many times, want Micc to post first to give me more data points to make a more informed decision

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never said you were policy lynching

did say he meets neither the criteria of scumminess nor policy lynching to be my vote today.

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ime regarding myself i miss self imposed deadlines a lot as town but not as scum.

I suspect the correct play here is to post my theory about who the scum are, which isn't micc, and then lynch Micc anyway.

If he's villa he can vengecop one of them and if not well I guess I Was wrong.

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no

its not

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there is no other people's reads

there is only RC

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alright this was a game.

gonna end it now.

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let's get a page

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Scum one:

Vedith

Xwing Draco Overkill
That's where I'm at.

We should lynch Draco a d if Draco town Draco then picks xwing.

Sets up a rule of 3 scumreads that contains 1 scum (Overkill) then suggests a course of action that involves... flipping both of the two that aren't Overkill.
Then let's look at how he addresses the Overkill slot the next time it comes up:

No, I suspect him for using you as the reason for his vote.
It didn't make me change my mind who Dann is voting. Overkill isn't pinging me as Scum. An underwhelming and empty post doesn't mean Scum. What benefit does he gain as Scum with such a bad post? The same as town, fuck all. It's pointless but it's NAI.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think a vote on Overkill is bad.
And i would lynch the slot over keeping with what I have.

I really didn't like Danns response to me though and I feel he was intentially mis reading what I was saying.

Three big things that you should look into here.
1) He goes from calling Overkill scum to calling them NAI/null after a post that was generally scumread and changes their mind to isn't pinging me as scum.
2) He talks about making a 'bad post' like to be scum you have to intentionally make a bad/scummy post.
3) Despite calling them not pinging and such he still feels the need to mention that he is willing to lynch the slot.

This is the big smoking gun fmpov. But let's look at some of the other things that he's done that makes me think that he's scum.

As for Molla, you are correct. He could be playing a naughty Scum prank on us. But then I could have wings and fly around at night protecting my city.
It's just not realistic.

This is not a legitimate town read on town. This is straight up a TMI read, ignoring the fact that the phrasing is absolutely bonkers and a scumclaim in and of itself.

Not sure if it's because it's nearly 3am but I do t know Wtf RC is saying in some posts.
Is this fluff?!

This phrasing is, also, a thing that town just never says.
I also somewhat agree with the point that Dr Worm has brought against Vedith even though I didn't think that it was all

that

alignment indicative?

This isn't all of it by the way, the associations with the scumbuddy are a large part of it and they're going to come up in my third post.

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Scum two:

Dannflor

First major point of contention here is the sheer lack of content from the slot.

Despite the fact that Dannflor ended up on the correct scum lynch D1 (which I consider relatively meaningless in this situation where I know that there was almost certainly at least 1 busser) they have a lot less content in general than I would expect them to and that's the first major reason I've been interested in them.

Beyond that a lot of the reasons that I think that they are scum individually are hard to do justice outside of just saying that my gut says that it's right.

But what I can talk about is how I think that their associations are transparently scum vs scum and I will do that now.

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If you flip town?

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It's going to be a while, apologies.

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Let's wait for miccs replacement to show up

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(I"m actually fully waiting to finish my case until that happens. No point in all-inning without as much knowledge about other players hands as I possibly can have.)

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RC micc is a literally never

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RC micc is a literally never

I can't identify why it should be ruled out completely.

-U2

because pretty much any mislynch I make today cops micc at the worst and when micc supposedly flips scum I am 100% going to be die or be copped after that.

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no because whatever you would do is probably worse than whatever i would do

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I'll come up and say Mr Worm, PP and xwing are town

btw i suspect creature was killed because this is right

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{RC, PP, xwing, worm}
molla ????
{Micc, Draco}
{Vedith, Dannflor} btw

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also

VOTE: Dannflor

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vedith is so obviously wolf

that i feel like he would not be bad enough to play this game as wolf

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and i just don't have

the pieces connecting in my head in the way that i want them to

to feel like im right

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Do you want to talk to me about it or do you want to talk to RC about it jw

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Truthfully you're just so fucking wolfy that despite everything that I see as likely distancing b/w vedith/dannflor I think that it's equally probably that you/dannflor is a thing and it meshes with the gamestate

and lynching dannflor hits both teams

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i put micc low out of, eh, probably bad reasons. in my heart i've never felt like he was scum and my heart is generally right.

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I don't think you really believe that read on me.

Then why aren't you doing something about it????

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Your play meshes exactly with what I would expect with wolf buddies with Dannflor here.
Vedith's play... does not at all mesh with what I would expect from wolf buddies with Dannflor here.

The fact that my case on Dannflor is more tonal, while it does make it harder for me to give evidence for it, doesn't make it any less certain. In fact with the way that I generate reads, it probably makes it

more

certain.
And you've been hitting my scumdar constantly this day phase and I have enough respect for the fact that I came in hard scumreading you to keep that read in mind when it comes to how I sift through other teams.

Oh, and Creature was one of few people in this game who didn't townread Dannflor and who hard scumread you. You guys nightkilling him makes perfect sense.

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Why can't I scumread you because I think that you're scummy as fuck as town, why's it gotta be a reaction test?

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dunno maybe you just annoy me so much that I'm throwing out good sense or something? but Dannflor is a wolf

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I'm not actually against being the lynch and checking Dann tonight.
If I flip town though, I expect you to follow my lead and lynch Draco.

I think RC is Scum and changed to Dann in fear of me copping him.

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Sure!

VOTE: Vedith

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I think RC is Scum and changed to Dann in fear of me copping him.

Moreso because this was a literal wolf claim but sure!

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Vedith claimed that he was going to vengecop Dann then want Draco lynched if townflip. None of this threatens me directly. I switch to Dann who he was going to flip anyway (supposedly) and he accused me of switching due to fear of being venge copped. Why would I switch from the person who has expressed intent to not vengecop me into someone who is an unknown out of fear of being vengecopped? The read doesn't make sense and I think that he's just trying to gambit for town cred by expressing interest in being lynched.

There's also the fact that from his PoV there is no reason not to want to do things the other way around, have Dann cop him or something.

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well at least no one can possibly blame me for this if you're town

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Sorry for not having faith in you bbmolla

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{RC, PP, xwing, worm}
molla ????
{Micc, Draco}
{Vedith, Dannflor} btw

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Final readlist of the game