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In post 2995, Vedith wrote:
Wait, why only 2 scum left?In post 2987, Pink Ball wrote:It's pretty obvious that he's not giving reads in order to not give information about his remaining partner. Leave him be and focus on the next day.
I don't see 12:3 in setup?In post 2950, Pink Ball wrote:So I ask you once again: if you're town, could you please stop WIFOMing my slot and focus on scum? I've done my part already-
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She claimed weak hider and flipped weak hider tho. And as I said, when I told you "I like your theory" was inmediately after you asked me "what do you think about Kaito being a goon, not Nikk being a token VT. I didn't read that post, and using the word "theory" was a coincidence. One more time for the people behind: I'm town, I am a VT. If your theory is based in Nikk being a token VT, you're wrong. Do you think I'm Kaito's partner who told you I like your theory and now I'm regretting it and defending Kaito? Get your head out of your ass, Nero. The only way I could be townier this game would be if I had it written in my forehead, but I don't know where it begins 'cause I have no hair.-
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That's manipulation and you're doing it only because I'm following Wisdom instead of you. I don't give a flying fuck about your beef with him. I'm here to play as optimal as I can, and following you is not optimal. Like dude, if I was scum with Kaito, voting him would be optimal 'cause I wouldn't get lynch EVER.In post 3017, Nero Cain wrote:
TBF, if he was scum with Katio and he shows any hesitation in voting Katio it ruins any town cred and makes ppl think that he's a Katio buddy. I'd feel more comfortable with ruling him out as a Katio buddy if he actually you know stayed on Katio instead of jumping off each chance he got.In post 2952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:He has been willing to vote Clem, Kaito and Fire with no hint of associatives to any of them, which is pretty much what you’d expect from either town or an SK, except he sounds to genuine and solvey to be SK.-
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I'm not talking about your read on Kaito, I'm talking about you saying that I should be voting him and that you're suspecting me for not voting him, which makes no fucking sense if you actually read D1, but sureIn post 3028, Nero Cain wrote:My scumread on Katio has zero to do with my beef with Wisdom and you keep acting like I'm only pushing him to go against Wisdom is wrong and scummy.
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That's more than enoughIn post 3051, Jingle wrote:If someone could catch me up that'd be swell. I've read approximately half a page.-
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Thanks. There was a night that nobody died and Clem didn't claim who he protected (if he actually did) that could be the time they were recruited. Not killing a night just to create wifom about a fake traitor is suboptimal.In post 3133, Nero Cain wrote:
they shoot at him.In post 3126, Pink Ball wrote:How does the traitor thing works? How does the scumteam recruits a traitor?
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Oh that would make the no kill night no sense from the scumteam thenIn post 3135, Nero Cain wrote:though in a normal game traitor are unrecruitable.-
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Yeah I agree with Nancy there, but why having a willbooster if there's no scum roleblocker?
P-edit yeah that's what I was thinking Wisdom, but if you can't be recruited then it doesn't make sense. What we have to decide now is if there is indeed a scum roleblocker or not. If there is, Kaito isn't scum. If there isn't, Kaito would be my best bet as the remaining scum (assuming there's only one remaining)-
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My heart says Creature, but my brain says Jingle. I don't trust my heart, he's a whiny little bitchIn post 3484, Wisdom wrote:
why so passiveIn post 3479, Pink Ball wrote:Just wanted to remind you guys that Creature made a townbloc on D1 and he scumread sheep sincr a long time ago. Hopefully this helps to solve who is scum
who do you think is scum-
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In post 252, Creature wrote:
Huh what?In post 171, Alchemist21 wrote:Townreads so far:
Frozen Angel
Sheepsaysmeep
Davesaz
Creature
FirebringerIn post 780, Creature wrote:
Thanks for the defense, but not buying the pocketing.In post 714, sheepsaysmeep wrote:fa take a step back for a second
you should know that really creature doesnt engage you like this as wolfI talked about this, Wisdom. My gut says Creature for how he began posting this day, but my mind reminded me of how Creature was playing on D1 and it seems pretty obvious that he's town. He asks Alchemist about his townreads on a flipped scum and sheep, he doesn't include any of the flipped scums into his townpool and keeps saying sheep is scum.
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Five if you include me. And putting Clem into a reduced townlist doesn't make sense from a scum PoV. So townread on Creature is bigger than any setup discussion I could make to myself. 'cause if you ask me, the back up rolecop sounds worse than the willbooster, 'cause too much town power. But that could mean scum has more power than what we thought and the game's not over if Jingle flips red-
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Because you said it was between Creature and Jingle. I have no bigger reasoning behind that. The theory of Fire knowing about the Millers and FA fakeckaiming Miller is the one I most like, but you said that one of Creature and Jingle is lying about their role.In post 3529, Wisdom wrote:
ok, why is jingle scum?In post 3523, Pink Ball wrote:I talked about this, Wisdom. My gut says Creature for how he began posting this day, but my mind reminded me of how Creature was playing on D1 and it seems pretty obvious that he's town. He asks Alchemist about his townreads on a flipped scum and sheep, he doesn't include any of the flipped scums into his townpool and keeps saying sheep is scum.-
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In post 5, Pink Ball wrote:Hey! alright now! alright now, fellas!
Yea?
Now, what cooler than being cool?
Ice cold!
I can't hear ya! I say what's, what's cooler than being cool?
Ice cold!
Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright!
VOTE: Firebringer 'cause he's melting my iceIn post 2718, Pink Ball wrote:Yeah sure. I got demotivated after D1 'cause my reads were bad and I've been following whoever I think is making more sense since that, and that has worked fine 'cause I would've never voted Elsa if I was going after my reads. So if you want to scumread for being a sheep, go on, I have enough town equity from D1 to do whatever floats my boat.In post 2720, Pink Ball wrote:
? I'm not a non-entity, I've been changing my vote whenever I think it's needed. I'm letting people more able than me to solve the game. If that's not helping, I don't know what is. And the free shade about being demotivated is plain stupid, since I don't have any info to know if we're close to a solve.In post 2719, Nero Cain wrote:ohh scary.
so you had some bad reads. That doesn't give a license to be a non-entity. Also, town are close to a solve so TOWN being demotivated is a strange thing I guess. Thoughts and feelings on the game right now?
You don't have a license to discuss if you didn't read the whole thread, how about that?In post 2722, Pink Ball wrote:Ah, that sounds better. I'm following Wisdom right now, despite my desire to believe he's scum. He got Elsa lynched and I trust his reads more than mine. I voted Kaito before he stated he believes Kaito is town this day
Here. I said I won't push you even if you're wrong tooIn post 2724, Pink Ball wrote:I was the first one to call Maki scum, so I wouldn't blame him. I know kt sounds like setting up a mislynch, but we have to know Clem's alignment first to know that so that discussion isn't needed right now. Also I'd probably not push Wisdom if Clem is town.
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I'm profiting off your correct reads, Wisdom. I never wanted an Elsa lynch and even if I had Fire on my first scumleans, you were the one who got him. You have a huge ego and you know it; why someone following you makes you doubt?In post 3541, Wisdom wrote:
molla and kaito have their own thoughtsIn post 3536, Pink Ball wrote:They can. I've been blindly sheeping you and I have been pretty explicit about that. Why are you concerned now?
you're just sheeping
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I did the exact same thing yesterday and you had no problems with it. You're not answering my question.In post 3547, Wisdom wrote:because you're not providing your own thoughts
everyone else gave their thoughts about the setup and justified them (well except nancy who is just ignoring the setup and is stubbornly insisting on her soul reads)
youre just going "whatever its creature or jingle because people seem to think so"
And I provided my thoughts: I'm townreading Creature, I think setup wise that BBmolla is more likely scum, but I think your reasoning about Creature/Jingle makes sense and I'm following it, as I've been doing since forever. You're starting to piss me off-
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I was pointing out how off I've been this game so the optimal course of action is follow whoever I think is carrying the game, but now the carry thinks that's scum motivated. I'm still townreading both of them.In post 3553, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.In post 3548, Pink Ball wrote:I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.
Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?-
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I think I've done it at least four times. The scumteam was informed about the millers, fa fakeclaimed, BBmolla is a scum PR, can't confirm what 'cause I think Clem roleblocked you, but still could be a roleblocker since we have a claimed Willbooster. That's my take on the gamestate, and my other take is that Nancy, Creature and you are all town (and Nero obviously) and that your reads have been better than mine and you are overall better than me for solving this particular game, so even if I have my own take on the gamestate, I have to be humble about it and think that your take is better than mine.In post 3556, Wisdom wrote:i dont want you to stop following me
i want you to explain to me in your own thoughts what gamestate you are seeing here and who is scum
you're still not doing that
If you keep going with this fuckery you're going to make me cry, Wisdom. What else do you want from me, be more specific if you still think I'm not providing what you're asking me to give-
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Yes, exactly. Having the opportunity to fakeclaim a Miller until the informed scum flips is OP; a bunch of millers is not townsided; Makis role is full of WIFOM because of millers; a backup rolecop is useless jntil the rolecop dies; willbooster sounds meh; and Clem is the only cool PR we had. This setup doesn't seem townsided to me, seems like how things resolved made it pro town-
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Elsa said "yeah, we're informed you exist" in case Firebringer was lynched and flipped "informed goon" in order to make us believe that was the piece of info they got instead of the existence of millers. There's no traitor and one Miller is scum. And I could go further and say that Elsa had three partners instead of two since she said "my teammates are redacted and redacted" to make us believe she had only two partners instead of three.In post 2468, Elsa Jay wrote:Ehh, this is fine anyway. Might as well bail out while I can. Lead Town to victory, Clem. I know you can do it.
My teammates are [Redacted] and [Redacted]. I wish them luck.
VOTE: Elsa Jay
PS: Too the Traitor: Yeah, we're informed you exist. So just do whatever your doing and try not to get shot by us. Considering this is probably the only time you get open communication with the main scum team, I feel likes it's good for you too know.
I was promised Ariel and Mermaids but all I got was a grumpy Barnacle in Wisdom.
I want my money back.
So yes, I believe BBmolla is scum, and if the game doesn't end when he flips red, then Kaito is the remaining scum.-
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Actually Jingle, I think you're somewhat confscum for proposing the no lynch. If you really think there's two scum remaining, lynching today is far better than tomorrow, since Nero is conftown and he will be certainly killed tomorrow so the LyLo would be better for scum in this case; only one wrong vote on town and they quick lynch. They need two wrong votes in this situation.-
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It's not indistinguishable; MyLo needs two wrong votes, LyLo needs one. Nero said exactly what I said: he would probably the nightkill and would be useless to no lynch today. And he's wrong: Creature rolecopping someone would've nice at some point before LyLo, but that didn't happen. We won't lynch someone based on Creature's result 'cause he still could be scum and we don't have a lynch to spare to confirm that.
So no, no lynch guarantees the death of Nero, and my point still stands: the scumteam would need only one wrong vote to win instead of two. I don't want to vote Kaito in case it's you and Creature; on LyLo, you just need Nancy to vote him. This is just an example, of course. I think it's you and Kaito. But I want you dead first.
VOTE: Jingle-
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That's the point: Creature could be roleblocked and that's good WIFOM material for LyLo.
P-edit even if they don't focus on you, they could focus on me and trust you'll vote me. Let's agree that, if we are right about Jingle/Kaito they have to do whatever they can to survive at this point, since town is agreeing on them. @Creature-
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Jingle shading me with the kindergarden comment is scum. Bye.
I understand your point, but you're talking about something I haven't commented and you keep avoiding that: you need two wrong votes here, you need one wrong vote in LyLo, and since we have a conftown that won't be tomorrow, it's better for scum to go to LyLo. So you shading me and trying to depict me as an idiot when I wasn't talking about maths is scummy as fuck.-
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Jingle, if you're town and there are two scum remaining, Kaito + Creature will be confirmed as not the scumteam. That would mean either A) you're scum, B) scum is voting you, or C) there's only one scum remaining. From my PoV, B) would only be possible if Nancy is scum, and even after losing to scum!Nancy recently, I couldn't be more sure she's town here. So either we got you, or the game doesn't end with your lynch-
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Ok, if you don't get lynched when Kaito and Creature post together... Same point, dude.In post 3823, Jingle wrote:
The fact that you have a buffer vote in MYLO is meaningless, unless you're assuming people are dumb enough to allow for quickhammering in MYLO.In post 3818, Pink Ball wrote:Jingle shading me with the kindergarden comment is scum. Bye.
I understand your point, but you're talking about something I haven't commented and you keep avoiding that: you need two wrong votes here, you need one wrong vote in LyLo, and since we have a conftown that won't be tomorrow, it's better for scum to go to LyLo. So you shading me and trying to depict me as an idiot when I wasn't talking about maths is scummy as fuck.
And no, the fact that people who haven't been in thread haven't quickhammered is not proof of anything.
Also Nancy, the whole refusing to reevaluate bit? That kinda just proves my point.
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Lovely that you're quoting the guy who wanted you dead the most are you frustrated because we are right for the wrong reasons?In post 3825, Jingle wrote:
Hopefully you'll actually listen in the postgame.In post 3671, Wisdom wrote:what you actually need to do is to not read previous posts wanting them to make sense with a particular scenario you have in mind, because you can twist nearly everything into making sense with whatever you want. You are prone to doing this all the time.
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Hey I just realized that Jingle has been on L-1 since Nancy's vote 'cause Kaito voted Jingle at the very begining of the day. So Creature is conftown from my PoV then, the only way Jingle flips town is a Kaito/Nancy team or that there's only one scum remaining and it's not Jingle. If it's the first case, I again lose fair and square to scum!Nancy, and if it's the latter, we lynch Kaito tomorrow and we win too. Like, my only reason to unvote Jingle would be voting Kaito, jut then it would be the same two circumstances for Kaito to be town: either it's Jingle/Nancy or it's Jingle alone. So let's just lynch Jingle 'cause he would be the PR of the team-
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Don't worry Nancy my doubts right now include you as town always. I have thought two alternatives: Creature is the remaining scum because Wisdom's point about Gamma using the Willbooster role is very likely true, and Willbooster doesn't make sense as scum; and the second alternative is that Kaito is an SK who decided to go incognito mode until the very end of the game, but an SK with 3 scum sounds unbalanced for scum so there could be 4, but that would mean Kaito SK, Jingle and Creature scum and town lose if we lynch today (if we lynch scum!Jingle, scum!Creature shoots Nero and then we can't win because either SK!Kaito or scum!Creature goes to endgame), but if we no-lynch we force SK!Kaito to shoot scum because scum would win with two remaining townies, but the result would be the same and town would lose. Oh, realized while I was writting that, if Kaito is an SK, town already lost lol so let's be positive and assume we still have a chance to win.
So my only concern is Jingle being the Willbooster claim and Creature is the only remaining scum. As Kaito said, if Jingle is town and the game continues, Kaito is conftown. But between Jingle and Creature, I still think it's Jingle-
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The only way that could be true is Kaito partnered with me or Nancy and I've already stated that's impossible from my PoV. Or Nancy partnered with me but I haven't seen nobody think of thatIn post 3936, Jingle wrote:
Or, more likely, if Jingle is town and gets lynched, the game ends in a scumwin.In post 3931, Pink Ball wrote:As Kaito said, if Jingle is town and the game continues, Kaito is conftown.-
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