Newbie 1916: Epic Music [Game Over!]

[u r a person 2]

lol

before this goes somewhere I'd prefer to avoid, I want to be crystal clear here

If you're town, and you're faking this for information you need to retract your claim right now. Not tomorrow, not in 10 posts. Right. Now.

[u r a person 2]

So in your next post decide if you want to continue down this path

[teacher]

Nice work good. With that, I’m willing to put cash on catstar. I’ll pens out a cc though.

[u r a person 2]

teacher, I'd like good's response to be the next post in this thread if you don't particularly mind

[teacher]

Kk.

[good]

nope im cop

[good]

and with that i'm going to sleep

[Clemency]

1 for 1 trade if good is lying
1 for 1's are nearly always good for town
VOTE: u r a person 2

[u r a person 2]

okieee

VOTE: good

In reality, I am the cop

And I have a green check on flippy

I've never been lynched on this site, I don't plan on having it happen now.

Flippy was an obvious choice for me - Low content, somewhat scummy, but he was basically sheeping me making the read confused.

Why would town!you investigate me?

[u r a person 2]

Clem, if for nothing else than my pride I'm asking you to read back and make an educated read on this

[Clemency]

UNVOTE:
i didn't see the whole of page 12 sorry
i trust u r a person 2's claim more

[u r a person 2]

I'd ask the same of you, teacher, and everyone else. Yes, a one for one trade is fine, but it still leaves town in 3 way lylo

On the other hand, lynching good today results in 4v1

[teacher]

Urap - crumb?

I’m mobile but will reread tonight. Off the cuff, I have to admit I’m inclined towards believing good over urap for a variety of reasons. Either way one of you is eating rope today and the other, if necessary, tomorrow.

[u r a person 2]

Urap - crumb?

I’m mobile but will reread tonight. Off the cuff, I have to admit I’m inclined towards believing good over urap for a variety of reasons. Either way one of you is eating rope today and the other, if necessary, tomorrow.

no crumbs

I can point you to another couple pr games without crumbs if that would be meaningful

I also have a cop game where I did crumb, but that was my first game on site

[teacher]

No need. I read your meta last game after I saw the COP attempt to attract the nightjull.

I get the flippy investigation and it makes sense. I just don’t get the gambit by Good.

[teacher]

I’m also worried about scum bussing to establish one of the two as “conf!town” so need to do some setup thinking as well.

[teacher]

We should consider a mass claim later today

I want to read through the thread again first, tho

Why hidden cop propose massclaim?

[u r a person 2]

2 vt dead in a newbie setup

There is a pretty good shot that any given newbies gets to a nearly mechanical solve after mass claim

[u r a person 2]

2 vt dead in a newbie setup

There is a pretty good shot that any given newbies gets to a nearly mechanical solve after mass claim

Consider Cop+tracker or Cop+Nea, for instance

[u r a person 2]

It actually might be still good. I haven't considered what a cc situation means for mass claim

my instincts say not to do it until this is resolved however. tomorrow it will probably be a good idea regardless of who is lynched today

[Skellen]

im the cop, u r a person 2 is a member of the mafia.
boom bang

Heh, good one! I like your choice the more because that clears two slots I was planning to examine more for Day 2 anyway. I just would have wished that you would hold back the claim for longer so that urap would have posted for longer unaware of your investigation so that we would get more clues to find his partner. However we have now the counterclaim situation.

One question though. You were planning on making a case on roomy for Day 2 according to #259. What canged your mind that you would take urap over roomy?

That aside I am also more inclined to believe good over urap. urap's claim sounds logical, but good has the advantage of claiming first. The only scenario where I could see good being scum would be us being in column B and scum has the Rolecop and investigated Cop!urap and decided to lynch him via quick fake claim. But then it would have been easier to just wait for the next night and kill urap off as in column B there is no danger of a doctor or jailkeeper that could prevent the kill as there the Cop only works with the tracker. And Cop!urap would reveal his night result anyway to town if he would be forced to counterclaim. Yeah, I see no reason why it would be a smart move to do this, at the moment I think believing good's claim seems to be the right choice.
Or is this actually a legit tactic used by scum to snipe out power roles at day? I still think it's dumb. And urap's posts at Day 1 don't give me the vibes of him being a PR (and cop, so that scum could guess it to do this).

[u r a person 2]

I don't know if it's a widely considered course of action

but let's say we're in column a. There are a couple of setups that can nearly solve themselves after a couple vt kills and decent investigations. It's probably not terrible to preemptively claim in those situations.

But I'm not going to try to get into good's head. There are a thousand bad reasons they could have made the claim

I had it at a 50/50 shot that good was vt trying to make a play

[teacher]

This cannot be SvS because of jailkeepers. Of course, any jail keeper should claim immediately.

Whichever one is gambiting, the existence of the gambit suggests we are likely in column A with a role blocker, so no mass claim makes sense.

Urap s day open noting roomy’s flip reads seems inconsistent with a flip investigation. If he had that info as town, I think he’d wait to see who pushed Flip based on Roomys reads.

I’m pretty far gone into believing good, but I do want him to say why he investigated URAP and why he claimed so fast.

[u r a person 2]

Urap s day open noting roomy’s flip reads seems inconsistent with a flip investigation. If he had that info as town, I think he’d wait to see who pushed Flip based on Roomys reads.

uh i noted the dead vt's reads on flippy

and on myself

and i stopped there because they were factually inaccurate.

This is me in the dead thread if you get this wrong

[u r a person 2]

I'm gonna just leave this for a bit but put some effort into this one