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[Vedith]

I further theorize that he doesn't want to push me for my interactions with Lich for fear of being labeled a hypocrite himself

Well that's a given.
I disagree with what you said though about setup. I do not ever see 1shot PT cop being in the game with a Miller claim as the counter.
There's more I want to discuss on this later and to why I think you claimed Miller.

[DrDolittle]

PT Cop and Miller has a special interaction, he is a type of cop that can investigate me after I've claimed miller and get an innocent result on me.

When I see PT Cop, the first thing I think of is that one of a neighborhood, neighborizor, or masons exists in the game to mess with the results. And so I think that that is likely in this game, and that that is another part of the reason a 1-shot pt cop is in the game. In case none of these roles exist, I posit that from a setup speculation/mechanical viewpoint, it actually means my claim of miller is a town claim. If I have the only role in the game that interacts with a PT cop in a way separate from a normal cop, that indicates that my role is the reason for his role, and therefore that I'm being truthful about my role.

To put it a simpler way, I argue that a 1-shot PT cop isn't something that gets thrown into a game to confuse people with it's confusion, it's not used as a red herring - it must have some form of special interaction with another role that warrants its inclusion over a regular cop.

Or you know, a 1-shot cop could be thrown into a game to make it balanced when a normal cop is too op.

this is the crap that doesn't make me want to read walls.

[DrDolittle]

hey vedith you think it's a an informed goon that's why?

[DrDolittle]

I still want a hopkirk lynch fwiw.

[Vedith]

hey vedith you think it's a an informed goon that's why?

No not that, plus I think it would say he was informed?
So Lich never once mentioned Yumeko. Originally I was wondering if they were connected and there was no reason to talk to/about Yumeko.
To me it suggests that Yumeko is not being mentioned for a reason. That's because there's 2 scum and a traitor. Yumeko is a traitor.
I thought it was reaching but with the whole "The PT cop would show I'm not scum" shit makes me strongly believe this. I think the positives for scum outweigh the negatives for claiming Miller. Also explains the lack of interaction to prevent focus about the claim.

[xwing]

i read the setup stuff, but it all went over my head.. @_@
i can at least confirm that what vedith stated about TL not interacting at all with yumeko is true..
TL mentioned/replied to everyone else at least once..

[RadiantCowbells]

iiiiiiiinteresting

[DrDolittle]

thats maybe too much hoops to jump through.
tbh yumeko posted like 3 times last day

[RadiantCowbells]

vedith that is one of the most insightful posts i have ever seen anyone make in a mafia game

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm like

pretty damn sure you're right

and i think that if you're right that spews the final scum

[RadiantCowbells]

let the record show tho

that i came up with it first

when i said i just realized something

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm fairly certain its yumeko traitor mary saotome final scum btw

[DrDolittle]

I don't get it. But I'm willing to sheep.

[RadiantCowbells]

miller claim + the way yumeko keeps talking to Mary + mary being one of the few people who i think makes a dannflor kill last night

or if you mean specifically the yumeko traitor thing, it's because of the way yumeko kept saying hey I'm not wolf with TL because if I was I would have been talking in scumchat not thread

it does really look like someone trying to coach a scumpartner into producing useful content in a way that suggests no day chat and the 1 way interactinos yumeko -> mary look like someone trying to make themselves known

[RadiantCowbells]

note that all of this is heavily dependent on yumeko actually flipping scum

[xwing]

i've read traitor in the wiki..it will show up as an innocent when cop investigated right..though they are red aligned..
otoh miller is town that will show up as guilty when investigated..so why claim this, then say that she will show up innocent when investigated? im a bit confused..

[RadiantCowbells]

i've read traitor in the wiki..it will show up as an innocent when cop investigated right..though they are red aligned..
otoh miller is town that will show up as guilty when investigated..so why claim this, then say that she will show up innocent when investigated? im a bit confused..

it's a way of claiming traitor to the scumteam.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get it. But I'm willing to sheep.

I get it, am kinda willing to sheep, but would like to know the full case (again if it's been presented already) too.

[Lovebird]

Why yumeko

Temporal Lich, Mafia Goon, was lynched Day 1.

Dannflor died during the night. He was a Town JOAT (1-PT Cop, 1-Doctor, 1-Commuter)

I'm a miller!

Doesn't match up so far.

Idk. It could be just we don't know enough yet. Seems early to say that

[xwing]

I understand that it is site meta to claim miller in your first post when you are one, so I'll acknowledge it, yes, you've caught me, I'm a miller!

Mary Saotome, it's good to see you again. Let's work hard to undermine any opposing factions together.

i like the theory a lot, RC (vedith said it first but i understood RC's explanation more..but brownie points for both of you okay..shared credit )

if i use that thinking reasoning, yumeko's very first post above seems to be trying to make mary acknowledge her as one of whatever mary's alignment is..implied by "let's work hard.....together"..
and the use of "any opposing factions" instead of scum..

i ignored this because i thought they were posting in character (with the jap-sounding names and anime girl avis and all) and they seemed like they've played together before..
anyway, im already voting yumeko sooooo yeah..let's see how this goes..

i've read traitor in the wiki..it will show up as an innocent when cop investigated right..though they are red aligned..
otoh miller is town that will show up as guilty when investigated..so why claim this, then say that she will show up innocent when investigated? im a bit confused..

it's a way of claiming traitor to the scumteam.

i still dont get how/why though..but we can save the discussion later to avoid cluttering the thread..

[Lovebird]

I guess DDL can be town

[Lovebird]

I think Gamma ignored and tried to get alternatives to lich wagon all of day one, but when it looks like he's dying anyways he hammers for credit.

How

What do you mean how? How what?

How did you try to get alternative wagons? I think you focused on Yume and maybe Mary and hammer comes out of nowhere.

It's the progression

[Lovebird]

yeah he's part-time, he only cops 1 night a week

Weekend Cop. That'd be a good role

why would there be a miller at all w/o a cop

I was in a game with miller and no cop.

[Lovebird]

ok
SO

i think it's... basically impossible that scum knew dannflor was a PR

i think he was shot generally for asserting that scum was in the pool of people

resisting

the wagon

It could be. Maybe, he was just shot because scum think he's a strong townie, and they can't lynch him.

[Lovebird]

I wonder why you're assuming there was a bus in the first place, why not look towards some of the people not voting at all?

Is it often there's a scum lynch day one without bussing?