Prey Mafia - Game Over

[Persivul]

1. I targeted BEF and got not a phantom.

2. I had no problem with a chara/skitter town bloc, but then yesterday A50 somehow wormed himself into it. They decide we're having mass claim, but when it gets to A50's turn, they decide we no longer need to mass claim. I've never seen that happen before. I need to go back and see who first said that the bloc didn't need to claim. I was going to raise this point yesterday, but...

3. That lynch happened unusually fast.

[Persivul]

@skitter: If you see this before you do, please do NOT claim.

I just LOVE to mess with scum's thoughts.

@skitter: If you see this before you do, please do NOT claim.

I just LOVE to mess with scum's thoughts.

you think i oughtn't claim?

(i'm like three pages behind still but i'm keeping vague tabs on this page)

[Varsoon]

So you're just assuming Phantom is not goon cop, then, but limited flavor-cop that catches like 1 scum?

[Persivul]

2. who on earth comes up with a day-motivating-neighborizer claim as scum and then *puts themselves in a position to fuck up using it and make themselves look bad* by not being able to verify it when he could have claimed like anything else on the planet, like vt or something

Can you clarify your position on this? It seems like you're saying that the role makes no sense as a fake claim...yet does make sense as a real town role. Mod gave fakeclaims. If a role makes sense to you as real for town, then it should also make sense as a mod-supplied fake claim for scum. That's the point of mod fake claims.

[Varsoon]

If it's a fake-claim, it makes plenty of sense for it to actually be something like
Disloyal Neighborizor with Motivator attached.
Or even
Traitor Neighborizor with Motivator attached.
Actually fuck that second one is good shit, tucking that away for a future game.

[Varsoon]

Mmm yes a game where everyone has like 5 one-shot abilities and there's a bulletproof traitor neighborizor motivator. Mmyes.

[Persivul]

if bef was scum why did the wagon go from him to implosion

Probably because you and chara have the nost town cred and went on implosion:

VC 3.12

[4] BrightEyedFish:

Elbirn, Persivul, Almost50, Varsoon

[2] implosion:

Chara, skitter30

[1] Persivul:

implosion

[2] Not Voting:

BrightEyedFish, mcqueen

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 3 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-21 19:00:00)

Spoiler:

From: Alex Yu
To: Sylvain Bellamy
Cc:
Subject: Morgan's Solutions
Over the past several tests Morgan has used different solutions to the same problem, even though we've been controlling every possible variable. Room A, for example. In Test 9 he/she exercised precise control to move the boxes one at a time. In Test 10 he/she simultaneously levitated them all straight up a few inches, technically completing the test. Then, in 14 he/she incinerated them. If not for the safety glass, you'd be dead.
What is happening after reset that's leading to this variance?
-Alex

If bef is town, why didn't implosion hammer when he had the chance? (TBF I haven't checked to see if imp was online during the L-1 on fish.)

[Persivul]

OK...

I am the FlexyFoam Guy. It is NOT an alignment thing (i.e. I am neither Loyal nor Disloyal). I hit Percy, Elbrin & BEF, and I though Percy was scummy for not claiming it. He said he was Roleblocked, which should not have prevented my shotn from going through (since it's not a kill), AND I couldn't have been RB'd myself.

Why couldn't you have been roleblocked?

[Persivul]

Btw, I'm still hoping this FlexiFoam is more than just a "fruit" I deliver at random, but I wasn't told much about it in my role PM. Based on Varsoon's explanation though I wouldn't be surprised if it paved the way for a Vig to shoot someone and they only die if they have it on them, which is why I want to lynch mcqueen over both Elbrin & BEF anyway.

If mcqueen is scum (and I think he is)

we are good. If he is somehow town, and there's such a Vig, then they know where to shoot already.

You think mcqueen is scum? What changed from:

VOTE: mcqueen
UNVOTE:

OK. IF this wasn't hammer then I'm ready to move on.

You don't give scum a LOVED modifier

, and you don't make a TOWNIE voteless on top of that. Varsoon & mcqueen are definitely the same alignment.(I mean, if mcqueen is indeed loved)

(I mostly agreed with 1839 BTW.)

[Persivul]

yeah the motivation was basically for me then
(or implosion)

i don't believe that's a scum fake-claim

Again - why not? If a role makes sense as provided to town by the mod, it necessarily also makes sense as a fake claim provided to scum by mod. I don't see how you don't get this point.

[Persivul]

I think I believe A50's claim for now. Back to BEF VOTE: BEF

How is fruit vendor AI?

[Persivul]

So you're just assuming Phantom is not goon cop, then, but limited flavor-cop that catches like 1 scum?

I'm assuming that only one scum is a phantom, otherwise I'd have limited shots. I'm not assuming whether that scum has a power or not.

[Varsoon]

Alright, so who do you think the remaining scum are?
You seem to be implying BEF is an implosion partner but I'm not seeing a vote there.
Do you think it's probable that implosion just... wasn't around to hammer town-BEF? Or maybe that implosion saw the BEF wagon and didn't hammer because he figured it'd end in him getting turbo-lynched the next day?

[Persivul]

Alright, so who do you think the remaining scum are?

rn I think BEF is non-phantom scum. Phantom scum is someone I haven't pressured much yet, so that's changing.

You seem to be implying BEF is an implosion partner but I'm not seeing a vote there.

With chara/skitter leading on implo, yes, a bus is possible there. Considering the speed of that wagon it's very possible. Five town coming together that quickly seems unlikely.

Do you think it's probable that implosion just... wasn't around to hammer town-BEF? Or maybe that implosion saw the BEF wagon and didn't hammer because he figured it'd end in him getting turbo-lynched the next day?

Possible, but my read on BEF isn't based on those wagons, it's based on the fact that he wanted my head D2 but then wanted nothing to do with me after the zito lynch.

[Almost50]

1. I targeted BEF and got not a phantom.

THANK YOU! (Can I kiss you??)

[Almost50]

Why couldn't you have been roleblocked?

Because you bloody were? Unless you think there are 2 Roleblockers in play!

[Persivul]

Why couldn't you have been roleblocked?

Because you bloody were? Unless you think there are 2 Roleblockers in play!

1. You were speaking of your mindset at D2. I said I got a no result. A no result can be caused by things other than RBs. So, no, you didn't know I was roleblocked at that point.

2. Yes, actually we've had two of them flip already. Multiple RBs (including a JK as an RB as you are) aren't uncommon. You know that.

[Almost50]

You think mcqueen is scum? What changed

Did a search and found:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=78019

This game had a "Vengeful Loved Prankster" role.

Also came across this post by Dino: viewtopic.php?p=10141169#p10141169

The statement clearly suggests nothing wrong in making a goon loved (i.e. scum could have a Loved Modifier).

Regardless of what you/I think, it seems like some mods feel it's OK to make anti-Town roles Loved.

[Almost50]

1. You were speaking of your mindset at D2. I said I got a no result. A no result can be caused by things other than RBs. So, no, you didn't know I was roleblocked at that point.

Mate.. if I was Roleblocked then you wouldn't have been, and if you haven't been blocked you would get a result on me even if I was RB'd. The fact you didn't get a result on me = YOU were RB'd regardless. What was confusing me was if you were RB'd that doesn't stop MY action from resolving on you. Got it yet?

[Almost50]

(including a JK as an RB as you are

As I am?

[Persivul]

Mate.. if I was Roleblocked then you wouldn't have been, and if you haven't been blocked you would get a result on me even if I was RB'd. The fact you didn't get a result on me = YOU were RB'd regardless. What was confusing me was if you were RB'd that doesn't stop MY action from resolving on you. Got it yet?

No, I don't. Why couldn't one of us have been jailed and the other blocked?

[Persivul]

(including a JK as an RB as you are

As I am?

Yes. You say I was blocked N1 when it appears I was jailed.

[Persivul]

Did a search and found:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=78019

This game had a "Vengeful Loved Prankster" role.

I was in that game. It was over-the-top bastard. It's not precedent for this game.

Also came across this post by Dino: viewtopic.php?p=10141169#p10141169

The statement clearly suggests nothing wrong in making a goon loved (i.e. scum could have a Loved Modifier).

This is one person saying maybe he'd do it.

Regardless of what you/I think, it seems like some mods feel it's OK to make anti-Town roles Loved.

It seems more like you're reaching far and wide to try to support a read change.

[Almost50]

Mate.. if I was Roleblocked then you wouldn't have been, and if you haven't been blocked you would get a result on me even if I was RB'd. The fact you didn't get a result on me = YOU were RB'd regardless. What was confusing me was if you were RB'd that doesn't stop MY action from resolving on you. Got it yet?

No, I don't. Why couldn't one of us have been jailed and the other blocked?

Because I BLOODY didn't know there was a Blocker AND a Jailer at that BLOODY POINT. That's NOT the first BLOODY thing you think of.

[Almost50]

(including a JK as an RB as you are

As I am?

Yes. You say I was blocked N1 when it appears I was jailed.

And what id the effect of the JK on you? Huh? What does that do to your action??