Open 748: Jungle Republic - Over!

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

just a reminder that we are at 4t/3m/2w
we no longer have the majority. I say we lynch Bambi just to get a scum out of the way

I don't like this pop-in. I don't recall the Hydra taking part in any plans yesterday, they silently supported a No-Lynch; this post kinda reads as that they decided on this agenda overnight

allo has always wanted this but we kinda convinced him otherwise (you can see it mentioned in some of our older posts)

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

or not rally convinced him just quieted him

[BuJaber]

1. Considering seer is alive, Mafia are more dangerous than wolves at the moment.

2. The usefulness of two seer 'innos' depends on who gets lynched imo. So if seer has a guilty they should claim, but not if they have 2 innos yet.

3. If we're hypoing this time we better do it early enough so everyone can do it, or not do it at all.

4. I wasn't convinced by roster or A50's math for the reasons I outlined and still believe no lynch yesterday serves mafia's interests. I'm assuming there were at least 1 but probably 2 mafia voting for no lynch.

I'll be looking primarily at those players, focusing in particular on bambi who claimed mafia, A50 who was the main proponent of NL, at least the most vocal one, and Auro who switched his opinion at a critical time to hammer it.

There's something in particular I'm looking for in your scum games Auro, but I asked basically because of the above. I haven't had time to read through em yet though.

[Thanos]

@BuJ: From what you're saying, you want today's lynch to be on Mafia and not WW?

[Auro]

@BuJ: From what you're saying, you want today's lynch to be on Mafia and not WW?

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[brassherald]

I would like to point out that at this point the WWs really need to work with town. The mafia will soon have majority otherwise. Like, WWs need to stop being stupid and help the town to have a chance to win

[brassherald]

What I'm saying is that WWs, even if seer outs today, you need to shoot mafia 100% to win. I hate instructing scum factions this way, but I want to make sure the WWs know that they will lose if they kill town tonight

[Auro]

So I take it you believe Bambi Jay isn't Mafia?

[Auro]

Oh, okay - you want to lynch a wolf and have the other shoot mafia tonight. Yeah, that's optimal.

[brassherald]

Oh, okay - you want to lynch a wolf and have the other shoot mafia tonight. Yeah, that's optimal.

Exactly.

[brassherald]

In fact, I'm going to make this statement to whomever the Seer is, I would encourage you to out yourself even if you have two innos.

I really think that, at this time, we at least lynch outside of the Seer innos if that's the case. If we can hit WW today, the other WW basically has to act as a Town Vig or have no chance at all of winning, killing the Seer would just seal WW's fate after that because the mafia will control the lynch and just try to lynch the other WW. I want a WW acting as town Vig and helping us out.

I'm not going to blow smoke up the WW's asses and say I'm going to let them win, but the priority will become finding mafia if they will work with town, and maybe the WW can dodge the Seer and avoid wolfreads enough to eke out a win.

[brassherald]

And I end this little plea of how I believe town should win by saying that in a long line of my crazy overthinking theories in mafia games, this may be the first actual good plan I have.

[rosterfoster]

I agree completely with BH's plan. I also agree that the Seer should out (unless you somehow managed to hit dead twice). If we focus on the wolves, you're safe from NK at least tonight, as wolves MUST kill mafia to avoid losing. There's a reasonable chance that they can do this - Egix/McQueen are good bets for Mafia I think. And one other, who I'm not doing a good job of finding. Maybe the hydra.

I think Bambi/Auro is the wolf team. I feel more sure about Bambi than Auro - that forgetting about the Seer thing felt genuine to me, and IDK if a wolf would do that. But they might do if they're trying to think in town mode. I feel very strongly that the mafia-claiming was trying to WIFOM us as much as possible.

So VOTE: Bambi

[Bambi Jay]

Guess I have to outright say it instead of quote myself: I claimed Mafia AS TOWN since otherwise I knew the Seer would waste a check on me. And I needed the Seer to be competent and clear others instead.

Is that really hard to understand?

[Egix96]

@Egix: Way to throw shade at four slots in two posts. In what world am I a wolf with my D2 play, waging an all out war against a likely townslot over a move that arguably benefits wolf!me?

I'm sure that me expressing my suspicions of multiple players is justified when 5/8 of the other players left in this game are scum.

I need to reread the whole game anyway so yeah, I'll make sure to keep your argument in mind.

[brassherald]

Is the hydra's membership public at all?

If not, hydra, have I played with any of your heads in the past. You don't need to claim whether I have or not, but I am trying to sort something out in my head before I talk about it out loud so that it makes a little bit of sense.

[brassherald]

I also want to hear more thoughts on my proposal to try to leash a werewolf. Preferably from the entire player list.

[Egix96]

Is the hydra's membership public at all?

If not, hydra, have I played with any of your heads in the past. You don't need to claim whether I have or not, but I am trying to sort something out in my head before I talk about it out loud so that it makes a little bit of sense.

Allo + Invis + vonflare + annadog. It's in the OP

I also want to hear more thoughts on my proposal to try to leash a werewolf. Preferably from the entire player list.

I don't really have a good idea of who the WWs are atm but we could give it a shot yes.

If you're a wolf though, feel free to tell me whenever

[Egix96]

@A50: Why do/did you think that BuJ might be a werewolf?

I think I have an idea but I want to be sure I understand.

[brassherald]

If you're a wolf though, feel free to tell me whenever

If I were a WW, I'd keep my mouth shut and would have either hit Seer or mafia by now.

The Vedith kill was just terrible, by the way, WWs.

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

Guess I have to outright say it instead of quote myself: I claimed Mafia AS TOWN since otherwise I knew the Seer would waste a check on me. And I needed the Seer to be competent and clear others instead.

Is that really hard to understand?

I don't buy this. Someone claiming Mafia would definitely raise red flags on the back of my neck if I were seer; I guarantee any reasonable seer who noticed that would've checked you N1. I don't see how this helps town, since it does more to draw an investigation than avoid one. The fact that we haven't have a seer claim a guilty on you means you're probably not WW, but I don't see town ever doing this.

[Bambi Jay]

Well you can't think outside the box then.

Someone claims mafia... Seer checks Werewolf. What dumbass checks a Mafia claim if they can only find Werewolves? It was the best townie desicion to make since I'm naturally scummy and Appearantly draw investigatives to me. So I directed to Seer to actually go somewhere else.

[Almost50]

As for BuJ, well out of this list he, brass and Jay most familiar with my play. Not shooting me for 2 successive nights =

the WWs know I'm not the Seer.

Otherwise, I should have been shot on N1.

I'm a little confused - if he's very familiar with your play, he's likely to NK you as Wolf - so not doing that implies he's not Wolf, right?

You're applying that logic to clear Jay from being Wolf; while when it comes to BuJ you say Wolves know you're not seer.



Interchange Jay with BuJ in your reasoning and why doesn't that hold?

Notice anything?

[Almost50]

Also I don't get why people think BH is town now

AFAIR all he's done this game is complain about the game not being fun, and tunnel me

Si, who do you think

is

town?

[Almost50]

@A50: Why do/did you think that BuJ might be a werewolf?

I think I have an idea but I want to be sure I understand.

I explained that. Suffice it to say I'm still alive points to it.