Newbie 1920: North America [Endgame]

[TheASC]

Better hope he's scum, or that the 2 awol players aren't.

Not sure what exactly it is that you're saying here. Are you saying that the two missing players would lynch me the second they have the chance if they're scum?

[GrandWazoo]

Better hope he's scum, or that the 2 awol players aren't.

Not sure what exactly it is that you're saying here. Are you saying that the two missing players would lynch me the second they have the chance if they're scum?

Correct-a-mundo.

[GrandWazoo]

It has no effect on the outcome

I strongly disagree.

If there are games that have been decided in RVS I've never played in one.

Not decided

That was the whole point of the basketball opening-tip analogy. Nobody remembers who won the opening tip by the 3d quarter, and nobody remembers RVS by D3.

[teacher]

It has no effect on the outcome

I strongly disagree.

If there are games that have been decided in RVS I've never played in one.

Not decided

That was the whole point of the basketball opening-tip analogy. Nobody remembers who won the opening tip by the 3d quarter, and nobody remembers RVS by D3.

thats when I find it useful. I think it has some of the best associative data after flips. Not as good as VCA, but better than later posts when scum strategies can be more developed.

[northsidegal]

VC 1.01

votes

[3] TheASC

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Skellen 16, Persivul 29, chennisden 30

[2] chennisden

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GrandWazoo 7, teacher 39

[1] Sekaedy

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TheASC 18

[1] teacher

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Zeito 36

[1] Zeito

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Sekaedy 41

[1] Not Voting

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Robb Stark

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-03-12 17:37:59)

Mod Notes

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[Skellen]

I wanted to wait a little for reactions

Meh. What kind of better reactions could you have hoped for with voting no lynch instead of pushing a person that is giving you scummy vibes? I mean you voted later when Persivul did the first step, but errrh... I don't understand the reluctance at first.

Yeah I'm not seeing a scum agenda here from ASC other than lamist-y posting, not unusual from newbie.

Can you explain what lamist means in this context with ASC? I know what it stands for, but after having read it several times (in both positive and negative ways, I think) I don't really get how it is supposed to get interpreted as it sounds like it can be judged in any way.

[Skellen]

It may seem like I'm defending TheASC here, and take away from that whatever you wish, obviously at this stage I have no idea whether they're scum or not and I'm not committing to any town read on them at this point. I personally voted Skellen mostly because they hadn't been voted yet, whether in fear of being seen as 'sheeping', or just seeing if I could get a reaction that hadn't been obtained yet. I assume TheASC may have done something similar. (Re-reading his post he actually said exactly that).

What imo is the difference between your (or any other) and ASC's vote is imo his need for justifying for shoving his vote in later after all the others immediately voted. Imo that wasn't even necessary as RVS is pretty arbitrarily as GW said in another post. It looks a little bit defensive for such a trivial matter. The vote itself is ok.

Then again, you know him probably better than most of us, would you say it's rather a clumsy newbslip by ASC or is that more out of character for him to explain/justify himself over such small things?

On another note one thing pings me off here though. Why were you afraid of "sheeping" in RVS? Or to put it the other way: afraid of what?

[Skellen]

Similar to Zeito, I wanted to get an input from all the players if possible. I thought this would be a good way to get one of the final 2 players active as I believe that the best way to win games like that is to get input from as many people as possible. If you get everyone talking, you can bounce ideas off each other and later on compare SRs etc.

I see. Happens that instead the talk is more about you though. So to look from another angle: what do you think of the wagon on you?

[Skellen]

@teacher:
What makes chennis for you easy

caught scum

? The timing of his vote?

Also were you satisfied with ASC's answer to your #20? Just wondered that you didn't persuade him further as I thought he gave a pretty generic response, which seemed kind of unusual for you to let him off the hook that fast.

[Zeito]

Better hope he's scum, or that the 2 awol players aren't.

Not sure what exactly it is that you're saying here. Are you saying that the two missing players would lynch me the second they have the chance if they're scum?

Correct-a-mundo.

Largely disagree with this, scum has no reason to quickhammer day 1, especially with both players quickhammering. Reading the wagon after he has flipped is something I will be doing, but I'm not going to get on him for now, as he has largely been pushed because of an RVS vote.

What imo is the difference between your (or any other) and ASC's vote is imo his need for justifying for shoving his vote in later after all the others immediately voted. Imo that wasn't even necessary as RVS is pretty arbitrarily as GW said in another post. It looks a little bit defensive for such a trivial matter. The vote itself is ok.

Then again, you know him probably better than most of us, would you say it's rather a clumsy newbslip by ASC or is that more out of character for him to explain/justify himself over such small things?

On another note one thing pings me off here though. Why were you afraid of "sheeping" in RVS? Or to put it the other way: afraid of what?

To answer your first question, his justification for placing an RVS later is maybe a little unnecessary, looking back. Although I would assume it's simply to clarify it was an RVS rather than a vote 'for no reason', it could also be overly cautious about placing an rvs. I generally distrust pmetas though, so I can't tell from my experience of games with him.

I put "sheeping" in quotation marks because sheeping wouldn't really exist in these early stages. I guess I mentioned it just because from my experience RVS votes are always spread across almost every player, and although this generally fails to generate much discussion without sheeping for pressure, it's still the most natural thing for me to do.

I wanted to wait a little for reactions

Meh. What kind of better reactions could you have hoped for with voting no lynch instead of pushing a person that is giving you scummy vibes? I mean you voted later when Persivul did the first step, but errrh... I don't understand the reluctance at first.

Yeah I'm not seeing a scum agenda here from ASC other than lamist-y posting, not unusual from newbie.

Can you explain what lamist means in this context with ASC? I know what it stands for, but after having read it several times (in both positive and negative ways, I think) I don't really get how it is supposed to get interpreted as it sounds like it can be judged in any way.

Waiting for Persivul to place the first vote before being comfortable to do so yourself is also a little off to me.

#23

@teacher - this was the part I agreed with regarding the "Why not make a joke statement, for reference. I don't really see why not making a joke seems strange to you.

[chennisden]

@teacher

RVS doesn't really matter that much, I agree with the tip analogy

[GrandWazoo]

I wanted to wait a little for reactions

Meh. What kind of better reactions could you have hoped for with voting no lynch instead of pushing a person that is giving you scummy vibes? I mean you voted later when Persivul did the first step, but errrh... I don't understand the reluctance at first.

Yeah I'm not seeing a scum agenda here from ASC other than lamist-y posting, not unusual from newbie.

Can you explain what lamist means in this context with ASC? I know what it stands for, but after having read it several times (in both positive and negative ways, I think) I don't really get how it is supposed to get interpreted as it sounds like it can be judged in any way.

I didn't interpret it at all initially, until others starting commenting on it, at which point it occurred to me that ASC could indeed be viewed as trying to look town without doing anything. But I don't find it AI much less scummy.

[teacher]

Prodge til tonight. I’ll answer more in depth later Skellen but I thought ASC was pretty towny. The questions weren’t really for him but to see if anybody would jump in the shade without any real analysis and Chennis did. I agree with Wazoos read on ASC which is why Wazoo for my first out of null town.

[TheASC]

Similar to Zeito, I wanted to get an input from all the players if possible. I thought this would be a good way to get one of the final 2 players active as I believe that the best way to win games like that is to get input from as many people as possible. If you get everyone talking, you can bounce ideas off each other and later on compare SRs etc.

I see. Happens that instead the talk is more about you though. So to look from another angle: what do you think of the wagon on you?

I don't mind the conversation about my RVS post; it's better than having no conversation at all. However, I'm a little suspicious of just how quickly the wagon built up with Persivul and chennisden's back to back votes in #29 and #30, especially considering their lack of explanation for a non-RVS vote.

[Skellen]

Largely disagree with this, scum has no reason to quickhammer day 1, especially with both players quickhammering.

This is actually a thing though. Something similar happened in my last game when town unvoted to avoid a premature hammer with both scum rushing in always putting the vote back to L-1 to provoke the announced hammer. I kind of agree with you though, because imo it's dumb considering everything is blowing right into their faces after such a move.

@teacher:
I see, that explains for me why you acted like that, but I will look forward for the detailed answer and respond to it then.

OT: Anyone else having issues with the site loading? Couldn't access to this site for like half the day. Needed an eternity just for this single post.

[northsidegal]

Prodding Sekaedy and Persivul. Searching for a replacement for Robb Stark, who did not pick up his role PM.

[chennisden]

I have no problem with the site loading

[chennisden]

While I'm not very happy with the amount of people on TheASC's wagon, I still feel like it's the right wagon

[Persivul]

Sorry, didn't realize it had been that long. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[GrandWazoo]

While I'm not very happy with the amount of people on TheASC's wagon, I still feel like it's the right wagon

Confused by this post. Why are you unhappy with the wagon you're on?

[northsidegal]

Scum reading replaces Robb Stark.

[scum reading]

Ayyy hello everyone, catching uo will take like 5 minutes

[scum reading]

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and skellen especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

1. Um I played a lot of games like Mafia, but I just came on this website about three weks ago or so.
2. I usually am really vocal and I like to use my votes to pressure and gain reactions
3. It depends, I still am vocal as scum as well, so good luck reading me. My scum game is usually the same as my town game. You can check out my scum game, it just ended, it was my first game on this website. It’s the Newbie 1918.
4. My flaw is that I don’t town read a lot of people and I focus on scums, that’s why my reads will change a lot during the game. There are a multitude of things I look for when scum hunting, I’ll point them out as the game goes

[chennisden]

While I'm not very happy with the amount of people on TheASC's wagon, I still feel like it's the right wagon

Confused by this post. Why are you unhappy with the wagon you're on?

I am happy with this wagon

I am unhappy with the amount of people on it

[chennisden]

And TheASC reminds me of my own scumplay