Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

volxen · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:01 pm

Day four has begun. Go forth and start posting!!!

volxen · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:02 pm

Searching for a replacement for TTTT.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:05 pm

Momentarily surprised by that before I realized that there was mechanically no reason for scum to ignite last night

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:06 pm

VOTE: Lovebird

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:12 pm

I've had my fill of the toxicity from this game.

I will be leaving if the players cannot be reasonable and civil.

BuJaber · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:25 pm

That depends on if people will play with blinders on or not.

I promise I will not bring up the fact that now 2 townies have gamethrown when sorting remaining players. Or the fact that the site continues to tolerate or even encourage this behavior.

BuJaber · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:26 pm

There's only one reason why scum wouldn't ignite and that's that they're sure they can get the mislynch they need.

BuJaber · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:31 pm

VOTE: TTTT

Egix96 · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:05 am

In post 806, BuJaber wrote:There's only one reason why scum wouldn't ignite and that's that they're sure they can get the mislynch they need.

Mmm, not necessarily.

I take it you think that scum!Cowbells is trying to lynch town!LB? I don't get how you can think that, based on how Day 3 went down, and if that is what you're thinking, why are you voting 4Ts instead of Cowbells?

BuJaber · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:26 am

No I'm voting 4T because I'm not sure RC and lovebird are a team.

There are certainly some mild interactions between lovebird and Persivul where they disagree but without any hostility but that wouldn't really explain RC's posting yesterday nor would it explain the quickhammer from lovebird. They could have acted like they were sporting each other longer you know what I mean?

But basically we have to treat this like lylo and play a bit of a voting game.

The one constant is I can see 4T as scum.
I can see him as partners with anybody.
I can definitely see him as partners with RC.

But that doesn't mean RC is definitely guilty either.

Vedith thinking Percy wouldn't replace out is something I'm considering. I don't have any real experience with Persivul beyond our last game. And I was scum when he was town.

Egix96 · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:31 am

Lovebird had rb as "definitely town" prior to him self-voting, so her thinking that the self-vote was a scumclaim makes no sense IMO. Why did she post a bird gif after voting rb and not bother to interact with the others? Was it because she thought she'd won when she hadn't?

Also, 751 is horrible reasoning and 759 is just... no. Can't read that post without cringing at how obviously fake it is.

Even if she's somehow not scum and just irresponsible town, she mucked up big time.

Egix96 · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:46 am

In post 809, BuJaber wrote:No I'm voting 4T because I'm not sure RC and lovebird are a team.

There are certainly some mild interactions between lovebird and Persivul where they disagree but without any hostility but that wouldn't really explain RC's posting yesterday nor would it explain the quickhammer from lovebird. They could have acted like they were sporting each other longer you know what I mean?

But basically we have to treat this like lylo and play a bit of a voting game.

The one constant is I can see 4T as scum.
I can see him as partners with anybody.
I can definitely see him as partners with RC.

But that doesn't mean RC is definitely guilty either.

Vedith thinking Percy wouldn't replace out is something I'm considering. I don't have any real experience with Persivul beyond our last game. And I was scum when he was town.

I don't think Cowbells and Love can be scum together either, because why would Cowbells be all like "I know that LB is scum because if she were town she'd have been lynched by now" virtually as soon as he was in the game?

I get that Cowbells is apparently a very good scum player (I have prior experience with him from another site, not sure if that counts for much though) so maybe I'm wrong in thinking that him making such a move is out of his range, but to me it seems like a -EV play because a) it sacrifices one-half of his team where he could perhaps more easily go for a lynch on town, and b) he gets much less towncred for bussing if he says he "knows" that she's scum.

Also, if you can see 4Ts as being partners with anybody, why can't he be partners with no one, ie. town?

Vedith · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:06 am

Yeah I'll probably lynch Lovebird today

BuJaber · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:21 am

Egix you are sort of agreeing with me here.

Unless RC is trying to secure this with a masterful WIFOM move, lovebird-RC are not scum together.

If you believe so and you believe lovebird is scum, then 4T would be her partner, no?

I'm just going for the safer lynch while I get more time to decide on RC.

But yeah also I'm not as sure as you are that lovebird is scum. 60, maybe 70% sure but her being scum makes very little sense unless she is scum with RC. It's really quite messy.

Like from town!you POV it should be between me and 4T as partners for lovebird based on what you just said. So now you're worrying me because it's like you're looking for me to convince you to vote 4T so you don't seem overly eager.

Things that make me townread lovebird:
1. Her post in RVS wondering if she will win again. She won as scum last time. I could be wrong but my impression of her personality.. I don't think her ego is big enough to post such a cheeky post off as scum.

2. I'm quite confident that 4T is scum on based on his terribly low level of contribution and horrible votes on town wagons. Therefore if lovebird is scum that's her partner. In our last game she was able to kind of lurk because she had an active partner to cover for her and distract the game. I am not so sure she'd follow the same strategy if her partner is also lurking.

3. Feels kind of too easy after her crazy end of the day quickhammer and posting. I said that there was no such thing as too scummy to be scum about slaxx, and he flipped town. I may have said or at least thought the same about rb and he flipped town. People love painting themselves as scum apparently. I don't want to bet the game on 3rd time's the charm.

Vedith · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:27 am

I think Scum are Lovebird and Egix

BuJaber · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:29 am

Could be but I'm not sold on 4T!Town. I've seen him trying to gamesolve. He didn't here

Vedith · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:29 am

VOTE: Lovebird

I don't think much will change my mind today.
Lovebird went from town reading rb to hammering out of a moment of panic?

BuJaber · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:31 am

I mean really that whole thing in day 1 between TTTT and Persivul never comes from 2 townies surely. They just ventured off into off-topic land. It seemed so fake.

Or are you also townreading 4T's rep-out?

Vedith · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:34 am

In post 815, BuJaber wrote:Could be but I'm not sold on 4T!Town. I've seen him trying to gamesolve. He didn't here

If we mis lynch today it's most likely game.
Lovebird has the best chance of flipping Scum and given RC sees this too as a strong town read I think it's best.

If I was doused last night is it worth me saying who I visited encase of an ignite? Just not what order

Vedith · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:36 am

In post 817, BuJaber wrote:I mean really that whole thing in day 1 between TTTT and Persivul never comes from 2 townies surely. They just ventured off into off-topic land. It seemed so fake.

Or are you also townreading 4T's rep-out?

If it was fake it was fake from both sides? Which I don't think it was.
I town read TTTT yes.
The replace out I'm not sure why and don't get me wrong I am not at all saying I town read RC because of Pers replace.
I think AtE and replace out is always NAI I was pointing out that Pers wouldn't tactically replace which is something different.

BuJaber · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:37 am

Fine let's see how RC posts and then I'll decide.

I want to at least have one anti-town person flip scum just so I don't completely lose faith in the site. But I'm not even sure I'd be happy like as a person if lovebird were scum here because it's like she suicided.

And I don't think there's any benefit to you telling us anything. We can't use the information to narrow down the scum pool.

Vedith · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:38 am

Talk to me about Lovebird.
Do you think they are Scum or no?

Vedith · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:39 am

Well let's face it. If we mis lynch today and I'm doused then I'm dead tomorrow and if the game isn't over it means I hit all town right.

It gives the game surely?

Thoughts RC?

BuJaber · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:39 am

In post 819, Vedith wrote:
In post 817, BuJaber wrote:I mean really that whole thing in day 1 between TTTT and Persivul never comes from 2 townies surely. They just ventured off into off-topic land. It seemed so fake.

Or are you also townreading 4T's rep-out?
If it was fake it was fake from both sides? Which I don't think it was.
I town read TTTT yes.
The replace out I'm not sure why and don't get me wrong I am not at all saying I town read RC because of Pers replace.
I think AtE and replace out is always NAI I was pointing out that Pers wouldn't tactically replace which is something different.

Yes wouldn't tactically replace is different, but what you originally said was you don't see him repping out when he's winning this game state as scum or something to that effect. At least that's how I understood it and I asked you to clarify and you didn't tell me that I misunderstood.

If he is scum he didn't do himself any favors repping out. It is the opposite of a tactical rep out.

BuJaber · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:41 am

In post 819, Vedith wrote:
In post 817, BuJaber wrote:I mean really that whole thing in day 1 between TTTT and Persivul never comes from 2 townies surely. They just ventured off into off-topic land. It seemed so fake.

Or are you also townreading 4T's rep-out?
If it was fake it was fake from both sides? Which I don't think it was.
I town read TTTT yes.
The replace out I'm not sure why and don't get me wrong I am not at all saying I town read RC because of Pers replace.
I think AtE and replace out is always NAI I was pointing out that Pers wouldn't tactically replace which is something different.

No it doesn't have to be fake from both sides. There is a certain natural flow of conversation between two or more uninformed parties. When just one of these is informed that flow is disturbed and it feels off.