Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[NerfedBuJ]

This happens like every game feels like; starting to wonder if it's me. :p
Anyway I rushed a little bit but I'm pretty up to speed now.

Jingle at least trying to dig that far into eagle's vedith tunnel isn't something you see from scum too much[glad he did because it really brought to light how contrived it turned out to be in spots like; nitpick the read. Why are you holding vedith of all people to this impossibly high standard where everything they're doing needs to be 100% telegraphed?

eagles also the worst vote on my wagon ; runner up is ali



Rei is town.
Prince is town.
shoshin... meh? gotta be honest this read is up and down every other page feels like and id almost flip it for that reason alone
VOTE: eagle

Obvious townreads... check
Vote the towniest player who's a bit controversial for playstyle reasons ... check
Keep a nullread on the most controversial and talked about player in the game... check

VOTE: grapes

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I agree Vedith doesn't deserve townreads but trying to figure out

why

he was getting townread or trying to sort him myself got me nowhere and nothing, so I moved elsewhere for a while.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I take that back. I sorted Jingle.

[DrDolittle]

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

Grapes. Like hes not obv town but there are much better lunches in the horizon. Plus the speed that the wagon developed smells a bit opportunistic, like people wanting off attn on Buj

[DrDolittle]

If player X is scum and player Y is scum, then getting offended by a partner would not translate to an immediate vote because it's game throwing, and more importantly player Y would not feel the need to apologize and replace out because his partner got offended and voted him. Regardless of whether you agree or not, I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't SvS.

Sorry remind me of what the analogy refers to again? What's the car theft situation?

[Vedith]

Someone go over the Grapes wagon for me.

[Vedith]

I think vedith doesn't deserve townreads yet. He can obvtown and hasn't posted enough yet to do that so y'all want to explain the tow reads?

This is the first thing I've liked from you and I suspect there's Scum somewhere town reading me.
BuJ still Scum here I think though.

Why was the wagon dropped?

[Reiuji Utsuho]

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

Grapes. Like hes not obv town but there are much better lunches in the horizon. Plus the speed that the wagon developed smells a bit opportunistic, like people wanting off attn on Buj

How much of this "I dont like the grapes wagon" is "they should be voting BuJ instead?"

[DrDolittle]

like 70 percent, Rei

[Reiuji Utsuho]

Ok. Thought as much but wanted to make sure.

[Vedith]

Ok. Thought as much but wanted to make sure.

Why is Grapes a good vote?

[Reiuji Utsuho]

Spoiler: Cha-ching, v3

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Sorted Town
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DoubtingThomas
Jingle
Extrapolated Eagle
Vedith
Karmeleon
DrDolittle
PvtUrist (PoR)
NerfedBuJ
mcqueen
Alisae
Xtoxm
Lycanfire

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Leftovers
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Clemency
Gamma Emerald
grapes
Shoshin

[Shoshin]

Why is Buj town to you, Reiuji?

[mcqueen]

can u also explain the Xtoxm townread?

[BuJaber]

If player X is scum and player Y is scum, then getting offended by a partner would not translate to an immediate vote because it's game throwing, and more importantly player Y would not feel the need to apologize and replace out because his partner got offended and voted him. Regardless of whether you agree or not, I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't SvS.

Sorry remind me of what the analogy refers to again? What's the car theft situation?

Read the posts surrounding DT's replace-out

[DrDolittle]

My logic was called dum so let me explain but I'll be using a stealing analogy.

Say that X is a player in this game who has had his car stolen.

Player Y uses an analogy involving car theft to make a point.

Player X gets offended and votes player Y.

If player X is scum and player Y is town, then using the real life victimness as a tool to rally votes on Y makes X a huge asshole.

If player X is scum and player Y is scum, then getting offended by a partner would not translate to an immediate vote because it's game throwing, and more importantly player Y would not feel the need to apologize and replace out because his partner got offended and voted him. Regardless of whether you agree or not, I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't SvS.

Therefore since scum!X would not vote for Y regardless of Y's alignment, unless X is a huge asshole, and I don't think anyone is that big of an asshole, Prince must be town.

yeah i read that part. So you have X = DT/Ephraim. Y = Shoshin. I agree that it's not S v S. Although I don't see the logic here why its not S v T. scum!DT is frustrated by Shoshin scum reading him for garbage reasoning and makes the unsavory comparison.

Your X and Y doesn't make any sense here. X=DT is the one that makes the analogy, Y is offended. No one is using the point to rally votes on anybody, people are just mad cause that was uncalled for.

I think again you're making crap cases on crap situations instead. Commenting rather than giving analysis, and you are scum.

[DrDolittle]

Spoiler: Cha-ching, v3

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Sorted Town
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DoubtingThomas
Jingle
Extrapolated Eagle
Vedith
Karmeleon
DrDolittle
PvtUrist (PoR)
NerfedBuJ
mcqueen
Alisae
Xtoxm
Lycanfire

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Leftovers
============
Clemency
Gamma Emerald
grapes
Shoshin

I'm not too offended by the readlist. Are the town chaching ordered or nah

[Shoshin]

I think Reiuji's too quick to townread Lycan. I really don't get that at all.

I also find it odd that Xtox has moved up in towniness instead of down since that's what I've been feeling lately about his disappearance from the game.

[Shoshin]

She's setting up a strange TvS scenario with me

It is actually because the back-and-forth looked too one-sided when happened.

I'd say in general TvT scenario, it would be pretty evenly matched argument with frustration built on both sides, because they are both town and they think they are right (which they are not).

I do like this explanation though so I guess Reiuji's town. Just annoying because she doesn't townread me.

[Dannflor]

we're lynching scum grapes and he spewed you his buddy

Show me where he did this?

[Dannflor]

I'm only ~10 pages into the game + keeping up with what's happened since my replace in, and here are my thoughts so far:

Eagle is town, I can case this later but I think it would require a really good scum player to be playing "awkward townie" at this level and I just don't feel that in his posts.

Bujaber probably also town? His play is similar to what I know about his town play and I know from personal experience that scum!Bu trying to imitate his town game comes across much more forced than this.

I would say that despite the weird beginning to the game I'm pretty sure there can be scum caught there. Eagle's RQS entrance would have been a magnet for scum players looking for an easy way to get posting, look townie, and blend in. The amount of meming early game makes it harder to sort that, but based on those responses and gut I'd rate FA or Gamma as most likely candidates there. Probably a stage of the game I'll revisit later, even if it doesn't give me strong scum reads rnow.

Don't have too much of an opinion on anyone else yet. Sorry I haven't read much yet, will try to make more progress this afternoon, but wanted to peek in with thoughts and engage real time.

Grapes

, gonna need you to walk me through your vote on Eagle. Is it just that his vote on you seemed bad? Or do you actually think he's scummy? If so, why?

[DrDolittle]

i highlighted Buj's posts from page 1 - 10.
Please tell me why these are town posts. I can't see anything here that is remotely alignment inidcative.

Hello

I've never played with most of you.

VOTE: Alisae
First person on the list I haven't played with.

1. Comfortable as town. Nervous as scum

2. Good at: Game solving.
Bad at: Conforming to other peoples' expectations and not getting stressed out by not getting people to see my POV.

3. Scum hunting as town, messing with associatives as scum.

4. The site should not tolerate anti-town behavior, troll accounts also should not be allowed.

5. I have very limited experience with lycanfire, shoshin, DT, Clemency, DrD, vedith, mcqueen. I know Gamma a bit more. I'm excited because this game will decide if I want to continue playing forum mafia or end up just modding/spectating. I come here to relax. I failed at doing that while playing normally for 30 or so games so now I'm trying a different playstyle.

Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

Do you not think that town and scum post differently in RVS?

And if they do, can't we use this to build cases?

I agree that it becomes less and less important as the game goes on, but a lot of times one or more scum can be caught in RVS alone.

@DT - I thought there was some old game but it looks like our only game together is Jingle's Townsquare.

[Prince of Renais]

i'm not sure why it upsets me so much that grape is still alive but it does.

[Prince of Renais]

Shoshin who besides grapes is scum

[Shoshin]

I dunno, Gamma, Clem, or Lycan, maybe Dann, maybe Buj?