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[BuJaber]

I’m voting him so we can rely on my reads and I’m hoping you will be a man of honour and respect our deal

Oh you have this deal with everybody then you just didn't tell them about it.

[Nero Cain]

like consider your first two votes were on town I'm going to take your "I have better reads then you guys" attitude with a fairly large dose of salt.

[insomnia]

So I can prove my point since people don’t listen to me. I’ve clearly stated I have issues getting townies to vote with me, so if I detach Nero from his tunnel on town RC and release him of his paranoia, we can push scum like you and sasha. I’ve also admitted that my reads won’t always be perfect so I’m willing to listen and trust Nero as well, after all, he’s a more experienced player in here.

[Nero Cain]

Well none of us are always right. Most of us are average at best.

[insomnia]

BuJ why tf do you even complain? I thought a RC flip would generate a shit ton of information, or are you trying to set up the next mislynch on me after RC flips town?

[BuJaber]

Well I'm town so you're at least 33% wrong already

Pedit - I'm trying to understand what you're doing

[insomnia]

What’s so hard to understand? I’m voting with you, why are you throwing shade? I said I’m willing to vote RCE and if he’s town, you already have his reads that are similar to mine, if he flips scum, I’m off your ass

[Nero Cain]

Vedith has the only town post this game, change my mind.

No, Nero im not implying you shouldn't townread. But don't get pissy when you say you don't think Joges or Amor are scum and then when pressed your reply is "idk".

Flippynips isn't a player I expect to get very involved. A slot that isn't going to put in the effort to defend themselves is an easy push no? The game is longer than right now, it wouldn't be hard to point out how inactive the slot is down the line and get support for this lynch.

i've ignored the whole back-to-forth between both of you

Well that's one way to win my vote back.

Your on my short list too buddy

If I live I'll vig you, no worry.

Fmpov

Amor, enigma, eyes, Joges is the off wagon pool.
Creature, Profii, Stanley, overkill, sashaddin would be the on wagon pool.

I townlean sashaddin but that isn't strong enough to put him outside of my Poe

Don't want to sidetrack myself and lose my thoughts so I'll probably jump back and forth from here.

Someone asked why I thought Profii makes the Vedith kill. I feel he has a nose for catching crumbs and softs, that's literally it. Don't know what to think of him from the small sample size.

Nero/overkill is never s/s but I've already forgotten why that came to me in the first place.

Nero I don't think it helps read me but I want to see what you think since you were the one to bring Vedith's claim up. I have a theory but I want to know what you think about the way slots interacted with Vedith before and after the post he claimed in. You can get back to tunneling me after that.

Creature poking outside of his counterwagon is +town. Not wanting to Lynch his counterwagon is +town. Him voting flippy is +town regardless of flippys alignment. Creatures alignment also isn't tied to the amount of attention he pays to the game so I don't think him not realizing the votecount in regards to flippy is something I would read either way. However it's more likely he does that as town than informed scum to be cheeky.

From these posts I do lean towards a town read, but I've got a question though. How is voting flippy giving him town cred regardless of what flippy flips?

Can you explain why these posts make you town lean RCE?

[Nero Cain]

you know what, nevermind.

[BuJaber]

Yeah that wasn't clear at all.
You said if he flips town I must lynch sasha with you. And then you also said the same thing to nero.
But you were voting RCE before you said any of that and then the explanation that you can't make townies vote with you came later.
But you also say you're scumreading me now, meaning I can't be one of those 'townies you can't convince' from your POV, but you had your 'deal' with only me and nero.

So you can see why I was confused.

Pedit - this is to insomnia obviously

[rosterfoster]

Mmmmk. Why are we lynching RC?

[Nero Cain]

Why are you against lynching RC?

[rosterfoster]

He's not profil.

[Sashaddin]

I will give him another look during my lunchtime.

I lliked the posts 160, 209, 419, 530 and 866
From 1172, he turns to RCE.
Not too long after this, 1310 on Creature.
1741 now he's on me....
1796But changes to Enigma real quick.

I sense a bit of opportunism in the later posts. I'm still townreading him, but maybe not as hard as before. He could be an excellent scum. This is not an easy game for town.

[Nero Cain]

He's not profil.

ok then who are Profii's scum buddies and why?

[insomnia]

you know what, nevermind.

His 97 on you is a solid accusation, you can’t just go “idk” after that.

His 1301 is helping a town get rid of the suspicion on him and trying to redirect people on to a safer lynch

His 980 contains information that’s relevant to town and he ends his post trying to be reasonable with you and not omgusing you

His 597 refutes any scum team that people are advocating to lynch that’s formed of RCE and Enigma (might’ve exaggerated on this, but still)

His 189 was right in regards to Flippy’s contribution and he gave reasons that (even though would look scummy to the average player) are fine and worth taking into consideration especially in this setup and considering it was also first day

And his 842 was there because I was confused about the vig claim and I asked about it

[rosterfoster]

ok then who are Profii's scum buddies and why?

I don't know. I'm always wrong when I start looking for buddies before they flip. I imagine one or more of them would have deflected the initial wagon from profil.

[insomnia]

I will give him another look during my lunchtime.

I lliked the posts 160, 209, 419, 530 and 866
From 1172, he turns to RCE.
Not too long after this, 1310 on Creature.
1741 now he's on me....
1796But changes to Enigma real quick.

I sense a bit of opportunism in the later posts. I'm still townreading him, but maybe not as hard as before. He could be an excellent scum. This is not an easy game for town.

You see, you are trying to be too perfect. You don’t have a conclusive “this is scum, let’s push this / this is town, let’s not push this” , your vote changes as the town’s voting changes and you hop on wagons as they change. You’re aiming to be a perfect player and you don’t want to leave a trail behind for people to pick on “this leans towards a townread but can be scum” is just an excuse if later on you’ll get accused for voting someone. You are too afraid to give a scum read to a town because you think that would look scummy. This is why I’m voting you. I don’t know how people don’t see this shit. You’re just analysing ISOs without a conclusion. You’re scared to fuck up because you know people will push you for that. That’s why you’re scum.

[BuJaber]

This is not an easy game for town.

You want to know why? Check out the activity level.

Vedith got killed on night 1. But he is still the 7th top poster in a game of 17 players.

There are way too many people not posting much and staying away from the thread for days, way more than the number of scum in the game.

[rosterfoster]

The problem is that there are 3 or 4 of you who are constantly posting, meaning everyone else is always trying to catchup. More balanced activity would result from that IMO. It's not good that Nero has 350 posts in this game.

[Nero Cain]

His 97 on you is a solid accusation, you can’t just go “idk” after that.

no.

I said

Think scum might not make a post like 50.

His "idk" thing is a scummy lie b/c he's ether mad that he's caught scum or being a baby about being misread and you buying into it is bizarre.

[insomnia]

The problem is that there are 3 or 4 of you who are constantly posting, meaning everyone else is always trying to catchup. More balanced activity would result from that IMO. It's not good that Nero has 350 posts in this game.

If people wanted to post, they would’ve posted, not an excuse for low activity

[Nero Cain]

It's not good that Nero has 350 posts in this game.

Everyone else is a lurksack and im the only one doing things.

[insomnia]

You know what nero, you buying into Sasha’s whole ISO is bizzare. The only thing he’s done this game is analyzing ISOs without conclusive reads, buddying creature and asking me questions that are irrelevant towards game solving. If this is not scum, we’re getting rod of the scummiest town by far. It’s the mafias job to get rid of the towniest towns and our job to get rid of the scummiest, because they might turn out to be scum.

[insomnia]

If he ends up in a LyLo, he’s the easiest target by far. Just vote him and call it a day, I’m not voting RCE if town doesn’t express their opinion at all, deal’s off, guts against solid info.

VOTE: Sasha