Newbie 1920: North America [Endgame]

[Skellen]

@Zeito:

I dashed through your ISO and I think you didn't really answered this or I might have overlooked it. But while I wrote about it: Why haven't you hammered ASC? As I said in my former post, I interpreted your post #826 like an attempt to rally people for a ASC wagon as there were enough suspecting him.

[chennisden]

ding dong your opinion is wrong

[chennisden]

u r a person 2 was killed. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

This is the obvious kill.

Interested to hear your thoughts on why this was an obvious kill. If it's so obvious, what does the nk point to for you?

this is obvious because URAP would probably find scum #2

and it points to scum wanting to not be found

(which - basically is nothing for now)

[chennisden]

@ skell & chenn - in case it's not obvious my vote on scum reading is just because he's being a nagging pain in the ass.

id rather win

[Skellen]

ding dong your opinion is wrong

?

[chennisden]

ding dong your opinion is wrong

?

referencing scum's alt - his prev prof pic was "ding dong your opinion is wrong"

[chennisden]

thoughts:

scum reading saying chen-asc team is not possible - i like it (ty for noticing)

scum expecting town to follow his lynch order and stuff - seems like scum upset that his planned chen/urap lynch did not go through and buddy was lynched

scum getting mad - seems fake af

[Skellen]

So I have been awake for 22 hours now and I am close to hit the keyboard with my head. So I will interrupt here for today.

I will bring the points that worry me about SR on the table tomorrow. @Persivul: I see that you townread him mostly for meta reasons (can't argue with that), but what specific reasons make him by ingame-play more town in your eyes? (I think I have the Day 1 vote and his hammer statement in the back of my mind here)

[chennisden]

SR seems to forget that yesterday, while he and urap were going at it, I also didn't vote

Elaborate.

I preferred a Zeito lynch for today, but I'll settle with you as well for that totally useless vote and you not following your scum read. You just took a battle with a 10 year old, expect me to tunnel you for the rest of Day 3. Let's see how more annoying I can get. Right now I just want to piss you off. Everything you've done on this page is straight bullshit.

You don't vote people because they're being a pain in the ass. What did you even want to accomplish with that vote?

ew

lets try to lynch scum

i dont like this "conflict" between SR and Pers at ALL

[Zeito]

@Zeito:

I dashed through your ISO and I think you didn't really answered this or I might have overlooked it. But while I wrote about it: Why haven't you hammered ASC? As I said in my former post, I interpreted your post #826 like an attempt to rally people for a ASC wagon as there were enough suspecting him.

(I'll get to why I read Persivul as I did tomorrow, it's pretty late for me too right now and I procrastinated... nothing? By laying in bed for a while.)

It got to something like 3 votes and then I think I was just afraid to hammer or wanted to go through some isos a bit more. I mean, things are never really a hurry on here, so I don't get much incentive to hammer. It's not like ASC was surviving that phase, so I'm not reading too far into that wagon tbh. I wouldn't be surprised at all if scum was on that wagon.

[scum reading]

u r a person 2 was killed. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

This is the obvious kill.

Interested to hear your thoughts on why this was an obvious kill. If it's so obvious, what does the nk point to for you?

this is obvious because URAP would probably find scum #2

and it points to scum wanting to not be found

(which - basically is nothing for now)

thoughts:

scum reading saying chen-asc team is not possible - i like it (ty for noticing)

scum expecting town to follow his lynch order and stuff - seems like scum upset that his planned chen/urap lynch did not go through and buddy was lynched

scum getting mad - seems fake af

You and Zeito are the weirdest players of all time. What is your read on me? In the same post you give reasoning for town!me and then scum!me , you’re just pointing out information without a conclusion based on analysis.

[scum reading]

@Skellen, @chennis, excuse me if you’ve already posted about this, but if you haven’t, what are your thoughts on Persovul right now?

I saw Persivul for most of the game rather as town and would still consider him as town. I particularly liked his play on Day 2 when he was facing urap when he called him out for his drastic reads change on SR and pointed inconsistencies out and I could relate to that. His lolhammer on GW wasn't good, but imo most hammers aren't that AI as people want to make them imo. Also he was part of the spontaneous ASC wagon that changed ASC's situation for the worse pretty suddenly. Sure, it could have been possible that he bussed considering that with you (at least I - and urap probably too - thought you would vote too since you suggested it kind of), urap and me, three people have signalized their willingness to lynch ASC alternatively, but I don't know if he would have done it so fast. I mean if he would have waited a bit the wagon would have stagnated at two votes. So his role in the lynch suggests to me rather town than scum.

Counterquestion: What makes you think that Persivul is scum? (question is addressed at @SR too)

I’ve already addressed this.

[scum reading]

Zeito, gun to head, who do you want to lynch today? No explanations, just give me a name.

[Zeito]

u r a person 2 was killed. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

This is the obvious kill.

Interested to hear your thoughts on why this was an obvious kill. If it's so obvious, what does the nk point to for you?

this is obvious because URAP would probably find scum #2

and it points to scum wanting to not be found

(which - basically is nothing for now)

thoughts:

scum reading saying chen-asc team is not possible - i like it (ty for noticing)

scum expecting town to follow his lynch order and stuff - seems like scum upset that his planned chen/urap lynch did not go through and buddy was lynched

scum getting mad - seems fake af

You and Zeito are the weirdest players of all time. What is your read on me? In the same post you give reasoning for town!me and then scum!me , you’re just pointing out information without a conclusion based on analysis.

Zeito, gun to head, who do you want to lynch today? No explanations, just give me a name.

See, this is the fundamental difference here...
Maybe we like to think first, vote later? Either way, looks like you’ll have to shoot me. (How did u get that gun owo)

[scum reading]

You have no scum reads on day 3?

I don't appreciate your subtlety in regards to me not thinking when I vote. I totally have. It's a 50/50 on you vs Persivul.

I guess we'll see after the game.

VOTE: Zeito

(How did u get that gun owo)

What a lame way to throw shade kappa

[scum reading]

If people are going to buy 1088 and vote me off, you deserve to lose in LyLo.

You were thinking of

SCUM TEAMS

up until this point and now you can't even point to a single person being scum? You townread skellen and me, so by PoE you would be inclined to say "It's either chennisden or Persivul". You aren't afraid to be wrong when you make scum teams, but you are afraid to be wrong on a single person being scum, even though from your point of view there are 2 potential scum targets?

How does that make any sense?

[Zeito]

You have no scum reads on day 3?

I don't appreciate your subtlety in regards to me not thinking when I vote. I totally have. It's a 50/50 on you vs Persivul.

I guess we'll see after the game.

VOTE: Zeito

(How did u get that gun owo)

What a lame way to throw shade kappa

oh my god
this is called a joke


i have reads but i’m not willing to vote yet just because u are trying to get me to. you overestimate the amount of influence that you have in this game.

i will vote. on my own terms. when i am ready. and when i feel my vote is on the right person

[Zeito]

like we have 5 days, bitch boi. i’d love to take my time and place a vote during the weekend

[Zeito]

i appreciate u trying to move things along but like relaxation, i don’t want to vote just because you forced me to

[scum reading]

UNVOTE:

You know what, town lost my vote. I'm not helping with anything and not doing anything anymore. There's one thing to try and explain nicely to a person that you don't want to rush and it's another to insult their intelligence and calling them names.

Good luck, if I'm getting voted, you're not even going to hear a defence from me. I'm just going to prod dodge from now on. Let's see how you scum read with me not talking anymore, which was the main reason people town read me for.

[Persivul]

See, this is the fundamental difference here...

Maybe we like to think first, vote later?

2. An actual chance to pmeta myself I cant say how this will change on a chatroom, but

I play aggressively

, without being scared to joke around here and there.
3. In my better games, I act similarly to how I would in #2. In worse games, like when I play as solo scum,

I'm too nervous to replicate the level of activity I get in 2.

Scum by your own admission.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Zeito

[Persivul]

scum expecting town to follow his lynch order and stuff - seems like scum upset that his planned chen/urap lynch did not go through and buddy was lynched

scum getting mad - seems fake af

No, that's totally in character for town!SR. In my other game with him (previously linked) he was town and totally flaked out. He doesn't have the patience for week-long phases.

[Zeito]

See, this is the fundamental difference here...

Maybe we like to think first, vote later?

2. An actual chance to pmeta myself I cant say how this will change on a chatroom, but

I play aggressively

, without being scared to joke around here and there.
3. In my better games, I act similarly to how I would in #2. In worse games, like when I play as solo scum,

I'm too nervous to replicate the level of activity I get in 2.

Scum by your own admission.

A lot easier to play aggressively on chat-based mafia.

[Persivul]

A lot easier to play aggressively on chat-based mafia.

You're capable of playing aggressively in posting and tone. You've shown that since ASC was lynched and I named you as partner.

You're still not aggressive on votes, which would be expected from scum in this gamestate.