Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Cerberus v666]

Mmm.

Point about her being intended to be tracked is valid.:/I don't have access to the pts these discussions took place in. Need input from both torque and mastina on this.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger thats the whole reason we're voting her. Youre not paying attention

I guess not. I skimmed Elena and was just reading someone who was trying to convince other people of stuff without actually giving genuine thoughts trying to go through the process of generating analysis of people. Seemed more talking to people to convince others they are doing stuff without doing stuff.

I kind of skim and don't read much of the mechanical aspects of the game.

[Near x Mello]

then maybe you didnt target pb at all, thus dodging torque

after all we dont have confirmation you targeted pb

[Cerberus v666]

Mmm.

Point about her being intended to be tracked is valid.:/I don't have access to the pts these discussions took place in. Need input from both torque and mastina on this.

Actually wait no nm.

When torque limits targetinf to a certain pool,he made elena know that the pool is the people he can watch; it's extrenely unlikely that elena would think he has a tracker variant that only tells you if the person you track visited one of a couple different people.

That means you could both not be a ninja, and submit a kill while being confident that a claimed tracker/watcher would not be watching you.

[Elena Fisher]

then maybe you didnt target pb at all, thus dodging torque

after all we dont have confirmation you targeted pb

If I didn't target pb I wouldn't have gotten the flavor text of visiting pb in the first place. Would you like me to paraphrase it for you? Pb knows what I mean.

[Near x Mello]

still not confirmed for anyone but you

[Cerberus v666]

You targeting pb is actually irrelevant.

Even if it were mod confirmed to have happened to the entire thread, it doesn't change the reason why you're a suspect.

[Elena Fisher]

Mmm.

Point about her being intended to be tracked is valid.:/I don't have access to the pts these discussions took place in. Need input from both torque and mastina on this.

Actually wait no nm.

When torque limits targetinf to a certain pool,he made elena know that the pool is the people he can watch; it's extrenely unlikely that elena would think he has a tracker variant that only tells you if the person you track visited one of a couple different people.

That means you could both not be a ninja, and submit a kill while being confident that a claimed tracker/watcher would not be watching you.

No, because Torque said they were going to target me. (possibly) Obviously, he's not going to imply he's watching me he'd be implying he's tracking me

[Elena Fisher]

still not confirmed for anyone but you

whoever made the abyss happened it'ds conf too.

[Near x Mello]

you said torque said he can confirm your target if you targeted pb or joan
That doesn't equal "im targeting you"

[Cerberus v666]

So you're saying that if someone said they could confirm your visit if you visited one of two people, you wouldn't assume they had limited targeting that didn't include you, and/or be suspicious/doubtful of their claim?

[Cerberus v666]

Do you have another, better defense? And if not. And you're town. Please give us final reads and thoughts.

[Liger_Zero]

A tracker that can't see a person going to certain people is a strange variant.

[Cerberus v666]

Also why are we still talking like confirming someone performed an action means they did not perform the night kill?

[Elena Fisher]

If Torque is implying he's targetting me saying he can conf who I target. Even if it is limited what are you going to think? Regardless it shows that if I didn't visit certain people I would be caught and considering it was the illusion of a tracker that proves it wasn't me.
You're also throwing away the possibility that people who are immune to death easily could've killed Dunnstral. While we're on that topic. Scum me never kills Dunnstral because I can easily fool him into defending me and everyone here should know this information. It's impossible for me to be the one who did the kill and I wouldn't allow a Dunnstral kill period

[Liger_Zero]

Because Elena is saying that from her perspective it would have been suicide because she would have been found. But apparently she wouldn't have been found. So now the question is was that reasonable for her to assume she wouldn't be found which kind of goes into a weird territory because even if we assume that as scum she didn't make a night kill I am not sure why this means her teammates couldn't do it?

[Near x Mello]

i mean, joan claimed bp
could easily just be joan who killed
but elena is still scum regardless

[Liger_Zero]

If Torque is implying he's targetting me saying he can conf who I target. Even if it is limited what are you going to think? Regardless it shows that if I didn't visit certain people I would be caught and considering it was the illusion of a tracker that proves it wasn't me.
You're also throwing away the possibility that people who are immune to death easily could've killed Dunnstral. While we're on that topic. Scum me never kills Dunnstral because I can easily fool him into defending me and everyone here should know this information. It's impossible for me to be the one who did the kill and I wouldn't allow a Dunnstral kill period

Do you often take control of night kills/veto kills as scum?

[Cerberus v666]

I think watcher of these target. Not tracker of me who only sees some qctions.

We're not throwing away that possibility, that's why the A50/liger slot has been pushed by mastina all day.

Self meta is gross and useless, especially when prefaced with absolutes like "it's impossible for me to be the one who did the kill" which are unprovable.

[Elena Fisher]

If Torque is implying he's targetting me saying he can conf who I target. Even if it is limited what are you going to think? Regardless it shows that if I didn't visit certain people I would be caught and considering it was the illusion of a tracker that proves it wasn't me.
You're also throwing away the possibility that people who are immune to death easily could've killed Dunnstral. While we're on that topic. Scum me never kills Dunnstral because I can easily fool him into defending me and everyone here should know this information. It's impossible for me to be the one who did the kill and I wouldn't allow a Dunnstral kill period

Do you often take control of night kills/veto kills as scum?

As one of the best scum players? Absolutely I do. I'm normally one of the bigger planners in scum pts.

[Liger_Zero]

Couldn't her teammate make the kill too? She could have not wanted Dunnstral killed either but a teammate submits right? That is standard practice to allow teammates to submit your actions for you right?

[Cerberus v666]

Because Elena is saying that from her perspective it would have been suicide because she would have been found. But apparently she wouldn't have been found. So now the question is was that reasonable for her to assume she wouldn't be found which kind of goes into a weird territory because even if we assume that as scum she didn't make a night kill I am not sure why this means her teammates couldn't do it?

A teammate could have done it, but elena claimed tohave been the target of dunnstrals redirection ability last night.

Either a kill immune scum slot did it, or elena did it.

[Elena Fisher]

I think watcher of these target. Not tracker of me who only sees some qctions.

We're not throwing away that possibility, that's why the A50/liger slot has been pushed by mastina all day.

Self meta is gross and useless, especially when prefaced with absolutes like "it's impossible for me to be the one who did the kill" which are unprovable.

When you're giving statements that are logical you should consider them. Would Elena nk the person she can easily make tr her? Prob not.
Would Elena risk being tracked and outted in this case? Etc etc

[Elena Fisher]

I think my big error was turning myself into a VT and hoping people believe me over faking that claim and switching to something more useful. Disappointing but understandable.

[Liger_Zero]

You say you can easily make dunnstral townread you, but he redirected you. He was highly suspicious of you just by that fact, right? I think you are overplaying the reasoning behind you not having motivation to kill him.