Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[Ausuka]

Spoiler: Ausuka stuff

VOTE: Fuscosco

They feel really forced so far.

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

THIS feels forced.
In both directions.

i don't understand how 66 is meant to be forced.

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

The reason I asked was because I can't follow the progression of "this could be town and this could be scum" then a vote. Like that's the definition of null and I know she said "I think it could be scum" but I don't really know how much confidence that's meant to convey and it altogether came across as non-comittal. Also I am literally voting the same person as light so why do you think I'm derailing the push that was exactly the same push as hers?

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Actual OMGUS

how is it omgus? because I voted someone who voted for me previously?

Spoiler: Ausuka exclusively changing her vote almost every post in her ISO

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

UNVOTE:

dt is less scummy now i guess because i like their dunnstral push.

i don't really know where to go now though.

VOTE: sabrina

i think that this needs more pressure: i feel her policy push on dt is clearly not working and as town she would either take a different angle to pushing DT or push somebody else. Right now she feels like scum who's satisfied with her current position of mostly flying under the radar and being ignored.

VOTE: elsa jay

I feel like ofrhz's recent posts are kinda towny? Like it feels like they genuinely want to help town after their flip. There's probably scum in the claims so far but I'm not that interested in going there d1.

VOTE: Sabrina

VOTE: Gemerald
i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game and hasn't really felt like she's been trying to solve. her most recent post says that xyzzy is a dunce for trying to replace her; even though she didn't post for 6 days. this implies that xyzzy should know for some other reason that she isn't flaking on this game and i think the most likely possibility for that is that she's still been somewhat active in the scum PT.

Meh I guess Gamma's more likely just being randomly abrasive than real scum. The argument doesn't really work anymore if Gamma can't post at all during that time.

VOTE: Sabrina I guess this still works for me more than anything else but there's no momentum here :/

why is changing my vote often bad?

sorry for the spoiler messup; i've tried to fix it and can't figure out how to do it and don't think it's too important.

[Ausuka]

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

what's the scum motivation for ofrhz to selfvote here?

[DoubtingThomas]

Enter are you ee?

[Fuscosco]

Enter are you ee?

Doesnt matter if he is. Dont ask.

[Fuscosco]

but while the superficial similarities are the same, he isnt really winded.

[Fuscosco]

i don't understand how 66 is meant to be forced.

he means theatre. it looks like theatre to him.

[ofrhz]

If Xyzzy finds nobody then we go into a night with a No Lynch. We have 12 hours.

I do want a useful lynch but the claims are going to resolve themselves at this rate.

@Ofrhz:

Is your version of Rolestopper the one that also stops kills or just basically makes someone ascetic?

The claim game only hurts town in the end by happening so soon.

The former

[Wisdom]

pretty sure rolestopper is a scum role but eh. It's a non reviewed game

[ofrhz]

davesaz is scum because his ISO is not good

by not good I mean there's a ton of that same type of posting in there

pointless question
weird engagements

etc.

Ankamius is probably town

[ofrhz]

Hi everybody!

My name is Selina Meyer, and I'm running to be your president! Can I count on your vote?



VOTE: ofrhz

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

This was obviously part of my entrance

and even if it wasn't, this is a pretty surface-level read

[Enter]

UNVOTE: Enter

Talk to me, Enter.

What exactly do you need to get into the game?

who's been pushed as a mislynch (or looks pretty mislynchable)

what is this supposed to mean?

It's another way of asking what wagons are likely to have scum on them

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

what's the scum motivation for ofrhz to selfvote here?

What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

Enter are you ee?

Yes

Hi everybody!

My name is Selina Meyer, and I'm running to be your president! Can I count on your vote?



VOTE: ofrhz

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

This was obviously part of my entrance

and even if it wasn't, this is a pretty surface-level read

You trynna say scummy things aren't scummy in the opening post?

[Enter]

Enter are you ee?

Doesnt matter if he is. Dont ask.

Thanks, you're sweet, but I was outed a while ago and EE isn't really a secret all.

i don't understand how 66 is meant to be forced.

he means theatre. it looks like theatre to him.

I like you and the WY you're posting this game.

[Enter]

@Ausuka, why do we have RVS? Why don't we typically use RQS, for example?

[Wisdom]

What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

lack of town motivation does not mean presence of scum motivation
this is weak

[Enter]

What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

lack of town motivation does not mean presence of scum motivation
this is weak

I'm not implying that.

What's the purpose of RVS, wisdom?

[Wisdom]

to get reactions

selfvoting causes reactions

[Enter]

to get reactions

selfvoting causes reactions

What reactions

What reactions do you get from a self-vote

How indicative of your alignment/stances on other people is a self-vote?

How indicative of your alingment/stances on other people is a vote on someone else?

[Enter]

I'll tell you what reactions you get from a self-vote:

"why did you self-vote" (that's NAI)
"I don't like it when people self-vote" (also NAI)
"I'm glad they self-voted" (NAI)

Here's what stances you show on other people when you self vote:

None. Because you don't respond to anyone, you don't show willingness to vote anyone, you don't jump on a wagon that already has five people on it

Let's compare that to voting someone else:

There were five votes on GE this game, that's particularly interesting:

ofrhz votes someone on the GE wagon: this might be a legit serious stance
Possible reactions:
"do you not like the ge wagon, ofrhz?"
"what did that specific player do that the others didn't do?"
One of those players flips down the line and now all of a sudden it's a little easier to see why ofrhz might vote them in RVS - to get some possible distance in (weak, sure, but better than nothing)

Mafia is a game of reading people.
You read people by getting them to react to things
One good way to get people to interact with things is to threaten to lynch them if they don't
One good way to threaten to lynch people is to vote them
This is why we have RVS
In RVS no one has any reads on anyone
So we begin threatening to lynch everyone
We put our votes everywhere
We see what stances people are willing to take
We see how people are trying to play the game
Who has an agenda - people tehy dont necessarily want lynched no matter what
Who has no agenda - willing to look at anyone and definitely trying to figure out what's going on

By self-voting, you refuse all town motivations in RVS
It's a sign that you already know who's who and what's what, because there is no confusion, no need to push elsewhere to garnish reads

[Wisdom]

your theory talk is boring

[Enter]

right
let's lynch

[Wisdom]

agreed. you need to be hammered

[Enter]

why don't u hammer me then

[Enter]

kidding i know you're voting me

you got a reads list, wis?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I think I like Enter. Early I liked Davez.
I want good good magic, that makes me only like good people.

Self voting can be funny, and have some interesting reactions, but we kinda ignored it. We ought not have.

Starwing is just tired now.

[Wisdom]

oh cmon starwing

ofhrz was just doing her selina thing

enter is just using it as an excuse to post about something