Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie

[chennisden]

to get reactions

selfvoting causes reactions

What reactions

What reactions do you get from a self-vote

How indicative of your alignment/stances on other people is a self-vote?

How indicative of your alingment/stances on other people is a vote on someone else?

If this is Enter's ISO, why are we scumreading him?

[Wisdom]

suddenly I'm more sure Enter is town

because your scumread on light is wrong

[Wisdom]

And now enter is pushing Sabrina lol

cmon enter is scum.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie

ank no

we were doing so well

[Ankamius]

suddenly I'm more sure Enter is town

because your scumread on light is wrong

what about light's push was town

[Wisdom]

i agree with everything light said

[Enter]

wis
what's your read on ofrhz?

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Top poster 20 minutes into joining the game

I am Locktown

Yeah, no.

Spamming =/= town. In fact, if it weren't for you replacing in and catching up, I'd say you'd be pretty scummy for trying this tactic.

You know what, fuck it, even for a replace in that spam seemed like you were trying to seem overly towny.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

scum

No. This is objectively bad play, but it's not

scummy

play.

Sabrina is largely null, leaning towards scum because of her lack of actually doing anything but her DT push is NAI

Tell us what your dinner was first before you conk out first.

redundancy

you don't need to say "first" twice

why

I joined mafia scum for one purpose.

TO CHANGE THE SITE'S META FROM PLAYING ANTI-TOWN ON PURPOSE FOR PERSONAL "META" REASONS THAT INCLUDES BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING:

- Not contributing
- Not answering questions
- Ignoring posts
- Self voting
- Talking about subbing out
- Etc

Get off your high horse and play mafia with me

hey, me too!

why aren't you voting the person who already self-voted

why is the self vote, at the beginning of rvs, justification on its own for a push?

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

what's the scum motivation for ofrhz to selfvote here?

What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

I don't know about you but I've self voted as town in rvs before

Its so NAI that the fact you've brought it up in multiple posts is weird

Spoiler:

I'll tell you what reactions you get from a self-vote:

"why did you self-vote" (that's NAI)
"I don't like it when people self-vote" (also NAI)
"I'm glad they self-voted" (NAI)

Here's what stances you show on other people when you self vote:

None. Because you don't respond to anyone, you don't show willingness to vote anyone, you don't jump on a wagon that already has five people on it

Let's compare that to voting someone else:

There were five votes on GE this game, that's particularly interesting:

ofrhz votes someone on the GE wagon: this might be a legit serious stance
Possible reactions:
"do you not like the ge wagon, ofrhz?"
"what did that specific player do that the others didn't do?"
One of those players flips down the line and now all of a sudden it's a little easier to see why ofrhz might vote them in RVS - to get some possible distance in (weak, sure, but better than nothing)

Mafia is a game of reading people.
You read people by getting them to react to things
One good way to get people to interact with things is to threaten to lynch them if they don't
One good way to threaten to lynch people is to vote them
This is why we have RVS
In RVS no one has any reads on anyone
So we begin threatening to lynch everyone
We put our votes everywhere
We see what stances people are willing to take
We see how people are trying to play the game
Who has an agenda - people tehy dont necessarily want lynched no matter what
Who has no agenda - willing to look at anyone and definitely trying to figure out what's going on

By self-voting, you refuse all town motivations in RVS
It's a sign that you already know who's who and what's what, because there is no confusion, no need to push elsewhere to garnish reads

If this were posted in mafia discussion it would make an interesting talking point

Posted less than 48 hours before deadline when you're the primary wagon makes it seem like you're trying to avoid actually contributing

I was kinda half-skimming the first couple pages of the game thread and Ausuka caught my eye, so I ISO'd her

Not a big fan

People that aren't Ausuka, talk to me about Ausuka

Ausuka, talk to me about your reads

Spoiler: Ausuka stuff

VOTE: Fuscosco

They feel really forced so far.

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

THIS feels forced.
In both directions.

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

The reason I asked was because I can't follow the progression of "this could be town and this could be scum" then a vote. Like that's the definition of null and I know she said "I think it could be scum" but I don't really know how much confidence that's meant to convey and it altogether came across as non-comittal. Also I am literally voting the same person as light so why do you think I'm derailing the push that was exactly the same push as hers?

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Actual OMGUS

Spoiler: Ausuka exclusively changing her vote almost every post in her ISO

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

UNVOTE:

dt is less scummy now i guess because i like their dunnstral push.

i don't really know where to go now though.

VOTE: sabrina

i think that this needs more pressure: i feel her policy push on dt is clearly not working and as town she would either take a different angle to pushing DT or push somebody else. Right now she feels like scum who's satisfied with her current position of mostly flying under the radar and being ignored.

VOTE: elsa jay

I feel like ofrhz's recent posts are kinda towny? Like it feels like they genuinely want to help town after their flip. There's probably scum in the claims so far but I'm not that interested in going there d1.

VOTE: Sabrina

VOTE: Gemerald
i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game and hasn't really felt like she's been trying to solve. her most recent post says that xyzzy is a dunce for trying to replace her; even though she didn't post for 6 days. this implies that xyzzy should know for some other reason that she isn't flaking on this game and i think the most likely possibility for that is that she's still been somewhat active in the scum PT.

Meh I guess Gamma's more likely just being randomly abrasive than real scum. The argument doesn't really work anymore if Gamma can't post at all during that time.

VOTE: Sabrina I guess this still works for me more than anything else but there's no momentum here :/

Why specifically is ausuka changing her vote a lot early on scummy?

Not interested in ausuka wagon either

Fascinating.

given the speed people are jumping on I'm actually losing interest myself.

talk about people voting Ausuka at this time, wilky, DT, EJ

This in contrast with your other ausuka posts

Makes your whole ausuka thing seem really distance-y

I've bolded everything I'm really disliking about light's recent posts for you Wisdom

[Ankamius]

ok cool

I'm not reposting that

[Wisdom]

yeah, again, i agree with what light is saying, including the bold parts. What are you disliking exactly?

[Wisdom]

Like, she is right about sabrina having no content outside the DT push, which is a personal thing and is nai

She is right about enter's ofhrz push based on selfvote being bs

She is right about the theory talk being an excuse to say things, i said that myself

cmon ank. Have you played with light before? It might be playstyle. Youre prone to that.

[Ankamius]

#1284: Oversimplification; I can see why Enter would find that post scummy without it being the push on DT

#1285: Enter literally just told DT to put his money where his mouth is. The justification is literally right there.

#1290+1295: It's worded like it's shade more than her believing that what Enter is doing is scummy.

Does that explain it?

[Ankamius]

cmon ank. Have you played with light before? It might be playstyle. Youre prone to that.

does light have a tendency to just miss things

because if not, then it's a scummy push

[Wisdom]

He quoted her dt vote and called her scum

what do you mean "i can see why hed find her scum other than her dt vote"? The issue is what he quoted as reasoning

[Wisdom]

1285: Enter asks someone to vote a person for selfvoting as if thats a scum claim
Lights answer makes total sense

[Ankamius]

there's 3 lines of text there.

[Wisdom]

and for the other two it seems like you just dislike her wording

i dont see shade, i see things ive pointed out myself and are valid

[Ankamius]

then we just interpreted her push differently

[Wisdom]

ok can you reread the enter slot without letting light affect you

[Enter]

wis talk about

ofhrz

pls

[Ankamius]

ok can you reread the enter slot without letting light affect you

I can see his thought processes better now, actually

I want to see what he does tomorrow

[Wisdom]

tomorrow he will be in the dead pt wishing luck to his buddies

srsly ank youve let one bad read mess up everything

[Enter]

VOTE: wisdom

I know there's better times to be doing this but I've got a reason

i see something

i really wanna see him talk about something because there's something i want him to talk about

[Enter]

tell me about ofhrz pls wisdom