Open 70 - Two of Four (b9) (Game Over!) before 595

[Avinyl]

Unvote: dcorbe

. I was mostly suspicious of him because he didn't defend against my point but just ignored it, not that the contradiction was very suspicious.

[armlx]

Waiting on a Farside claim, then I will vote based on that.

[Mr. Blonde]

dcorbe's answer satisfies me.

Nothing has happened, but i'm getting bad vibes about mr blonde.

Max: Any ideas why? Or just gut feeling? I dislike random comments like these when you give not a single reason why you are saying this.

Would you be ready to lynch me?

I've got nothing against voting dcorbe but lets be fair if he is town the mafia gain a kill and we could lose a power.

I do not like this post's logic/lack thereof.

Yes... exactly. It's pretty obvious that
A) yes, we might lynch a townie in the first round and that
B) we indeed could lose a power role
That's part of the game. I don't know why you even need to say this.

Why you are so flexible to go what the town wants, yet keep reminding how it might go badly (so that nobody could blame you later)?

unvote
vote Max

[armlx]

I'm not sure whether to see that as on OMGUS, but those are all points I agree with. Farside is still scummier however.

[Mr. Blonde]

Can you please recap Farside reasons.

[armlx]

Pushes dcorbe wagon and just randomly abandons it post townie claim for no reason.

[Mr. Blonde]

Ok.

[Max]

What I have is purely gut feeling, but my gut feeling is right most of the time. I wouldn't be willing to lynch yet, but when I find out what it is I find scummy I'll tell you. Farside was oddly protective of avinyl, but he did not consider he might be scum, it is quite revealing, is he scum protecting an innocent townie?
Dcorbe, Does anyone actually care about a contradiction in the first page of the game? No, but what we do care about is why didn't you "stick with it"
jtdyer, has said nothing of concequence. I think he isn't mafia

[Mr. Blonde]

What I have is purely gut feeling, but my gut feeling is right most of the time.

O_o

jtdyer, has said nothing of concequence. I think he isn't mafia

O_O

You forgot to answer this:

Why you are so flexible to go what the town wants, yet keep reminding how it might go badly (so that nobody could blame you later)?

I've got nothing against voting dcorbe but lets be fair if he is town the mafia gain a kill and we could lose a power.

Why say something so obvious?

[farside22]

What I have is purely gut feeling, but my gut feeling is right most of the time. I wouldn't be willing to lynch yet, but when I find out what it is I find scummy I'll tell you. Farside was oddly protective of avinyl, but he did not consider he might be scum, it is quite revealing, is he scum protecting an innocent townie?
Dcorbe, Does anyone actually care about a contradiction in the first page of the game? No, but what we do care about is why didn't you "stick with it"
jtdyer, has said nothing of concequence. I think he isn't mafia

You never stated a case against him and told everyone they were his scum partner when you asked. How the hell is that protecting anyone?
@Armix: I already explained that it was page 3 and I didn't believe in a quick vote against dcorbe without more talks. I'm not sure about his claim. He is newbie so I'm giving him a break at the moment.
Claim townie

unvote:
vote: Max

pushing for a lynch on someone without reason, looking to join a BW with false reasoning.

[armlx]

What I have is purely gut feeling, but my gut feeling is right most of the time.

Gut feeling is an excuse for not having a reason, having a reason that revealing would show you are scum, or plain laziness.

FOS Max

[dcorbe]

What I have is purely gut feeling, but my gut feeling is right most of the time. I wouldn't be willing to lynch yet, but when I find out what it is I find scummy I'll tell you. Farside was oddly protective of avinyl, but he did not consider he might be scum, it is quite revealing, is he scum protecting an innocent townie?
Dcorbe, Does anyone actually care about a contradiction in the first page of the game? No, but what we do care about is why didn't you "stick with it"
jtdyer, has said nothing of concequence. I think he isn't mafia

Seriously, if I were pushing a wagon for no reason that would give everyone an excuse to FoS me and push my wagon faster. If I can't come up with a good reason to push someone's wagon, I'm not going to force myself to come up with a bad one.

You're the one who hops around from wagon-to-wagon so much with little if any reason at all to do so, and your attempts to assign reason to your actions are starting to sound like straw-grasping to me.

For example, you're calling me out right now on something completely stupid and irrelevant.

Your attempts to grasp on to the smallest and most insignificant details makes you look pretty scummy.

FoS: Max

for the reasons listed above

FoS: avinyl

because max seems to puish avinyl's wagons so readily

[Max]

avinyl never got a wagon, dcorbe, a wagon requires to reach al least L-2. And also I haven't hopped wagon I've voted 2 people Avinyl and Farside (I think) Hows that wagon hopping.

Fos: dcorbe

Armlx, he asked me whether I had resoning or whether it was gut feeling, it was gut feeling, better to tell the truth than to lie,

You never stated a case against him and told everyone they were his scum partner when you asked. How the hell is that protecting anyone?
@Armix: I already explained that it was page 3 and I didn't believe in a quick vote against dcorbe without more talks. I'm not sure about his claim. He is newbie so I'm giving him a break at the moment.

Claim townie (bolded this)

It is revealing, during the random voting stage

everything

is revealing, and worth scrutinising. Most of all you not going along with the random stage and bandwagoning is revealing. I tried to get conversation going, and I finally have, you said claim townie, imperitive, meaning You are probably telling someone you are town, maybe partner to claim I don't know but it's suspicious.

Fos: Farside

[armlx]

Its better to have a reason though, Max.

[farside22]

avinyl never got a wagon, dcorbe, a wagon requires to reach al least L-2. And also I haven't hopped wagon I've voted 2 people Avinyl and Farside (I think) Hows that wagon hopping.

Fos: dcorbe

Armlx, he asked me whether I had resoning or whether it was gut feeling, it was gut feeling, better to tell the truth than to lie,

You never stated a case against him and told everyone they were his scum partner when you asked. How the hell is that protecting anyone?
@Armix: I already explained that it was page 3 and I didn't believe in a quick vote against dcorbe without more talks. I'm not sure about his claim. He is newbie so I'm giving him a break at the moment.

Claim townie (bolded this)

It is revealing, during the random voting stage

everything

is revealing, and worth scrutinising. Most of all you not going along with the random stage and bandwagoning is revealing. I tried to get conversation going, and I finally have, you said claim townie, imperitive, meaning You are probably telling someone you are town, maybe partner to claim I don't know but it's suspicious.

Fos: Farside

Reading would be helpful there. Armix asked for a claim. You never claimed your vote was random. You called out others for asking why he was a good lynch. Not once did you have a reason and you FOS'ed those who asked.

[skitzer]

Vote Count 7 of Day 1

(2) farside22 (Max, dcorbe)
(2) Max (Mr. Blonde, farside22)
(0) alvinz95
(0) jtdyer
(0) dcorbe
(0) Avinyl
(0) Mr. Blonde
(0) Grimmy
(0) armlx

(5) Not Voting (armlx, jtdyer, Grimmy, Avinyl, alvinz95)

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch!

I'm just a bit unsure about this vote count. Please tell me if there is anything incorrect.

No one to prod! Hooray!

[armlx]

Vote Farside

. Didn't vote earlier as she was at L-2.

[alvinz95]

I am very sorry guys for not posting. My computer isn't working, and I was someone's house for the past day.

Max - I find that you aren't playing like most experienced people, using gut feeling rather than logic. You seem to be playing randomly. Post 111 says it all.

Farside - So far the most scummy because of quickly unvoting after Dcorbe, then trying to deflect the attention on me

Dcorbe - Not thinking too harsly about him. Neutral.

Armix - Probably the most protown. I like your scumhunting, especially questions against Max.

Avinyl - Neutral to Protown. Solid.

Mr Blonde - Hmmmm, I don't know. When I read your post I just feel like you're scum. Of course thats not a legitimate excuse. You seem like you're trying to control this game while not getting caught. Overall, you have nice long post. Good contributor. Not sure about alignment.

[farside22]

I've been saying the same thing now for 3 pages.

That was post 35 not 22 and towards alvin95 who has done nothing and said nothing helpful or trying to promote conversation in anyway which does not help the town.
Meh you could be town. I think 3 pages isn't really telling me anything about you except you are aggressive.

unvote:

(for now)

vote: alvinz95

Get in and start hunting scum or you are scum.

It was 3 pages in and he claimed townie. I didn't think it would go anywhere without looking at other people. I still think dcorbe more newbie at this point then scum, but whatever. Since no one cares to listen. I'm looking at Max for not saying anything at all and poor to no reasoning for votes and alvinz who comes in and kisses butt with an eh player analysis that says nothing at all.

[armlx]

He was at L-1 and claimed townie. Correct procedure is pretty much always lynch.

[farside22]

He was at L-1 and claimed townie. Correct procedure is pretty much always lynch.

With 3 pages and no info? That is terrible idea. Unless I'm certain he was scum why let him get lynched by a quick hammer? Sure maybe it will flush out a newbie scum day one, but if dcorbe is townie it just gives the scum an early first kill with no discussion. You logic fails.

[jtdyer]

Max, what exactly did you mean in post 107, the last sentence; who didn't stick with what?

[armlx]

He was at L-1 and claimed townie. Correct procedure is pretty much always lynch.

With 3 pages and no info? That is terrible idea. Unless I'm certain he was scum why let him get lynched by a quick hammer? Sure maybe it will flush out a newbie scum day one, but if dcorbe is townie it just gives the scum an early first kill with no discussion. You logic fails.

He was wagoned for legitimately scummy reasons and didn't have a saving claim.

[jtdyer]

unvote

i dont know num's reasons for the vote so there is no reason for me to stick with it.

Max, you said you have evidence and were waiting for more people to respond. We are here, so what info do you have?

Vote Max

. You never really responded to this. Maybe you missed it, and if so, here it is again. There's nothing wrong with gut feeling, but you probably aren't going to convince someone to vote with just gut feeling.

[farside22]

He was at L-1 and claimed townie. Correct procedure is pretty much always lynch.

With 3 pages and no info? That is terrible idea. Unless I'm certain he was scum why let him get lynched by a quick hammer? Sure maybe it will flush out a newbie scum day one, but if dcorbe is townie it just gives the scum an early first kill with no discussion. You logic fails.

He was wagoned for legitimately scummy reasons and didn't have a saving claim.

So he should be lynched without more discussion?