Mini 2064 - Giffy-Q (Game Over!)

[MariaR]

maybe i'm too full of my own head.

ding ding ding. At least you're self-aware enough to realize it Anything else?
pedit: Fair enough

[Enter]

Ah. Not making any comments on who PR is,

But the play is NAI.

Probably town indicative, if anything.

I follow the process and could kinda guess at what he was doing as he did it, so I'm not surprised it turned this way.

I think I somewhat agree with the results? I've run similar gambits before but it's been so long that I'm not sure how reliable this specific one is.

Meh, I trust your read. I'm mafia drained I think.

i don't remember this type of post coming from scum!rce

[Sigma Sapphire Slacks]

Nah

Spoiler:

-gamma

[Enter]

eh

i'll come back to maria

VOTE: vedith

[Enter]

i do think you think i have less influence than i have

we'll see eventually, i guess

[Sigma Sapphire Slacks]

Oh nevermind you did answer me!

All aboard!

Also Pink Ball, myself, and Blackjacks are in a neighborhood together.

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[MariaR]

The main crux of your argument (or at least to me) is you pushed me because I was getting pressured. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only people expressing a scumread on me were A) Shiro who I knew would react like that given the information they know and B) Yourself. That to me isn't pressure because you're 2 people. How I think you're looking at it though is you think you have a lot of influence so when I saw you sr me I had to go 'oh shit better hop wagons!' When that's really not the case.

Even if we go with the assumption I was getting pressured those things don't work on me. You can ask basically anyone pressure votes on me just aren't a thing that work

[Enter]

The main crux of your argument (or at least to me) is you pushed me because I was getting pressured. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only people expressing a scumread on me were A) Shiro who I knew would react like that given the information they know and B) Yourself. That to me isn't pressure because you're 2 people. How I think you're looking at it though is you think you have a lot of influence so when I saw you sr me I had to go 'oh shit better hop wagons!' When that's really not the case.

Even if we go with the assumption I was getting pressured those things don't work on me. You can ask basically anyone pressure votes on me just aren't a thing that work

No.

The crux of my argument is that
1. When RCE made the comment about neighborhoods earlier and why we weren't voting in the neighborhoods/neighborhood counterclaims, you dismissed it and said it didn't matter and then simultaneously voted in the counter-claimed neighborhood
2. Your fake vig earlier felt fake even as you were pulling it off, especially right after we'd had like three fake vigs from PR
3. I haven't seen anything particularly productive from your slot
4. When you said "I'm not a lynch today" and I applied the slightest bit of pressure to see if you would respond, you flipped your vote to RCE based on PR "confirming a tell" that wasn't really there in the first place. While Shiro and myself aren't enough to push a lynch through, I think based on the fact that your name is green it's pretty likely you're aware that lynches aren't something that everyone has to support immediately.

[Enter]

The main crux of your argument (or at least to me) is you pushed me because I was getting pressured. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only people expressing a scumread on me were A) Shiro who I knew would react like that given the information they know and B) Yourself. That to me isn't pressure because you're 2 people. How I think you're looking at it though is you think you have a lot of influence so when I saw you sr me I had to go 'oh shit better hop wagons!' When that's really not the case.

Even if we go with the assumption I was getting pressured those things don't work on me. You can ask basically anyone pressure votes on me just aren't a thing that work

My point on the last point is that pressure votes aren't always a thing that are used. Town usually talks and shows willingness to lynch a player prior to actually pushing them, and a couple people mentioning not townreading a player/being willing to lynch them is often more pressure than an actual vote, IMO, which is why I used that over the other method.

[MariaR]

The main crux of your argument (or at least to me) is you pushed me because I was getting pressured. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only people expressing a scumread on me were A) Shiro who I knew would react like that given the information they know and B) Yourself. That to me isn't pressure because you're 2 people. How I think you're looking at it though is you think you have a lot of influence so when I saw you sr me I had to go 'oh shit better hop wagons!' When that's really not the case.

Even if we go with the assumption I was getting pressured those things don't work on me. You can ask basically anyone pressure votes on me just aren't a thing that work

No.

The crux of my argument is that
1. When RCE made the comment about neighborhoods earlier and why we weren't voting in the neighborhoods/neighborhood counterclaims, you dismissed it and said it didn't matter and then simultaneously voted in the counter-claimed neighborhood
2. Your fake vig earlier felt fake even as you were pulling it off, especially right after we'd had like three fake vigs from PR
3. I haven't seen anything particularly productive from your slot
4. When you said "I'm not a lynch today" and I applied the slightest bit of pressure to see if you would respond, you flipped your vote to RCE based on PR "confirming a tell" that wasn't really there in the first place. While Shiro and myself aren't enough to push a lynch through, I think based on the fact that your name is green it's pretty likely you're aware that lynches aren't something that everyone has to support immediately.

1) Yes. I did dismiss the neighborhood question because I felt it was a waste of conversation and just plain noise. I didn't see anything productive coming from that conversation. I didn't care who counterclaimed who because it's not like gif picked this set up. It was all random so who cares who got what.
2) How is this AI? Even if you thought the obv test was fake why does this make it more likely scum me does this then town me
3) Fair.
4) I doubt you'd believe me, but me flipping to RCE had nothing to do with you. It was PR conf that he had a tell on RCE. You're correct that lynches aren't something that need support right away, but if you think my reaction to 2 votes or people expressing interest in me dead is 'oh better vote another wagon' then I don't really know what to tell you. As one of the better scum players on site people always express interest in my flip a lot simply because it's me. So this isn't anything new to me

[MariaR]

My point on the last point is that pressure votes aren't always a thing that are used. Town usually talks and shows willingness to lynch a player prior to actually pushing them, and a couple people mentioning not townreading a player/being willing to lynch them is often more pressure than an actual vote, IMO, which is why I used that over the other method.

This is perfectly fine but the way you're going at this is such a basic level of thinking to me. Like, I can't disprove any of it obviously without you going in and metaing me and respecting scum me a bit more but yeah. I think you're looking at things in a more simple matter then possible.

[Shiro]

OK i changed my mind on MariaR.

Vote:Enigma

If he flips scum, enter is likely scum with him. I really don't like enter saying, yes he is playing yo his scum game but yada yada.

[RCEnigma]

My only issue with Enter at the moment is that his read is me being dismissive with slots and he hasn't really questioned why I've actively been buddying up to him.

Still think he is town, wisdom/enter/shiro/Chara. It's kinda weird most of my townreads scumread but I feel they are wrong with ok-ish intentions if jIcompare it to the way PoR approached trying to read me which was already angled.

[Enter]

OK i changed my mind on MariaR.

Vote:Enigma

If he flips scum, enter is likely scum with him. I really don't like enter saying, yes

he is playing yo his scum game but yada yada

.

what does this mean

My only issue with Enter at the moment is that his read is me being dismissive with slots and he hasn't really questioned why I've actively been buddying up to him.

Still think he is town, wisdom/enter/shiro/Chara. It's kinda weird most of my townreads scumread but I feel they are wrong with ok-ish intentions if jIcompare it to the way PoR approached trying to read me which was already angled.

you buddying me is the only thing keeping me from lynching you right now

i didn't see scum you do it

[Enter]

Not really sure how to approach maria atm, tbh

[Enter]

kinda think lynch is in rce/blackjacks/vedith maybe dunn?

i guess bj/dunn makes sense kinda why wagons kinda stalemated on them? not really sure haven't seen a whole lot that makes me go either way on dunn, either, tbh

[RCEnigma]

OK i changed my mind on MariaR.

Vote:Enigma

If he flips scum, enter is likely scum with him. I really don't like enter saying, yes

he is playing yo his scum game but yada yada

.

what does this mean

My only issue with Enter at the moment is that his read is me being dismissive with slots and he hasn't really questioned why I've actively been buddying up to him.

Still think he is town, wisdom/enter/shiro/Chara. It's kinda weird most of my townreads scumread but I feel they are wrong with ok-ish intentions if jIcompare it to the way PoR approached trying to read me which was already angled.

you buddying me is the only thing keeping me from lynching you right now

i didn't see scum you do it

Fair enough lol.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm on second thought that doesn't quite feel right. I did a fair bit of buddying in our game together. Not with you specifically but still.

[Sigma Sapphire Slacks]

Don't hammer ANYTHING until I work something out with the mods
-Gamma

[Shiro]

Maria what was the tell?

Don't know. Prince is really confident on it though and I'm not townreading you.
pedit: aka you can't answer the stuff I post and you're dismissing it alright got it enter.
Go back to trying to make cases and failing on them again *Shrug*

There was no tell.

Yes RCE has been playing to his scum game
But PR was pushing a gambit. There wasn't a scum tell on RCE that PR had on him, PR wanted to see how RCE reacted.

I was referring to this post

[Wisdom]

rce is still town

vedith and bj are good lynches

[Vedith]

Should I claim?

[Prince of Renais]

the tell exists. the scummy reaction to my outing the tell is just icing on the cake. the fact that wisdom has jumped ship to supporting my other preferred wagon to try to bait me off RCE is nagl.

[Wisdom]

literally nothing to do with you

[Vedith]

the tell exists. the scummy reaction to my outing the tell is just icing on the cake. the fact that wisdom has jumped ship to supporting my other preferred wagon to try to bait me off RCE is nagl.

If you call me town I'll sheep you