Open 76 - Polygamist Mafia (Over!) before 604

[bionicchop2]

Interesting. So if I were to vote for you, how would you solve that dilemma?

[Xtoxm]

I don't think i'd find that scummy like I do Farside.

[Qman]

I'm not sure why I seem to be the only one seeing problems with bionicchop and zombieslayer but they continue to throw up red flags for me, especially the recent post 87 which is using heaps of WIFOM to smear a newbie.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

We just happen to be the most active right now IMO (as far as both partners posting). If you can honestly look at Dcorbe's posts and say they seemed perfectly townie, then good on you. I have already semi-dismissed them as just inexperience. I don't fault my partner if he isn't as quick to be as lenient as I was.

Being active =/= townie.

I'll read over tonight when i get home.

[Grimmy]

I'm not sure why I seem to be the only one seeing problems with bionicchop and zombieslayer but they continue to throw up red flags for me, especially the recent post 87 which is using heaps of WIFOM to smear a newbie.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

As OMGL's partner, and as a newbie myself, Im with im on this one.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

Grimmy
protekt da noobies!!

[bionicchop2]

I'm not sure why I seem to be the only one seeing problems with bionicchop and zombieslayer but they continue to throw up red flags for me, especially the recent post 87 which is using heaps of WIFOM to smear a newbie.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

We just happen to be the most active right now IMO (as far as both partners posting). If you can honestly look at Dcorbe's posts and say they seemed perfectly townie, then good on you. I have already semi-dismissed them as just inexperience. I don't fault my partner if he isn't as quick to be as lenient as I was.

Being active =/= townie.

I'll read over tonight when i get home.

I never said it did. I just said we have said the most, so it is easy for what we have said to be dissected as 'scummy'.

[bionicchop2]

I'm not sure why I seem to be the only one seeing problems with bionicchop and zombieslayer but they continue to throw up red flags for me, especially the recent post 87 which is using heaps of WIFOM to smear a newbie.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

As OMGL's partner, and as a newbie myself, Im with im on this one.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

Grimmy
protekt da noobies!!

I guess for all intents and purposes, OMGL is going to get to put 2 votes wherever he wants since you have made it clear you will do no thinking for yourself this game.

[OhGodMyLife]

You're just upset because team awesome caught you already.

I presume that before the day is out most if not all teams will be voting together.

Xtoxm, is there anything aside from voting for you thats making farside scummy?

[bionicchop2]

Just remember there is no reason to rush anything since there is no night phase. Town can only die by lynching incorrectly. If a train picks up speed this early, warning signs should go off. One pair voting together is not scummy, so I don't really have anything on Grimmy / OMGL, but keep your eye on which pairs start to jump on next (if they do)

[OhGodMyLife]

Just remember there is no reason to rush anything since there is no night phase. Town can only die by lynching incorrectly. If a train picks up speed this early, warning signs should go off. One pair voting together is not scummy, so I don't really have anything on Grimmy / OMGL, but keep your eye on which pairs start to jump on next (if they do)

Translation: "I WILL OMGUS THE NEXT PERSON TO VOTE FOR MY TEAM"

[bionicchop2]

You're just upset because team awesome caught you already.

I presume that before the day is out most if not all teams will be voting together.

Xtoxm, is there anything aside from voting for you thats making farside scummy?

Had I known that was your nickname, I would have been more eager to follow you even though he is my partner.

[OhGodMyLife]

Oh yeah I guess I should call it.

I'm hereby claiming the name Team Awesome for myself and Grimmy.

[farside22]

I don't think i'd find that scummy like I do Farside.

Explain?
I'm not seeing the case against Zombie at the moment. What about post 87 did you find scummie?

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm not seeing the case against Zombie at the moment. What about post 87 did you find scummie?

This:

Post 87, chopped into bits for analysis:

I will agree whole heartedly with Bionic on FoSing Dcorbe, but not so much on Qman.

Nothing wrong with debating a point with his partner

DCorbe's post seemed something like this:

Post 1: He he he I will ask the mod to prod my partner, this will make the townies think I am townie!

Reaching like crazy, trying to make dcorbe look bad on something thats neutral at best.

Post 2: OH

DAGNABBIT

I FORGOT TO NAME A PARTNER AND SINCE I HAVE NO ACTUAL LOVER THE MOD WILL NOT PROD THEM OR SAY SOMETHING WHICH IMPLIES ME OH

DAGNABBIT

.

OH

SHUCKS

IF I POST IN CAPITAL LETTERS AND PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH IT MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE SCUM.

Post 3: Ok ok, distract the townies from my second post, distract distract distract.

Getting more and more hyperbolic with the accusations, still haven't shown anything legitimately scummy coming from dcorbe

Post 4: MORE DISTRACTION MORE DISTRACTION.

HEY THIS NEWB IS HAVING TROUBLE WHAT BETTER TIME TO MISREPRESENT HIM!

WIFOMy to the max, I know, but just my two cents.

In one sentence, zombie tries to mitigate the scumminess of WIFOM by

admitting

it was WIFOM and at the same time, downplay his own role in trying to start a wagon on dcorbe.

And please see my own post 108 for evidence of how his partner BionicChop is making things a little bit more obvious.

Rule 3
-Cow

[dcorbe]

I'm not seeing the case against Zombie at the moment. What about post 87 did you find scummie?

This:

Post 87, chopped into bits for analysis:

I will agree whole heartedly with Bionic on FoSing Dcorbe, but not so much on Qman.

Nothing wrong with debating a point with his partner

DCorbe's post seemed something like this:

Post 1: He he he I will ask the mod to prod my partner, this will make the townies think I am townie!

Reaching like crazy, trying to make dcorbe look bad on something thats neutral at best.

Post 2: OH

DAGNABBIT

I FORGOT TO NAME A PARTNER AND SINCE I HAVE NO ACTUAL LOVER THE MOD WILL NOT PROD THEM OR SAY SOMETHING WHICH IMPLIES ME OH

DAGNABBIT

.

OH

SHUCKS

IF I POST IN CAPITAL LETTERS AND PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH IT MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE SCUM.

Post 3: Ok ok, distract the townies from my second post, distract distract distract.

Getting more and more hyperbolic with the accusations, still haven't shown anything legitimately scummy coming from dcorbe

Post 4: MORE DISTRACTION MORE DISTRACTION.

HEY THIS NEWB IS HAVING TROUBLE WHAT BETTER TIME TO MISREPRESENT HIM!

WIFOMy to the max, I know, but just my two cents.

In one sentence, zombie tries to mitigate the scumminess of WIFOM by

admitting

it was WIFOM and at the same time, downplay his own role in trying to start a wagon on dcorbe.

And please see my own post 108 for evidence of how his partner BionicChop is making things a little bit more obvious.

I'd hate for this to be interpreted as an OMGUS, because it isn't intended as such... but what the hell dude?

Isn't overly aggressive behavior generally considered a scum tell too?

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

[bionicchop2]

I am shocked and amazed that you guys have figured the game out within 113 posts of the game starting. You must be really good at this.

I fail to see what Zombie posted that was scummy in your mind. Dcorbe is inexperienced and his statements were potentially scummy. I still feel it is just inexperience, so I am not voting for him.

My caution about watching who follows up with votes is pretty simple if you look at game setup.

12 players. 8 town , 4 scum. On an incorrect lynch wagon, there will be 6 town maximum and at least 1 scum. The player partnered with the incorrect lynch will not vote (in this case me). If the votes manage to get up to 6, it would be hard for you to convince me that those were 3 pairs of townies.

Call it OMGUS all you want, but you can't deny that on an improper lynch, there will be scum on the wagon. With that in mind, all people voting need to provide clearly stated reasons and any who seem to jump on without justification certainly deserve to be questioned about it.

If there is a day 2, it will be LYLO. The end results of day 1 aren't all that important

if

the voting process is drawn out enough for valuable information to be gained. I would definitely want everybody to be posting actively with content before even getting close to a lynch. There is zero pressure on town at all today, so nobody should be in a rush for anything.

I would even be inclined to go with a no lynch on day 1 to guarantee an extra day of gathering information. With no night kill possible there is no downside for town to remain patient and thoroughly discuss everything.

[bionicchop2]

Isn't overly aggressive behavior generally considered a scum tell too?

To answer this question, scum can be overly aggressive, but townies often are also. Each player has their own style. You will find it just as common for scum to be very passive and agreeable so they don't draw any attention.

I am of the opinion that no one tell on its own is ever good enough to be certain. In most games, you can take a single 'tell' and follow it through to a lynch since it is hard to get much more the first day. After that I like to have multiple reasons for lynching somebody.

[ZombieSlayer54]

No, DCorbe, aggressive behavior is usually not necessarily scummy.

FoS on OGML

, for wanting a lynch so soon in a game with no NKs.

FoS on Grimmy and DCorbe

, for jumping on that bandwagon.

[dcorbe]

No, DCorbe, aggressive behavior is usually not necessarily scummy.

FoS on OGML

, for wanting a lynch so soon in a game with no NKs.

FoS on Grimmy and DCorbe

, for jumping on that bandwagon.

Jumping on what bandwagon? Yours?

This is the first time all thread I've voted.

[PJ.]

Vote: ZombieSlayer

Thank you for voluntering to be lynched by OMGUSing everyone on your wagon. Team Less Awesome will be happy to assisst your decision.

[hasdgfas]

Second vote count of Day 1

ZombieSlayer54(4): OhGodMyLife, Grimmy, dcorbe, Panzerjager

water_foul(1): Gorrad
Xtoxm(1): farside22
farside22(1): Xtoxm

Not voting: bionicchop2, killa seven, Qman, water_foul, ZombieSlayer54

12 alive, 7 to lynch




Deadline still june 30


Also:

Post 2: OH ---- I FORGOT TO NAME A PARTNER AND SINCE I HAVE NO ACTUAL LOVER THE MOD WILL NOT PROD THEM OR SAY SOMETHING WHICH IMPLIES ME OH ----.

Might I remind you all of rule 3? Please try to refrain from profanity as it detracts from game enjoyment for some(myself included). Thank you.

[farside22]

No, DCorbe, aggressive behavior is usually not necessarily scummy.

FoS on OGML

, for wanting a lynch so soon in a game with no NKs.

FoS on Grimmy and DCorbe

, for jumping on that bandwagon.

Did you even read what OGML stated as his reasoning in regards to your comments? How do you expect the game to move along if no one votes? How is OGML wanting a lynch so soon?

[Xtoxm]

I don't think i'd find that scummy like I do Farside.

Explain?
I'm not seeing the case against Zombie at the moment. What about post 87 did you find scummie?

I didn't like the way you voted for me.

Also not seeing the ZS case.

[Qman]

I'm not sure why I seem to be the only one seeing problems with bionicchop and zombieslayer but they continue to throw up red flags for me, especially the recent post 87 which is using heaps of WIFOM to smear a newbie.

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

We just happen to be the most active right now IMO (as far as both partners posting). If you can honestly look at Dcorbe's posts and say they seemed perfectly townie, then good on you. I have already semi-dismissed them as just inexperience. I don't fault my partner if he isn't as quick to be as lenient as I was.

Being active =/= townie.

I'll read over tonight when i get home.

I never said it did. I just said we have said the most, so it is easy for what we have said to be dissected as 'scummy'.

Granting the point, that came across as "You just think I'm scummy because I'm posting alot", when i first read it. It's easy to "disect" for scumminess yes, but it doesn't absolve you of what is said or what people read into it.

[Qman]

No, DCorbe, aggressive behavior is usually not necessarily scummy.

FoS on OGML

, for wanting a lynch so soon in a game with no NKs.

FoS on Grimmy and DCorbe

, for jumping on that bandwagon.

Actually scum do tend to come out of the gates more aggressive. You really need to start defending yourself too, not letting your partner do all the work. Your FoS's are really really stretching things.

@ Your OGML FoS ... it didn't put you close to lynch, it was the first vote. If you can't deal with being voted you really shouldn't play mafia and crying about it doesn't read as town.

@ Your grimmy FoS ... I really don't like Grimmy's coattailing of OGML's vote, so i feel this is warranted.

@ Your dcorbe FoS ... This one I don't agree with, again if you can't stand getting votes when people state legit reasons to vote you... well... yeah.

By the by, votes =/= people wanting to lynch you.

FoS

grimmy, Zombieslayer, bionic


Bionic yours is mostly because you are defending your partner before he's able to defend himself. Stop that, it looks scummy. (At least to me)

[hasdgfas]

Prodding water_foul. Again