Micro 861: BOP 2 Electric Boogaloo (Homie Victory!)

Jingle · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:38 pm

VOTECOUNT 1.4

Fong's Gambit is a strategy in which a town player, recognizing that self-voting is seen as a scumtell, self-votes to evaluate the reactions of other players, and hopefully coax scum into opportunistically voting them. This play was popularized by the IRC Channel #mafia user fong.

u r a person 2: the worst (Lynch-2)
Enter: u r a person 2 (Lynch-2)
the worst: (Lynch-3)
RadiantCowbells: (Lynch-3)
Ankamius: (Lynch-3)

Not Voting: Radiant Cowbells, Ankamius, Enter

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-02 18:00:00) on April 2nd at 6PM PST.[/area]

ISO · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:38 pm

In post 847, Ankamius wrote:you sound like you're afraid of fucking it up here so you go the wishy-washy route instead

yes I'm afraid of fucking up reading you
that's like an executive summary of how I felt about you just then, sorry I'm not particularly confident on my read on you?

do you actually have a problem with that post?

Ankamius · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:38 pm

In post 611, RadiantCowbells wrote:Kinda think us 3 town enter urap scum right now

I had a post here but jingle made me lose it with the pre-edit so you get this instead

Ankamius · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:39 pm

In post 851, the worst wrote:
In post 847, Ankamius wrote:you sound like you're afraid of fucking it up here so you go the wishy-washy route instead
yes I'm afraid of fucking up reading you
that's like an executive summary of how I felt about you just then, sorry I'm not particularly confident on my read on you?

do you actually have a problem with that post?

yes

why did you try to explain it anyways
why did you go into that level of detail

ISO · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 575, RadiantCowbells wrote:Duck can you sell me on Alyssa town because I'm not grokking it rn

In post 577, the worst wrote:tbh not really

I was quantifying this half to RC half to myself

Enter · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:40 pm

Like I don't even have to solve because the role I usually take in solving is taken

And the game is like over.

It doesn't even really matter that I'm rereading RC TN, cuz game so easy.

Actually, RC just establish Ank town (p sure you can get there she's towniest in game rn) and then vote me or duck or urap then we win

u r a person 2 · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 823, Ankamius wrote:btw just noting that I did this exact strat in anuket (which just ended finally), so I can see him policy townreading for that reason here

I have no idea what you're talking about here

Ankamius · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:41 pm

In post 616, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're agreeing that me and TW are town

So even if you lead on ur buddy in enter urap, you still get paragonned presumably

I feel like as scum you would more likely try to split me and duckling up

In post 617, RadiantCowbells wrote:At least in your shoes I'd be trying to break me duckling up

In post 618, RadiantCowbells wrote:Both of the others have played to scum wincondition moreso than you where if you're scum I don't really see what your play is besides hope that we lead on not your buddy then hope that you don't get paragonned

In post 619, RadiantCowbells wrote:By gamestate the obvious answer is urap enter

now that I'm somewhat in the same type of boat readswise in analysis mode

this probably comes from town

Ankamius · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 854, the worst wrote:
In post 575, RadiantCowbells wrote:Duck can you sell me on Alyssa town because I'm not grokking it rn

In post 577, the worst wrote:tbh not really
I was quantifying this half to RC half to myself

ok that makes sense

thank you

Ankamius · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 620, the worst wrote:That's actually very legit

In post 621, the worst wrote:That kind of Hail Mary scumplay doesn't feel like wolf Ank.

can you explain this

Enter · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:42 pm

How good is RC scum game?

Enter · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:43 pm

Rc are you playing to your scum game?

ISO · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:43 pm

In post 616, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're agreeing that me and TW are town

So even if you lead on ur buddy in enter urap, you still get paragonned presumably

I feel like as scum you would more likely try to split me and duckling up

In post 617, RadiantCowbells wrote:At least in your shoes I'd be trying to break me duckling up

In post 618, RadiantCowbells wrote:Both of the others have played to scum wincondition moreso than you where if you're scum I don't really see what your play is besides hope that we lead on not your buddy then hope that you don't get paragonned

This is a Hail Mary scum gameplan which doesn't feel like scum!you. that's like the most convincing reason I have for thinking you're town

Ankamius · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:43 pm

In post 626, the worst wrote:yeah I keep wanting to restate how I feel but I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not like heavily townreading Alyssa either I just don't think we gave a green flip in {urap, enter}

eh...

something's off about this

PEdit: very good, enter

ISO · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:44 pm

In post 860, Enter wrote:How good is RC scum game?

I'd like to take a moment to confirm I'm intentionally ignoring this question

Enter · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:44 pm

Cuz honestly if we establish you as town I can just self-vote then we lynch me, guess urap/duck and everyone wins

Ankamius · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:44 pm

if it helps

I literally outlined my initial strategy for scum in the last paragon's spec thread

I'd definitely try a different tactic but it wouldn't be too far off

ISO · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:45 pm

that definitely helps if you're scum, less so if you're town

Enter · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 863, Ankamius wrote:
In post 626, the worst wrote:yeah I keep wanting to restate how I feel but I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not like heavily townreading Alyssa either I just don't think we gave a green flip in {urap, enter}
eh...

something's off about this

PEdit: very good, enter

How close is he to borders of his scum range?

I honestly think maybe I'm just town reading him out of habit from last game and cuz I haven't played against him yet

Enter · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 866, Ankamius wrote:if it helps

I literally outlined my initial strategy for scum in the last paragon's spec thread

I'd definitely try a different tactic but it wouldn't be too far off

You did?

Ankamius · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:46 pm

In post 642, Ankamius wrote:
In post 622, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Particularly when she's basically said she's sheeping me
so refusing to vote one of her claimed wolfreads would stick out like a sore thumb

I still don't townread her play at all for whatever reason but you have a point that her keeping up in postcount seems at least somewhat villagery

Still subject to change obviously
what

In post 643, Ankamius wrote:
In post 633, Enter wrote:i do legitimately not see a way ank flips scum
what

were either of these addressed

PEdit: Enter RC's townrange and scumrange are both very high

I think I would legitimately need a good chunk of time to be able to definitively peg him as either alignment

u r a person 2 · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:46 pm

so we're all scum reading enter

ank is town

I'm just gonna take the bait. team is rc + enter

Ankamius · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:46 pm

In post 869, Enter wrote:
In post 866, Ankamius wrote:if it helps

I literally outlined my initial strategy for scum in the last paragon's spec thread

I'd definitely try a different tactic but it wouldn't be too far off
You did?

yes

Ankamius · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:47 pm

In post 668, the worst wrote:We're just voting Enter for the win right

idk about this

Enter · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:48 pm

I'll self vote if I can establish one other player as town