Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

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VOTE: Brigitte

Hello.

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A lannister always keeps his promises.

~Cersei Lannister

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I hope your slot rolled town enter

Why's that?

Oh, I'd also like to preface any further posting with this: We have specifically discussed keeping our post count low, particularly because Enter has a remarkably high post count, especially as town, and Taly does not want to clog the game thread with hydra posts. Enter would like to say he wanted to sign up for this game particularly because this is a particularly strong player list and that he would love to post more at this point in time because he is very excited to be playing with a lot of the people here.

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Ironically, we have now multiposted twice. We will not be signing, either, by the way.

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Give me some lip and I'll give you some flavor.



@Reality

We aren't signing much if at all this game, but +1 to your posting.

You broke it, Brigitte.
It was Implosion <- Brigitte <- Fractured <- Michael Scott.
You made it a loop! Unless you go back and vote Implosion again. And Lovebird votes us, so the chain can continue.

Any thoughts over the loop?

And of Reality Check?

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Where's that vote Vars?

Hi Taly!!!

have you already guessed who made each post in this hydra so far?

I'm confident in my answers, but I don't want to out you two if you don't want to sign.

Why haven't you responded to or questioned 15?

Also, both heads are new to not signing... so 1st and 3rd person may be present in posts.

@Brigitte

Is that Micheal vote still RVS?

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Who should I be voting and why?
And I got the rapier that has no blade, so I can't vote.

See your body into the moonlight
Even if I try to cancel
All the pictures into my eyes
Don't you see my condition?
The fiction is gonna run it again
Can't you see now illusions?
Right into your mind

Where's that vote Vars?

Hi Taly!!!

have you already guessed who made each post in this hydra so far?

I'm confident in my answers, but I don't want to out you two if you don't want to sign.

Why haven't you responded to or questioned 15?

Also, both heads are new to not signing... so 1st and 3rd person may be present in posts.

@Brigitte

Is that Micheal vote still RVS?

Where's that vote Vars?

Hi Taly!!!

have you already guessed who made each post in this hydra so far?

I'm confident in my answers, but I don't want to out you two if you don't want to sign.

Why haven't you responded to or questioned 15?

Also, both heads are new to not signing... so 1st and 3rd person may be present in posts.

@Brigitte

Is that Micheal vote still RVS?

we are committing to not signing because our posting styles are different enough for it to be redundant to sign our posts

how do you know I haven't?

Don't worry,

I

read your posts, Alyssa.

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we are committing to not signing because our posting styles are different enough for it to be redundant to sign our posts

how do you know I haven't?

I think this is Ank, then.

I haven't seen a post about you addressing the post, so I was wondering if you'd give any thoughts around it.

Our hydra not signing is more of a tool for us to read the game better.

@Vars

How about you add to the chain of votes and see where it takes us?

Okay, that's a lie, I can totally vote, I am a freaking sword, alright.
But I don't know who deserves my blade.

lol this makes me think it's town vars off first glance

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oof, this isnt even a large game and we're at page 11.

the

Taly

head will be a bit more when Spring Break starts, which for me, is after tomorrow, but I got some essays to do.

Why is there a chain in this game
it is rapier game
not chaingame

but seriously explain

I wanted

Brig

and

MS

to digress on their approach to RVS and the popcorn voting strategy.

mm

VOTE: Alonzo

I think I'll just stay in the game and vote park here until one of us dies.

Let's not inject personal feelings here.

Also, I'm not following your thought process in your other posts when I'm skimming.

you state that some of reality's posts are bad but then state

Ank

can obvtown, and so you leave it at that... while you dismiss the

Mastina

head. 95

you note the quickwagon on

implo

and says it doesn't warrant 3 votes there. 109

So why do you vote

Reality

in 110, and then shift your vote to

Implo

when

RC

doesn't agree in 111 and 112?

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Not vibing with the scumreads on

Reality

or

Implosion

.

Ank

feels like how she was in MC, but I don't want to rely on meta, specifically because she's in a hydra as well.

147 doesn't feel like a scum response to pressure or people misreading him, I also don't see much that prompted the wagon there.

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I'm directing this post to

Ank

, but it's also a bit of an announcement.

Ank

, you're pushing to engage with

Taly

and scumreading

Enter's

posts but you're not prompting much discussion, or looking at why we're not signing.

Nobody is stopping you from asking

Taly

specific questions. I'm right here.

My meta is not the same as it is when I'm in a hydra versus my solo, regardless of alignment.

Enter/I

agreed for it to be ambiguous whose posting

when the hydra was created

so it would be easier for us to read the game. Nobody would be placing too much attention to one head over the other, and the two of us would have equal voice as a slot. This is also to help us read how people ARE reading us, as that can help us gauge their alignment.

We're both working to have our posting styles mesh better.

(I'm failing hardcore at this, but I'm doing this intentionally for the post.)

If one of us bolds names in a post, or posts a GIF - it's not 100% a head until it's confirmed.

If it helps your read on this slot AND to ask BOTH heads questions ~

Taly

-specific posts thus far have been 52, 66, 78, and 259

I want to go without signing for a bit longer to see how this approach helps or detriments our gamesolving, so I don't want this to be a trend.

~ Taly

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ugh its 9 PM, i have appointment at 8 tomorrow, i havent showered yet...



first-impressions before i go

Implo, Reality, MS, Brig

have given me some townvibes.

RC/Vars

give me townpings but I want to look more at them first.

need to read

GL, Alonzo, RC, mbaki and Parm

more

UNVOTE:

I'm going to speak with

Enter

tomorrow about reads so we can be a tad more cohesive, and look deeper at what I've skimmed

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oh cool, something to help me read and evaluate later

would love some explanations and verbal replies

mbaki

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oh fuck its 9:30, which means no last-minute BS thoughts

fml

night guys

<3

i gotta sleep

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omg i need to stop looking at this thread

Enter

and I are trying to find a balance atm,

ank

I townread you, and I'd like for you to engage with both heads even if there's ambiguity on the slot.

now for real night

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fractured is on my radar. not gonna vote for them rn.

why not, when there's good wagon potential here?

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Alright I'm breaking post style for this one post because I need to share thoughts and the restriction isn't working for me to be able to push the game like I want to or need to.

This isn't a real appearance because Taly and I are still working a lot of things out. We are on at exactly opposite times, apparently, so as soon as the weekend hits, hopefully things will change.

I feel personally disconnected from the game and that sucks for me because I really like our role. I don't know if it's because I've been performing poorly in mafia recently, because I'm particularly excited about this player list, or because I was limited in my interactions during RVS due to posting restrictions and start times. I'm still very interested in fixing/changing some specific aspects of my game, so I definitely intend on returning to form after this, but the game also needs to be won, so...

1. Guilty Lion is probably scum. I don't like the minimal activity and involvement from him after I felt like I melded minds with him during marathon weekend. The laziness of this tunnel is not on par with what I expect from him.

2. Parmesan is likely town. I very much like their posts, their aggressiveness, and their awkwardness. It feels very townie to me, I trust them with probably strongest town read in the game.

3. I don't like Brigitte backing off of RC... but circumstances are weird. My specific views on plays surrounding fake replace-outs can be found elsewhere, I believe, and aren't particularly game indicative, but Brigitte felt super awkward there.

4. RC is probably town. He seems to be legitimately trying to solve the game and it's really nice to see, actually.

5. Varsoon I called you scum earlier and you didn't respond. Why not? Engage me.

6.Reality Check is Reality Check and will be sorted later.

7. I relatively recently lost a newbie game because I discounted a player as too scummy to be scum. These are four consecutive posts in Mbaki's ISO:

VOTE: parm

mostly cause of wagonomics

VOTE: Alonzo

VOTE: Lovebird

VOTE: Parm

Our vote is not currently anywhere, and I really like it here:

VOTE: mbaki

Will be back later back in original form. Apologies for the discontinuity in posting style.

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Spoiler: large nice pic :D

RadiantCowbells

- 272,

Taly

thinks

Reality

-scum would be much harsher in pushing a meta/tell-based read on our slot, and seeing the hydra consistently push thoughts forth in the thread feels a lot like town-them. It's not a very confident read, but it's what he's thought so far.

GuiltyLion

- We've both agreed on the townreads around

Implosion

and

Reality

.

(We're still thinking about MS.

Enter

isn't townreading

Brig

, and

Taly's

read on her as become less confident.)

However, while there are plenty of votes being thrown around and considerably few reads in comparison, your vote has remained on us since the beginning of the game. In fact, even while you've entertained suspicion and scumreads on other people, you haven't moved from us or added anything around stating a scumread on us. This particularly fascinates

Enter

who thought he had mind-melded with you in marathon mafia. He certainly expects more from this slot.

Taly

wants to reread

Parm

at the moment, but doesn't understand the reasoning behind the votes on them, and agrees with

Enter

on his approach to the game. It doesn't feel survivalistic, and he's bringing up multiple points in his posts that are geared directly toward gamesolving.

mbaki

is a scumread for both heads. We don't follow the thought process around his votes.

529 - You ignored

Taly

making an assessment and questioning you in 259, and you've given 0 explanation or thought around your response on

Enter's

latest post.

You've thrown a lot of votes but aren't going in depth on your scumreads, so it doesn't feel like you're motivated to work with the playerlist. In addition, you have a relatively high post count, but

Enter

thinks that you're trying to get a lot of town points for being in the thread without doing anything particularly townie, or building on townreads and scumreads.

Alonzo

- Neither of us feel strongly on them, they've posted and haven't added much to the game,

Taly

wants to look at him tomorrow when he has more time,

Enter

likes that the slot seems to be playing strangely and drawing attention, and both of us want to see more content.

Varsoon

-

Taly

and

Enter

slightly conflict with a read here.

Taly

has a townlean on

Vars

, his opening post feels tonally town, and he's voicing reads that don't follow the current wagons, which isn't like him as scum. However, he feels less passionate at the moment.

Enter

quoted the lyrics to Deja Vu by Initial D in reference to the fact that

Varsoon

was doing the same thing he was doing in Prey, but it was mostly in response to him being voteless.

Enter

is rather null on the slot at the moment.

implosion

- What do you think about all of the wagons that have occurred in the game thus far?

Enter

thinks this slot made a strong entrance, but would like an explanation on why the

Fractured

wagon was

"hot garbage"

in 165, as well as discussion on awkwardness as town and scum.

(In reference to

implosion

's post about

Alonzo

.)

Lovebird

- Very absent, neither of us feel much about them. We have the same sentiment with

Johnny

and we don't have meta or reason to think it's AI.

~ Taly and Enter

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Ive been loosely following this and I am not getting much reading.
Need a jam session with some people here.

Anyone on?

Ho,

Brigitte!

What ails you?

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I agree. I am in a similar boat, this restrained posting is weird for me to get used to. How do you feel about GuiltyLion/mbaki?

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btw enter obvtown for me ok?

Same to you.

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Talk about RadCow for a bit.

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Understood.

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wtf the quotes keep disappearing, I've tried 3 times and only one shows up when I go to preview.

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Gotta say reality check is like a ridiculously bad choice of person to fake dayvig?

@taly, I don’t even remember what I was referring to with the hot garbage comment. I think I just didn’t really like any votes in particular or smth. Not sure what else it is you’re asking.

We'd like to know your read on Alonzo, that is separate from people just entertaining that he could be scum.

Also, we haven't seen much rationale behind our votes, can you discuss yours and your thoughts around our wagon?

I figured this would be a bit more exciting...

Kittybells didn't vote us.

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Michael Scott’s activity pattern so far feels scummy. I also don’t like their posts in the past two pages especially much.

Nothing about this indicates scum.

@Michael

A lot of people are voteparking or jumping around without any resolution to their reads.... assuming they have them.

Parm

doesn't feel like scum at all looking through his ISO. He's showing a larger depth of thought in his reads than a lot of people in the game, and I like his questioning.

I don't trust the scumreads on them as much as I don't trust that several people in this game aren't pushing townreads.

It feels too easy.

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the thread was boring me

This is a boring response.

You haven't said what you wanted to come out of your vote on us or other people at the moment.

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Lovebird - Very absent, neither of us feel much about them. We have the same sentiment with Johnny and we don't have meta or reason to think it's AI.

The game's only been two days

Fractured could be scum. Last two posts are bad.

So with you being OK with voting

GL/Alonzo/Parm

, and finding that

MS'

posts are scummy without reason, us

"could be"

scum now means you have 5 scumreads and are willing to vote them.

Yet you're sticking with your original vote... and are not absolving any of these reads.

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A lot of people are voteparking or jumping around without any resolution to their reads.... assuming they have them.

Yeah, on my occasional visit to the thread I noticed this. Like nearly 30 pages and no real wagons being pushed.
Hence the questions to people to back up with their thought processes, and give me something to evaluate.

I'm feeling similarly and I think the other head does too.

p-edit

I am trying to be able to tell if Auro is posting or Volxen is posting (this helps me dissect thought patterns better).
Are the latest posts from Volxen?

That is what I was thinking.

So you're using meta for them? I find the suspicion on them to be thoroughly unconvincing.

p-edit... again

A lot of people are voteparking or jumping around without any resolution to their reads.... assuming they have them.

Yeah, on my occasional visit to the thread I noticed this. Like nearly 30 pages and no real wagons being pushed.
Hence the questions to people to back up with their thought processes, and give me something to evaluate.

So you have a dozen posts and that's our fault somehow?

This hydra had dozens of posts since last night, so I don't get your point.

Also, you have half-dozen posts that revolve around directly gamesolving and stating your positions. You have several people pushing votes on you but you haven't engaged, why?

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Brb oatmeal.

Merging posting styles is... an experience.

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You have several people pushing votes on you but you haven't engaged, why?

I think the lack of concern over being shaded/wagoned is town indicative to an extent, what do you think?

I can see it both ways. There's not a lot of force or explanation behind the votes so there's not much reason to engage.

Barely

RCs push/suspicion of me came out of nowhere and is yet unclarified despite him having plenty of games with me to build a meta based case.

Eddie is policy an transparent

Parma is unfounded, not backed up

LB is seeping RC

Are there more?

Are any of these votes AI to you?

Like I mentioned I’m on phone (also not a ton of time to look closely at stuff) until Saturday evening. So not gonna explain anything in depth til then. In the mean time, you can assume any thought process anyone is asking about has an answer of “I did it on a whim”.

Also Michael Scott is still scum~~~~~~||||~~~~~

Not vibing with this

Okay, I don't really have an opinion on the genuineness of lovebird posts right now..

Do you have an opinion on Michael - who they and Implo are stating is scum/scummy?

p-edit

Can people explain their mbaki townread?

And Varsoon scumread?

Because this head isn't feeling either.

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Taly

ho!

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I've read less than 1/5 the posts in this game.
If I'm falling off a bus, it's a short one.

Respond to my post above.

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:/

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I can't make the first move if I can't vote.

@Fractured: Respond to what, though?

Thoughts on mbaki. You haven't posted any, as far as I'm aware.

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Does anyone townread parmigiano

Can they explain why

Parmigiana how do you feel about my push on you?

I like his aggressiveness and the way he's playing seems like he's pushing for a solve.

I don't think he's scum and I think there's no wagon on him because most people would agree with me.

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Here's some un-synced thoughts of a head, breaking this up to avoid large walls.

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ISO skim leaves me with a strong townread on Fractured.

1. RVS mindmeld on townreads - I'd imagine scum would pick apart and attack one of the RVS posters, I was expecting to be called awkward for it.
2. 528 and 631 - Clear, transparent stances on things early in the game without any real need to. +town indicative.

this is a tremendously bad post, for the record

1 - everybody knows faking townreads as scum is easy. It also feels like unnatural/forced reasoning - "they're not playing how in this specific manner I would expect scum to play, therefore they're town"
2 - there was definite need to, because several people were scumreading them and voting them. like you're giving them town credit for doing something that either alignment would want to do to look town.

I have to think a townie - especially players of Auro/volxen caliber - would see that a scum!Fractured could fake this level of content so far and would have more paranoia than a "strong townread" after an ISO skim.

this feels like a fabricated townread because they already decided previously that they didn't want to scumread Fractured slot

VOTE: Michael Scott

You didn't absolve your read on us in 806, where you stated a reason to townread and a reason to scumread us

(based mostly on a read conflict and a line

Enter

has said as scum)

, even though you were telling people you wanted to sell them on voting us, but you didn't follow up on that at all. 486

What changed from this point?

When this hydra noted you've kept your vote on us, you vote

MS

over how fabricated you deem his townread on

us

to be, one of the few people who has resisted the scumreads here.

(

Vars

and

Johnny

are only other people I've seen state one)

I believe its validity because

MS

-scum has nothing to gain from that post.

So I don't understand your points on

MS

fabricating a townread.

Auro/Volxen

both don't have a lot of first-hand experience with either head, so why do you expect them to know we WOULD be scum?

You don't evaluate the post links of this hydra that

MS

made to back-up his townread. 528 631

The bolded is an assumption

MS

had planned to townread us prior to that post, off what basis?

Because

MS

isn't paranoid enough over our slot?

VOTE: GuiltyLion

I don't believe your stance here.

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It's still implosion, folks.

Taly

would like more than this.

Responding to any post outside discussing a few people would greatly improve people's perception of you this game.

What do you think about

Implosion's

recent posts?

How do you feel about

Parm/Alonzo

wagons?

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Does anyone townread parmigiano

Can they explain why

Parmigiana how do you feel about my push on you?

Can you explain your

Parm

scumread?

I feel like both heads have touched up on this. 528 631 695 854

However, I disagree with my other head that people agree with us, given the recent pages.

Probably tonight, tomorrow at the latest - when both heads can post - we'll outline our reads on

Parm

because we're not feeling the scumreads there.

Alonzo

is a little less in read confidence for

Taly

head, but both heads aren't feeling a lynch there, we plan to look focus our read there as well.

Why did you parry

mbaki

,

Alonzo

? Or did I misread...

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Consider my vote on Michael Scott.

Still don't see the case here.

~

Furthermore, I'd like

mbaki

to do something aside from dodging the posts from this hydra.

And I want

MS

to digress on his current vote.

p-edit

Taly what are your current reads?

I don't care about reasoning atm just what they are and relatively how strong they are

Strong Town:

Reality

Moderate Town:

MS, RC, Parm, Vars

Slight Town:

Alonzo, Brigitte, Implo

Most Conflicted - Discussing W Other Head Too:

Johnny

Slight Scum:

Lovebird

Moderate Scum:

GuiltyLion

Strong Scum:

mbaki

Some reads are volatile, and ones I'll be looking at more with my other head - but this is pretty much where I'm at, I distrust the gamestate.

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Taly on Reality

a lot of it is meta and tone, also because I don't see scum-motivation in your posting.

I think

Ank's

focus on this slot is mostly to get a strong understanding of the gamestate, which is very town-indicative of her, as she's looking at a tell that I confirm has validity.

Your reaction to the vig in your post where

"you played for both being vigged or it being faked"

reinforces my idea that you're coming at this with a town thought process, you're looking at different perspectives in the game and seeing how that lines up to your reads whether you post or explain them.

Still like your opener and progression in hindsight, there's an emphasis placed on solving versus pushing or throwing around scumreads and suspicion.

Not as good at reading

Mastina

, but they seem involved in the game that doesn't revolve around creating a narrative on what people should think of a slot or whether a push needs to occur with someone.

Enter

doesn't follow my read much here, and I'm discussing it with him.

p-edit

we will get to you and

alonzo

in time,

johnny

Can you re-link your posts around your scumcase here, so it's easier to follow your thought process? ty

p-edit again lol

Most Conflicted - Discussing W Other Head Too:

Johnny

Are you comfortable at this point in time with sharing with the thread what those conflicts are, and why there is a discrepancy in reads between your two heads? Where are you at in the current point in time? Could you describe this a little bit more to us?

Cheers.

More of, I want to get the opinion of my other head to help my thinking.

I like that you're building townreads and pushing a scumread coherently. I feel iffy about you gathering votes for a lynch whether that's agenda-based or not, and I like your single-minded focus and see your impatience to see flips as likely a town thought process.

You also came into the thread later, and this isn't AI in of itself, but in light of what I stated above, it emphasizes my thoughts.

But that's the thing, I have things I like and feel iffy on, and I think they're NAI or not strongly town or scum either way. I'm working to dispel this.

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fuck, I'm being too wordy for my liking

waiting for Qs to flow, come on bby's

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I am not concise enough.

Waiting for questions toward this hydra.

Is this post more like your style

Enter <3

?

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I'm pretty sure Brigitte is town, Taly

I'm pretty sure Brigitte is town, Taly

Pretty sure you only get three strikes before you're out and that's number four. :3

What reason do you have to believe

Brigitte

is not scum that is also accessible to this hydra?

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I'm pretty sure Brigitte is town, Taly

not feeling as strongly, so can you talk to me about that?

p-edit

hi bby :3

also, it's more like 7 strikes on

Ank

at this point hehe

<3

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why did i just now 100% connect that you guys are in a hood?

@reality

kind of makes me vibe with the mutual townread you guys have,

Enter

doesn't agree with me on

Reality

and we're actively discussing it, but this is my instant thought.

also this feels more like

vars

town tonally and want to know why people scumread them, will respond to them in depth later

but my family is going out to celebrate my $32K scholarship offer good vibes

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kind of makes me vibe with the mutual townread you guys have

My role pm confirms Reality as town btw. I mentioned this in my first few posts if you missed it.

I wasn't particularly certain you were serious about that; Noted.

RealityCheck

is

Taly

's strongest town read at the moment anyways and he knows them better than I do, I guess I'm just slower to come around on them.

Varsoon

, your vote isn't doing very much on implosion, will you work with us here?

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Oops, almost pulled an

Alyssa

there.

You admit you're not all that engaged. Talk to me about mbaki. Serious town read?

Also GuiltyLion. I've noticed you haven't said anything about him really at all this game.

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I'm useless
But not for long
The Future
Is coming on is coming on is coming on

I pulled an Alyssa.

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Take me down to the paradise city
Where the grass is green ...
And the walls are so big if

Humpty Dumpty

fell off there wouldn't be remains to be found.

I miss the good old walls, haven't seen one of these in a while.

Spoiler: Implosion's "Michael Scott" Case

A computer is me!!!

Order of business number one: Michael Scott. The biggest thing that feels off is the way he's responded to pressure. His responses remind me sort of distinctly of how I probably used to respond to pressure most of the times in games where I was moderately engaged as scum. His refutations are *purely* in the realm of logic. And that's kind of the problem; they feel disengaged from actually refuting the actual things people are seeing in him. In general his posting is almost obsessed with casing. He seems to categorically refuse to acknowledge as valid any reads that are not backed up by casework; see 691, 693, to lesser degrees 730, 766. I think that's a scum-ish pattern (unless he acts this way d1 in town games consistently) bc... not quite sure honestly. It's hard to explain exactly why I think that pattern is off.

I'm confident he's going to absolutely hate this case on him if he's town.

There's other things I don't like. GL mentioned 688 and I'd add the post after it. As town I don't think it's *actually* especially natural to have the progression of "I ISO'd X and have a strong townread" -> "I'm going to ask everyone that voted them about reasons as a first priority". I think this is because town will only really have this type of reaction if the person in question is being wagoned, or is a centralizing figure in the game; Fractured isn't really either of these, there were just a couple stray votes (iirc). The same thing applies to 693 because I think town's first reaction to getting a townread on someone is usually not *actually* to actively search for reasons they're wrong. It's to either call them town and then ignore them for a bit (because they don't need to focus on them), or to explain why they're town to people who they want to change the mind of... essentially for some reason this just feels like a disingenuous attempt to look like he's solving with people.

The activity point is actually really funny, because he admits his activity pattern has been bad (despite me not having explained why I thought it was bad) and then proceeds to do exactly the thing that I think is bad. I don't think low activity is scummy; the pattern I'm actually criticizing is that of popping into the thread for a period of time (maybe a few minutes, maybe a couple hours) and then disappearing for a longer stretch. I think someone recently (maybe it was rc?) mentioned that this kind of pattern is scummy, and I immediately realized "shit, i do this as scum a lot". It demonstrates very directly that someone wants to appear engaged in a game, but it is a lot more psychologically demanding as scum to muster up engagement throughout a day than it is to muster up engagement for a short burst of activity and then just let what happens happen. It's entirely possible that this isn't a real point but after responding to my activity point, he popped into the thread and posted very actively for like 3 hours, then didn't post for 12 hours, made one post, then didn't post for 24ish hours, then here we are now. The big thing here is having now had multiple days of sort of near-complete disengagement with the thread, despite being very engaged on certain other days. That to me doesn't jive as likely with "i'm town but am busy on some days" as it does with "i'm scum and am giving bursts of activity when I feel like I need to to be townread".

Actually typing this I'm curious if standard deviation of number of posts each day correlates with alignment well. Obviously there can be real life explanations (I for instance have one that I've given several times).

As for his other reaction to (GL's) pressure, we see 861:

this is a tremendously bad post, for the record

1 - everybody knows faking townreads as scum is easy. It also feels like unnatural/forced reasoning - "they're not playing how in this specific manner I would expect scum to play, therefore they're town"
2 - there was definite need to, because several people were scumreading them and voting them. like you're giving them town credit for doing something that either alignment would want to do to look town.

I have to think a townie - especially players of Auro/volxen caliber - would see that a scum!Fractured could fake this level of content so far and would have more paranoia than a "strong townread" after an ISO skim. this feels like a fabricated townread because they already decided previously that they didn't want to scumread Fractured slot

"They *could* do this as scum, hence you can't townread them for it!"

You ignore that:
1. It's an early AF townread which is obviously subject to re-evaluation.
2. Picking stances in this way is how I begin the game usually.
3. They townread virtually everyone in that RVS interaction IIRC and not just me, saying I townread them just for townreading me is disingenuous.

GL already gave a response to this but I have more to say.

First, tonally, this feels meh.

Second, like GL said, it's a strawman in a scummy way. It's ignoring the actual brunt of GL's read, which is a bad thing to pair with him constantly asking people for their reasons for reads. GL's point 1 was that it's forced reasoning that is easy to give as scum; michael scott saying "it's subject to re-evaluation" is not only a non-sequitur to GL's point here, but it's an extremely scummily defensive non-sequitur. He's accused of making up reasoning, and says "well, i might reconsider it later". I think it's clear why that just feels bad.

Point 2 I find less interesting.

Point 3, again as GL has already pointed out, MS's answer here is entirely non-sequitur. I actually have no clue whatsoever where MS got the idea that GL had been saying that he was townreading Fractured for townreading him (hoo boy that sure is a grammatical sentence i just typed out). Making something like that up out of thin air, I think, betrays a mindset.


I want to be clear about one thing though: all of this is sort of just back-justification for all of his posts just feeling really bad at first glance.
VOTE: Michael Scott
For the record, if he wants to respond to the above, he's welcome to; unless there is something interesting in his response, I am probably not going to respond to him, and will rather point out what that thing is to the crowd, so as to not potentially bog the thread.

Please expand on why you think needing people to case their wagons for you is a scum lean? I'm not sure I particularly see the "purely logic based part of it." I definitely see reasoning for this to lean a certain way, but your case didn't particularly sell me on this point and I don't want to put words in your mouth before discussing.

I checked and the votes quoted by Michael Scott here were the third and fourth on the wagon, respectively. How does this affect your read?

getting a parm wagon going will be a struggle. that's how you know it's a good wagon

Or a very bad one.

Doesn't really seem to be the case.
You can keep insisting you're town and 'everyone has figured that out' but it's not true in any sense.

I get the feeling you don't actually think it's cute and you're just trying to discredit me.

Yeah I don't believe you actually find it endearing whatsoever that I'm still pushing you.

Unless you mean 'cute' in a way that belittles and seeks to make my voice less significant, but, oh, man, that sounds a lot like a scum tactic that would be used to suffocate outlying town voices that are right.
Why does my push on you bother you so much?

I don't like this process from Varsoon.

VOTE: JohnnyEnglish

Johnny is probably town

Someone isn't paying attention.

[Fractured]

Or a very bad one.

Funny because my unpopular scumread in dance was Nancy and we all see how that worked out

It's easy to only use points that support your case and ignore ones that refute it.

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Or a very bad one.

Funny because my unpopular scumread in dance was Nancy and we all see how that worked out

It's easy to only use points that support your case and ignore ones that refute it.

My finished games this year have been pretty fucking spectacular thanks.

Noted.
I apologize, then, I pushed a similar wagon earlier this year off of a scum read + resistance tell and was wrong, so I might have been projecting slightly.

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Not interested in the parm wagon.

+1

Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.

+1

Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.

There's a fine balance between maintaining sufficient game discussion length and needlessly extending day length to the point of apathy.

I think we're coming close to reaching the latter.

What is the consequence of apathy? A flip on someone that should have been town read? Doesn't sound like we're getting a much better deal by ending day now to me.

And hence I unilaterally decide that it is in the town's best interests to put a stop to it and move this game forward.

I believe at the current stage of the game, no new and further information can be obtained, and that we are at an impasse.

Regardless of what Parm flips, I believe that we can obtain valuable information and move the game forward beginning tomorrow.

What information do we get on a Parm flip over someone else?

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Spoiler: Sample of Parmesan's ISO w/ Comments

VOTE: Alonzo

Yikes!

Vote intends to draw attentioon, which is townie. Town baits, scum buddies.

Yikes what?

Later

Baiting

Short answer I don't believe Alonzo really thinks Glion is scum

Explains enough to keep attention on target

Lol I town read Parm regardless of Alonzo/GL flips

Are u buddying me

Aggressive and the opposite of buddying.

VOTE: Alonzo

Yikes!

This votes a bit cheesy

And you're scum

Smiley's and implo's trs of me from one vote don't make sense

Again, the opposite of buddying

NVM implo explained his

Developing reads and reacting to play

Smiley's is worse.

More of the same

Wait what implo my question to Smiley was a joke but I'd rather him respond than you, why u doing that

Looking for specific answers from specific people in an attempt to sort them.

Not entirely sure 120 is entirely honest, implo made one post between Smiley's saying he didn't have enough to scumread implo and voting implo.

Smiley, did you scumread Implo more based on 113? Why if so

Trying to develop reads

Ok Smiley does feel town.
But so does RC.

Read flip is not necessarily called for but he makes it anyways because he's uninformed and wants to find scum.

not really interested in the Brigitte/Reality Check/Radiant discussion except to affirm that I buy both of Brigitte's/Reality Check's claims regarding eachother and have them both as town

I don't like! Why let them off the hook like this? If they're scum, they've bought themselves a very easy townread. But more than that, if they're scum and you're town, what could convince you to vacate that townread? Their play later on? This statement of yours bothers me

Questioning conftowns that aren't mechanically confirmed or confirmed based off play on day 1 is pretty solid, IMO.

You realize that they are not masons correct

Then why is other RC so certain brigitte is town

More asking questions developing reads.

Are they?

I'll do a closer read with ISO of you three but the impression I got was that other RC was heavily against a Brigitte train.

Paying attention and keeping track of other players and how they're related shows investment in the game and desire to find out who's going where.

Think Varsoon might be scum.

Think Implo is almost definitely town.

Smiley seems town still, so does RC.

GL is scum.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Brigitte is scum too I think.

This is not my main's playstyle, no. My main doesn't play on mobile at work.

Reads are developing and changing over time.

Parm what's your current read on Alonzo?

99 Alonzo pulls a thin justification for his RVS vote on GL
105 Either a 'OMG HES PRESSURING ME' or just trying to create a wagon
117 and 120 bad, the scum would be mbaki in this line of thinking not GL
243 was maybe a good point but also maybe nitpicking trying to look for fault in otherwise fine play, especially considering Reality Check is a hydra
255 renewing the thin justification for GL vote
258 is the worst kind of meta read
83 87 89 97 100 148 180 227 238 250 252 are all filler posts.

Damn, maybe he is scum. I had the impression from the filler posts that he was just being kind of frivolous but he's actually been pretty insistent on pushing GL for dubious reasons. 105 pushes one of my harder TRs (evidence? I can do closer reading, it's all mostly gut from one reading).

Evolution of a read. Applying thought, learning as the game moves.

Alright my vote's in the wrong place. Not sure what the right place is though. UNVOTE:

Again, adjusting to the game.

Also Varsoon I just read your ISO and I retract my lackluster/no push. But not being able to vote would be a pretty severe handicap for a town role.

I totally agree. Just played a game where the scum role was the one that lost the ability to vote (which Varsoon had, hence quoting "Deja Vu" at him).

I call it baiting...

Real talk tho, LB was a big time towny in bus drivers

You don't know how meta works and seem to be using bad meta for pushes, as you've done with LB and GL so far. Do you actually think that someone leading town in one game means that they're scum when they're quieter, or someone tending to make elaborate pushes as town means they're scum when they aren't doing so in the first 10 pages?

We know parma is reading other people, so why maintain the unfounded stuff and come up with something more concrete on me?

It's funny that you say this when I went through your entire ISO in 467, and you even responded to it. In fact yours is the only ISO I've actually deep dived so far.

Still haven't done my homework on Brigitte/Reality, mostly because I agree that they're probably town.

I also like Johnny English. Advancing the game at a point where scum could potentially wait around for a last minute lynch.

VOTE: Alonzo[/vote
]This is good.

This failure of a vote is tragic.

3 am phoneposting at work lmao. Quote is messing with my vote tag so I'll revote in a separate post if need be.

@Varsoon why do you think Implosion is scum?

More advancement of his reads, notice the read flip on Brigitte/RealityCheck - town now, where he was pushing them to at least be questioned before.

@Radiant - 467 and 468 don't really strike me as posts that scum would make

generally both he and Alonzo feel like D1 lynchbait

I might still come around on Parm but I wanna see more of who jumps on that wagon first

Thing is despite the effort to read me, his conclusions are poor, and he skipped straight over the most alignment indicative post I made (or rather didn't mention it because the meaning could be interpreted as either alignment.
Hasn't adjusted his read to anything I have done since, and hasn't looked at my larger meta)

Maybe it will change, but rn parm just looks agenda driven

What you've done since also feels scummy. I read meta when it feels useful, I don't meta everyone I vote.

If you want to help you could link a scum game you're proud of.

Working to develop a read on Alonzo, instead of just scumreading him and pushing back, which would be easy considering the number of players scumreading Alonzo.

Does anyone townread parmigiano

Can they explain why

Parmigiana how do you feel about my push on you?

I think it probably comes from a town PoV. I doubt that the suspicion is contrived, you have a lot of it from many posts. And people seem to be ignoring it, which if I were pushing a vote would make town!me even more insistent on it, and might make scum!me back off.

Btw re: 397 I think it would be hard to defend the side of Alonzo actually believing his GL scumread. 99 implies that GL's 92 is scum indicative, how could that possibly be a real opinion? Then he switches from GL to Implo then back to GL, saying in 120 that mbaki's waffling made him think Implo was town. Which would implicate mbaki, yet he goes back to voting GL. Feels like he just picked someone to tag his vote on.

How does this idea implicate GL, rather than Alonzo? I'm implying that Alonzo was using an unwavering GL scumread as an excuse not to participate in gamesolving, and is now on my wagon because apparently I am making wrong conclusions about him.

Oh yeah, 849 is a scumtell too.

Legitimate analysis of someone else's vote on you is difficult to do, especially when the end result is to assess the other player as town.

I d k

I vote u over him if that's that q

I'm a bot drunk

Are you struggling to sort my slot?

Trying to work with other players to develop the game in a positive manner.

1) RadiantCowbells

2) GuiltyLion
3) Michael Scott (hydra of Volxen and Auro)

4) Alonzo

5) Brigitte

6) Varsoon

7) Fractured (Enter + Taly)

8) mbaki

9) JohnnyEnglish

10) implosion

11) Lovebird

12) Parmigiano Reggiano

13) Reality Check (Ankamius Mastina)

I'll vote these people today and nobody else, I think.

Development of reads, working through the game down to a small enough player list.

TL;DR Parmesan has interacted with just about every player in the game, AFAIK and is actively developing and changing reads - even to the point of taking controversial stances and not pushing wagons that are counter to his own over trying to read the player instead. I don't think I saw a single point where I saw Parmesan take the easy way out, and while I mostly skimmed, the posts I didn't quote seemed to be more of the same. Someone please explain to me why they think Parmesan is a decent lynch, because in all honesty he's probably one of the strongest town players here.

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Taly head will be more present tomorrow. I've been in a somewhat poor mood today.

Some of my reads have shifted a little upon skimming and I want to resolve that, but Parm is not one of them.

I don't feel Parm is scum, I agree with most of my other heads points, and I'm not compromise lynching someone I townread, and especially a mutual townread with my other head.

Make a case about Parm that challenges our thoughts, or tell us why preflip associative reads D1 have any ground here. I'll digress sometime tomorrow if schedule favors me regardless.

Goodnight ^.^ I'd post a GIF but I'm on my phone and it's midnight :/ I should've been in bed 2 hours ago.

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Everything I can remember right in this instance that mbaki has said, I fundamentally disagree with on one of the more basic levels. Especially his beliefs about reads and the like. Ugh.

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You're right, the next time someone tries to tell me the earth is flat, I'll just keep my mouth shut because telling them I disagree is the same thought process used to support anti-vacc argument.

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The fact that you don't fundamentally disagree with anti-vacc is probably the least surprising thing here.

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You're right, the next time someone tries to tell me the earth is flat, I'll just keep my mouth shut because telling them I disagree is the same thought process used to support anti-vacc argument.

ooh, another good example! but yours only works the other way around. burden of proof is on the accusing party, not on the defender.

Actually, you're backwards. Burden of Proof is on the claimant.

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The fact that one part is accusatory in court is due to the fact that the accusatory party makes a claim. But thank you for that excellent example of a situation where correlation does not imply causation.

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that is what i just said, yes

No, it's not.

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the claimant is the accusing party, in legal terms the plaintiff

Behold! A correlation! Burden of Proof lies on the claimant, and the claimant is the accusatory party in court.

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You're right, the next time someone tries to tell me the earth is flat, I'll just keep my mouth shut because telling them I disagree is the same thought process used to support anti-vacc argument.

ooh, another good example! but yours only works the other way around. burden of proof is on the accusing party, not on the defender.

"Someone tries to tell me" = "someone makes a claim" that person is the claimant, and burden of proof lies on them.

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burden_of_proof

"Generally, describes the standard that a party seeking to prove a fact in court must satisfy to have that fact legally established."

The fact that it is the accusing party who is burdened with proof in court is an example of a correlation where causation is not present, due to the fact that in court the accusing party is the claimant. The fact that you'd use this logical fallacy doesn't surprise me, considering you think mafia is not a game of logic.

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Me too.

VOTE: mbaki

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This is the Enter head, BTW.

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1v1 me, please. I guarantee it won't turn out well for you.

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It's going to be so funny when you find out, too.

I dont really care to 1v1 a bad player that might be town, but you can 1v1 empty air if you want

I don't think empty air is capable of voting me.

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I dont really care to 1v1 a bad player that might be town, but you can 1v1 empty air if you want

Scum post from player who thinks he will lynch me.

Enter wtf was that 1v1

Are you taking me at face value?

[Fractured]

It's OK it will make sense in time it's not something you could have known about prior, honestly think we should have done this a while ago.

[Fractured]

*shrugs* if you're right, maybe we're saving your life, then.

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Enter

and I haven't had much time to sync and my motivation's dissipated a bit, as well as the strength in several of my individual reads. Time to change my approach.

Spoiler: Post reply to GuiltyLion (Also to MS as well)

Finally got to this post:

You didn't absolve your read on us in 806, where you stated a reason to townread and a reason to scumread us (based mostly on a read conflict and a line Enter has said as scum), even though you were telling people you wanted to sell them on voting us, but you didn't follow up on that at all. 486

What changed from this point?

you actually gave scumreads and better townreads that I could vibe with and imagine coming from town in your slot

Part of the stated suspicions on the slot are that the reads are forced, what do you think about

RC

and

mbaki's

position on us and

Parm

?

So I don't understand your points on MS fabricating a townread. Auro/Volxen both don't have a lot of first-hand experience with either head, so why do you expect them to know we WOULD be scum?

You don't evaluate the post links of this hydra that MS made to back-up his townread. 528 631

It's not about Auro/Volxen's meta with you specifically, it's more about what I know of both players. Auro is incredibly insightful and capable as town, and Volxen I've seen go deep into trying to clear one of his pet townreads at the expense of paranoia of two otherwise rather obvtown slots (Auro/CoA) because he was so careful about accidentally town-clearing a potential deepwolf, here. I just can't comfortably grok that they would so casually shelve you as strong-town off what you'd contributed so far. It's an alarmingly bad justification for a townread.

I don't really care about the content of those posts, I care that they suggested you "had no need" to post them. Do you really agree that scum!you wouldn't feel bothered to give some better town-looking reads at that point?

I see your point.

@MS

, you townread us but you haven't directly engaged with us, why?

To your question; since I'd work to cultivate a strong townread by that point

(around 600 posts)

regardless of my alignment, I can't say I would be bothered to make townreads.

The confidence in

my (Taly's)

townreads and scumreads have faded a little, I'm worried I've townread scum, but I don't see the scum-motivation for

MS

stating an unpopular read.

The bolded is an assumption MS had planned to townread us prior to that post, off what basis?

Because MS isn't paranoid enough over our slot?

yes.

Then why back off your push on us if you think paranoia is valid? I get your points on the

MS

read, but it feels disingenuous to push him off his stance on us if you agree with that.

Spoiler: @mbaki

mbaki

,

Enter

feels more strongly on scum-you and I want discuss this more with him, but my suspicion of you stems from voting multiple people but no clear intention of resolving your scumreads. You're going with any narrative that you can push as scum, and your early posts of evading engagement with this hydra reminds me of the game we played together last year where you danced around topics and voiced opinions at whim.

Whether this is NAI or not, I'm unsure. I don't have enough experience with you to make any meta-case but that's the sum of my hangup and I trust my other head's judgment.

Spoiler: @Vars

Varsoon

- Why haven't you moved your vote around if you're not feeling strongly about any of the current wagons?

Scum-

Vars

would be working more toward shifting the game narrative I feel... I've hydra'd with him and played with him since 2015, and while he's much lower energy this game, there's virtually no point to him baiting votes or suspicion. It feels off that he doesn't respond to this, but it doesn't ring as AI because of his personality.

Spoiler: @Parm

Parm

, a lot of people are iffy with

Parm

and even though I agree with

Enter

, I want a better look here.

1)

I've stated my reasons for

Varsoon

scum, do you disagree?

2)

Also, why is it odd for both heads of this hydra to townread you? You haven't directly challenged us on this or really countered the wagon on you either.

Will get to

Johnny/Alonzo/Lovebird

more later when I have more time and can speak with

Enter

.

Plan to ISO dive and group people, I don't want to delve into associatives but they've been mentioned and I'm working to do anything to help my thought process here.

Nobody seems to be on the same wavelength in this game and while

RC/Ankamius/Mastina/Varsoon

have a well-cultivated idea of my playstyle and personality, none of them agree in sorting or engagement with this slot.

I also think

Enter/Me

need more time playing and discussing things to gel a bit better, and most people can tell us apart with our posts, so I'm going to be very forward and give people tools to read this hydra.

Spoiler: Taly's Games

Most Recent Town Games

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78670 - Latest and most relevant town-game, I'm in a hydra though, so my posting is a little different.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=78284 - Very recent too, I repp'ed out But it's

this-year

current.

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - I rolled town in one game, and scum in another, for this 2-game-at-a-time thread. But I played more to my scum-game for majority of the game.

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - Scum-game where

Eddie

and I shared a perfect scum victory, the game we've both mentioned by this point.

Disclaimer on Meta:

This is a hydra, so my posting style is not quite the same even with my usual posting pattern.

p-edit

Welp, I think I just ate a ban.
Have fun, guys.
Sorry for being a piece of shit.

D: Can you respond to my post quickly, maybe?

<3

I like playing with you

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@mbaki
Enter won paragon, TYVM, and doesn't play scum so there are no scum games outside of marathons for Enter to link you.

@guiltylion
I want to put it out there that I feel like I am mind melding with you more and more which makes me think you're more and more town. I'm not posting very much because Taly is teaching me how he plays mafia and I'm trying to use a less aggressive, more positively assertive, posting style because of it, including thinking through my posts before I hit "Submit." Unfortunately there are people in this game with less between their brain than in the stomach of a man after a thirty day fast as far as how they approach mafia, so obviously the response to them is a bit less... controlled. I'm working on maintaining it, however.

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where

enter

at



town's winning regardless of our route, i think

Reality

is practically confirmed IC through

Brig's

role unless I've misread something.

I believe

GL's

claim, and I see no way

RC

scum would want to reevaluate his vote last minute on

Brig

, also think it's plausible that there's no NK because of a successful protection on him.

very confident that these 3 being top townreads win us game.

less willing to touch

mbaki

atm,

enter

hasn't expanded on his read there.

also lynching someone off the principal of bussing right now is a very good way to lynch town with the current numbers and gamestate.

so

{Johnny/MS/mbaki/implo}

are looking a bit more town to me at this point.

my pool is leading to sorting

{Alonzo/Parm/Lovebird/Creature}

- ill work on ISO grouping here in relation to

Brig's

ISO.

still thinking

Parm

is most likely town of the 4 of my pool but this is mostly PoE-based and

Merchant's Daughter

taught me to never locktown without role or mod confirmation lmao

also because i think we only have 2 scum left. 4-9 is overkill and 2-11 is equally ridiculous.

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looking forward to ISO diving

alonzo

as i dont have a strong read there at all

parm

is someone i want to sort last for reasons i think i just made clear

dont have any confident meta with

lovebird

... as i've rolled scum every time they've rolled town in my memory LOL, so i dont have any scumgames to compare, and they were pretty low-activity and had low/vague input in those towngames.

im second-guessing my

vars

meta/tone read a lot, it wasnt strong and the points against his slot were pretty valid, but i dont want to read the slot solely off of him since he's been replaced.

plus, my read on

Vars

was probably the most gut-like... i dont like having gut reads post-D1.

creature

is expanding their meta, so i want to sort them more directly.

VOTE: Creature

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also dis

taly

for all you meanie faces who think

enter

cant fake my level of amazingness

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also - non-game stuff

mbaki

im kind of flattered you think im a good player, lol

my record, especially this year, isnt showing it but w/e

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also - non-game stuff

hey

kittybells

what will i be doing in 12 minutes?

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also - non-game stuff

hey

kittybells

what will i be doing in 12 minutes?

kittybells

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also - non-game stuff

mbaki

im kind of flattered you think im a good player, lol

my record, especially this year, isnt showing it but w/e

i dont think

enter

bolds names in posts, so yea

Not before this game, I didn't.

But this means you think some of my posts were Talys hmmmm

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I agree on sorting Creature, mbaki is probably just bad town, Varsoon I flip flop on a lot.

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to never locktown without role or mod confirmation lmao

when you aren't bad town you'll learn this isn't true

this was

Taly's

post, lol.

...and you might want to reevaluate that thought if you ever read

Merchant's Daughter.

You seem shy to compliment me.

What is your experience with

Creature

? Do you have any meta on him that's not 100% based around activity like most people?

And still down to lynch Creature slot.

Where's the vote?

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Good, I feel better about you

mbaki

.

What about

Lovebird

and

Alonzo

?

p-edit

Where's the vote?

Feels wrong to wagon a player who hasn't even posted yet.

Any strong reads on people who have posted?

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This is last day of Spring break for me so my activity is slowing.

Plan to post in depth sometime tomorrow, not sure what Enter is doing at the moment.

~ Taly

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Michael Scott

seems pretty townie to me.

I can do this, though.

VOTE: Johnny English

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VOTE: JohnnyEnglish

Hi,

stop pushing town.

Sincerely,

Eddie Cane.

mbaki would you please explain to me what sorting is because I don't understand it at all.

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scum only died because I sat calling the same person scum through like 8 people townreading them for bullshit reasons until they died

I herded votes onto Brigitte, though yes, I will give you that its your read and you deserve a large majority of the credit for her lynch.

And now, we are at the point in the game where half the game is blatantly town and we need to rifle through the last few PoE slots and its over. Alas.

mbaki

is right, he did push

Brigitte

's lynch after

RadiantCowbells

sorted her for him. I think he is town because of this, and there is no doubt cast in my mind when he tries to grab town credit for it that he is doing it with the utmost town motivations.

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I'm pretty sure if I died last night town would still lose from here

I sincerely believe that town emirates after death would go up significantly if you explained your process for reaching the conclusions you did.

Sure, people will call your arguments bad and dumb, but those people are less likely to listen to you in the first place, I think.

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*winrates not emirates. :/

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Michael Scott

seems pretty townie to me.

I can do this, though.

VOTE: Johnny English

didn't you say a few days ago that we shouldn't lynch on wagon today? why vote the person who put 3 votes to turbo hammer on scum?

Please rephrase, because I didn't understand what you were trying to say here.

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also lynching someone off the principal of bussing right now is a very good way to lynch town with the current numbers and gamestate.

so {Johnny/MS/mbaki/implo} are looking a bit more town to me at this point.

how and why did you evolve from this to voting Johnny

Taly

is busy with school right now.

Every post but a very few at the beginning has been made by

Enter

.

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Taly

is significantly more conservative and reserved with his play.

Enter

is a bit more risky and less team-oriented as far as maintaining a healthy relationship with his teammates, at times.

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If you two 1v1 I'll lynch him not you

That said you're both strong townreads so I'd prefer that not happen.

Who are you talking to here?

This game day is dead, and both

Taly

and

Enter

are having difficulty finding reason to do things.

Enter

has tried, but it hasn't gone very far, and he is still waiting on certain things to occur. :/

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Let's lunch Alonzo please

Enter

thinks this is boring, but is willing to support it.

VOTE: Alonzo

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I don't think we need to wagon/lynch mbaki right now because I doubt he has the ability or the game state to carry all the way through LYLO at this point, just want to repeatedly highlight that I don't think he should be locktowned

lynch today should be in Lovebird/Creature if it were up to me. I can see why an Alonzo wagon would also be a good idea in terms of POE/solve but I just gut read him town and don't want to be on that one

mbaki town readers, just ask yourselves if you can remember any strong stances he's actually taken or notably game-advancing content he's produced. he knows how to interact constantly and be a presence in the thread but it's all kinda surface level stuff when you ask yourself if it really is unlikely to come from scum

Link Start!

I consider it very fitting that we have reached mind meld capabilities (except for gut on Alonzo) and you also have my rapier.

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Enter

thinks

mbaki

is funny, because he posted that he had at least some slight respect for

Taly

's ability to play mafia and none for

Enter

's, but when quoting a post in retaliation at being called out for being bad at mafia,

mbaki

quoted one of

Taly

's posts to prove that

Enter

was bad.

Enter

thinks that

mbaki

picks who is "good" and "bad" based on who makes

mbaki

feel good.

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VC 1.5

Alonzo (3): Lovebird, Michael Scott, Brigitte
Parmigiano Reggiano (2): RadiantCowbells, Alonzo
Michael Scott (2): GuiltyLion, implosion
implosion (1): Varsoon
GuiltyLion (1): Fractured
JohnnyEnglish (1): Reality Check


Not Voting (5): JohnnyEnglish, [Keen], [Keen], mbaki, Parmigiano Reggiano

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 04:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Notes:

does a lovebird/brigitte/alonzo scumteam do this

Considering

Alonzo

parried

mbaki

(and carried the ability to parry) I don't know that this is particularly AI.

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Alonzo or f33d

Alonzo

or pick Meepo?

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wait creature is very likely town too if my 'tell' on him is accurate

guiltylion/

no

parmesan/

less strong no, but no

michael scott/

still less strong no, but no

johnnyenglish

Yes!

might have the other two scum?

I'm okay with alonzo

also yes.

being in there too, they're my most stale townread :V

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Meepo is good stfu

I probably can't play him.

Just last pick it so they don't winter wyvern

A wyvern on the other team is another player on your team.

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what are your reads even atm enter

Town:

RC
RC
GL
Parmesan

nothing ai => scum
mbaki
JE

scum
alonzo

who
creature
lovebird

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Fractured

isn't on the list either.

Why would I put down people who I know the alignment of?

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so atm you think it's alonzo + (mbaki/JE) with some odds of creature/lovebird?

Yes.

Fractured

isn't on the list either.

Why would I put down people who I know the alignment of?

This isn't a PR claim.
implosion is obvtown.

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don't lie
you fucking forgot
just like you forgot my birthday

Well.... yes, but also you are obvtown.

I stopped reading you after your befaffle with Varsoon day 1 because it was so obvtown I don't think you could have been scumread by newbtown in lylo.

so atm you think it's alonzo + (mbaki/JE) with some odds of creature/lovebird?

Yes.

Fractured

isn't on the list either.

Why would I put down people who I know the alignment of?

This isn't a PR claim.
implosion is obvtown.

Rofl

Think about what you are saying here... That me and my scum buds strategy was to bus each other relentlessly from the start..

... when would it ever not be?

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Fractured

isn't on the list either.

Why would I put down people who I know the alignment of?

man

this is a weirdly defensive post

I don't want to entirely walk back the townread I was getting on this slot but why wouldn't you just say you forgot

like if you were really leaving off the obvtown then you should have RadCow off of it too because I docced him and so he's literally town in all universes except those of RadCow/GL scumteam

bored is a better word for it :3

you misread tone but it's ok i don't blame you

it's my fault for not using emojis

yeh i forgot but i thought it was funny i forgot so i made joke

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so

Taly

was recently asking me why people are townreading us

and then you make this post

i don't mind being scumread but if you scumread me because you thought my joke was defensive

i will be disappointed in you

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A lawn Zoe was u gonna is doing a claims

Derpends, did we lynch Lurvebud yit?

wwwwwwwwwwait.

i have an idea

brigitte self-voted
and she was scum
so why don't u

follow suit

I'm never going to be able to catch up

nothing has happened just talk about d1

it's what everyone else is doing

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RC, relax.

This is BoP. You're fine.

Almost everyone here is at least somewhat competent and capable of reading the game on our own.

We won't instalynch anyone, and if someone quickhammers before we're ready, we're competent enough to put 'em in the dirt the next day.

Just play mafia, dude. I feel like it's my mission to make this fun again for you, to the best of my ability. Just relax.

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why not?

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fuck, I'm going to try and post a bit tonight as the thread exploded a bit.

:/ This is the busiest week of the semester

if someone wants to ask this hydra questions then I 100% encourage that you do, as we're both trying to find time to sync a bit more.

hi

enter <3

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VOTE: Creature

Lynch the deep wolf.

Hi,

Taly <3

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Having fun


Mafia

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having fun

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i think that replace out makes him town

I think that replace out has nothing to do with this game at all.

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We are catching each other up on reads and the likem

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I thought you were both trolling and talking about yourselves at first and then I realized that it could go either way and I don't like it.

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One of you being cuter than the other doesn't make the other not cute.

Js.

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patpat

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Town:
implosion
RC
RC
GL

No GL is bad vote

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This hydra's been working back and forth on/off for a few days, and both of us have had much less activity. X_X

Taly

had more presence/posts/walls and activity D1, and

Enter

is doing most of the small responses D2 if it helps people read our progression. Us coming into this game as a hydra partially reflects our individual amount of time we can devote to a game.

Here's the differences between our thoughts of the gamestate and our reads.

Taly

head is pretty annoyed with the votes outside of

Creature/Love/Alonzo/Parm

and doesn't think there's been any noteworthy reason to scumread

Johnny/MS slot

aside from

Enter's

reasoning.

Also, the replacements are muddling the game, and people need to push forth reasons behind their scumreads more coherently.

Majority of votes this dayphase have been

Enter

, who thinks scum could've bussed

Brig

and feel

MS slot/Johnny

are least town within

Taly's

non-suspect pool.

Enter

is upset with this stale game state and feels that town is borderline throwing, and thus is throwing reads at a wall until something sticks or makes sense.

Also, neither of us think

Parm+Brig

is plausible upon re-ISO and skimming.

~Taly and Enter

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Thoughts revolving around recent votes/pool.

Spoiler: Written Prior to Insomnia replace-in about Michael Scott

Michael Scott

is playing significantly less like BoP mafia (the slot seems to actually have reads this game) and

Enter

is allowing his ego to inflate far more than it ever should from that game, and thus will call

MS

town for now.

insomnia

, how far have you caught up? You've stated thoughts about people's alignment and what others think, but where's the vote?

JohnnyEnglish

could easily have bussed

Brigitte

.

Enter

does not like the pre-flip interactions with

Brigitte

and felt they were a bit off, and considers this possible indication that she already knew she was dead. They've also dropped off in content and our previous townping on the slot has muffled.

Spoiler: Written Prior to Performance replace-in about Lovebird

Lovebird

has not been involved enough to deserve a read except through the process of eliminating every other player from the plausible pool.

Taly

feels much less willing to vote this, as there had been no resistance toward the wagon and

Lovebird

siteflaking is both NAI and if replaced, D1 posting is even less viable of a read to base our thoughts on this slot.

Here's some Qs to help

Performer

orient themselves into the game.

1)

What do you think about the solve

Taly

created in 1752, and which of the pool feel strongest scum to you?

2)

Thoughts on the 90-99 pages - specifically the

mbaki

and

RC

interaction?

Creature

is deep wolf. This

Enter

knows. In all seriousness,

Creature

is in the same pool as

Lovebird

pre-replace.

Why did you state that the votes on

Lovebird

were anti-town 2038, yet vote

Lovebird

yourself? 2068

Alonzo

could easily go either way, but 2229 doesn't make sense as a defense since they weren't on the

Brig

wagon.

~Taly and Enter