Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Flavor Leaf]

@Mustang - I think I scared him off with my cologne gambit

[Something_Smart]

Why do you think you made Siv leave? The replace-out seemed pretty random to me.

You didn't read it as tactical? That...surprises me actually.

It's nice to assume other people aren't breaking the rules...

[Vorkuta]

As for Fus's comment:

Are they 'maybe scum would do this' or 'this seems really odd and out of character'?

I don't exactly know your characters/personalities. I was actually thinking of making an early request to get people to describe their own town/scum playstyles in the hopes that

people would actually do it

I'd get some insight and other players could verify/police the claims.
I have my own personal thoughts about how I think town/scum should be played, and when I see a discrepancy that's a ping.
However hasn't worked very well in

any

my past games,

So I'm thinking I try """learning""" and to find a way to not "lose/fuck up in the same way twice", but I'm still slightly confused about what concrete steps I take this game to get there. Also as for

Who pings you? You wont get answers if you dont ask.

With this player roster, I'm pretty sure any questions/pressure I can generate could very simply be swatted away.

case in point: FL what is cologne?

Also I really don't like tunneling players- I've tried it in a newbie game and I didn't get a feeling of pride and accomplishment, or any results.

[Something_Smart]

@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m getting Vorkuta town vibes.

His strike comments is townie. I expect scumVork to do that as well, but townVorkuta’s strikes just seem to come so naturally.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

Did I lose a scum game...? I don’t remember losing one since Magical Stories.

[Vorkuta]

I don’t remember losing

THIS GUY

Do you kind of see why I tongue-in-cheek want him lynched?

[RCEnigma]

Why do you think you made Siv leave? The replace-out seemed pretty random to me.

You didn't read it as tactical? That...surprises me actually.

It's nice to assume other people aren't breaking the rules...

Ye of too much faith.

[Something_Smart]

@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

Did I lose a scum game...? I don’t remember losing one since Magical Stories.

Yeah, it was 2IAM's game about a year ago. You were scum on Morality (this was actually when I learned Morality was you) with Kokichi and Maria, and Dunn and the worst used their PR's really well and kinda rolled you

[RCEnigma]

So you were just lurking admittedly.

*crickets chirping*
Yep looks I'm just active at different times

Nice. Just checking.


@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half, so if you think this is master level scum play going down, be my guest.

There is almost nothing I deem outside of your scum range.

For example based on this statement can I see you taking a passive role as scum and orchestrating pushes via your partners? Yes. Especially with a decent portion of slots coming out of a very very recent game where you actively bullshitted your way through day 1 to a win.

[Baezu]

cybnumber, alchemist, rce, slaxx, ausuka
umlaut, S_S, hitalt, vork
flavor, baezu

I need more from cyb, umlaut, flavor, alchemist.
Ive decided that while I dont "like" hitalt, they are putting forth content and can thus be sorted, in time.
Baez, you have to stop clamming up. Its a bad look.

I liked slaxx's entrance. I liked rce's earlier posts. I liked what I did get from cyb, and I do kind of townlean on alchem, though that may be premature.

Glad you think I look good when I’m talking! j/k I’m a bit toasted but I have a response coming in a bit!

[Flavor Leaf]

@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

Did I lose a scum game...? I don’t remember losing one since Magical Stories.

Yeah, it was 2IAM's game about a year ago. You were scum on Morality (this was actually when I learned Morality was you) with Kokichi and Maria, and Dunn and the worst used their PR's really well and kinda rolled you

Oh that game. I thought that was before?

Two confirmed a townie and refused to retract/not post even after I asked for that specifically not to, and it incriminated me and confirmed a townie, and LUV resigned.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh dang. I don’t even remember that game too much.

That’s a different one.

Maria and I didn’t have much cohesion. I’m not good at scum on Morality.

[Vorkuta]

*pokes thread with stick*

Guys I'm slightly scared that we'll end up with a deadline lynch at this rate of activity.
There hasn't really been a wagon on anyone but Baezu so far

and S_Smart RVS stage

[Fuscosco]

Remember when I asked who we should lynch and who pings you? Who vork?

[Vorkuta]

And then you made a readlist in #384, so work your way backwards from there.

How about the rest of the cast? I'd like more votes to look at.

[Dannflor]

Prodding cbynumber.

[Ausuka]

Alchemist how are your reads looking right now?

[Something_Smart]

*pokes thread with stick*

Guys I'm slightly scared that we'll end up with a deadline lynch at this rate of activity.
There hasn't really been a wagon on anyone but Baezu so far

and S_Smart RVS stage

Do you have an issue with the Baezu wagon?

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist how are your reads looking right now?

About the same as they were before but added Townleans to Slaxx and Fuscosco.

[Ausuka]

Rn I think Baezu is scum because:
1) I think her early game was kinda trying to blend in more than anything without much desire to scumhunt.

S_S and Fuscosco are obviously not scum together. Likewise S_S and HitAlt.

Why'd you put a vote down before you had an answer to your question?

Weird question. Why wait? When should someone put a vote down?

I found that weird also...It’s RVS why does he need to wait to cast his vote for you?

UNVOTE: umlaut

Liking his posts

I’m happy considering SS, ausuka and especially umlaut towny for now

In other news, methinks hitalt is seeming pretty scummy

She echoes Umlaut's question, unvotes him and gives pretty plain reads on the rest of the players. Like there isn't much scumhunting intent behind these posts and they look more like "I'm trying to post stuff that looks normal" than "I'm trying to find and lynch scum."

2) 146 and 156 seem weird to me. Like she just kind of votes FL and then unvotes? I feel like she's just trying to hop on the wagon and then unvotes once she realizes it's a serious thing?

3) Her scumread on me imo makes no sense. I'm trying to distance myself from RCE in a post where I unvote him? I don't think she's reading my posts that carefully if she's asking why I'm voting Siv; I made that clear in the same post that I voted him in the first place. These are the only two real points I see; anything else is kinda vague. She says that I seem like someone playing scum really well - but apparently this is just a compliment and not a point at all, so I think this is it, other than that my playstyle is "too perfect" - which just seems nonsensical. What even is a perfect playstyle anyway?
My suggestion as to why she'd do this as scum instead, is that she's being wagoned up and needs something to change. Her partner(s) may be lurky or have given up already. So, seeing herself in a tough spot, she may attempt to push a player she sees as obviously town, and then say this as a defense:

If ausuka does end up getting lynched and she does happen to be town, I'm pretty much getting lynched Day 2. As scum, I would not feel comfortable going after someone whom everyone sees as "so town" - losing a scum day 2 would seriously cripple the scum team. If I were scum, I'd put my vote where the majority of votes are going so as not to draw attention to myself

I think this is a more likely thought process than any town thought process behind her push.

I’m gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx

mmm

I see you've already made up your mind about me, and so everything I say you're using to support your theory, which is fine, but I would encourage you to take those lenses off and actually read the content of my bigger posts

This also doesn't seem like something you say to your top scumread.

4) She seems very postury at points. Specifically:

I’m gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx

This honestly just screams fake to me.

Well, sounds like there’s a consensus. So why haven’t I been lynched yet? Make it happen, guys. I’m not going to vote myself. Wouldn’t everyone rather have actual concrete information with which to work tomorrow?

This isn't as fake as the quote above but I'm a little wary about how she seems to change to and from this mindset so quickly.

5) She says things like "I'm gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx" and Slaxx is the more scumread of me and him I think. She even says at one point there should be a wagon on slaxx - why doesn't she ever try and make one happen?

6) Her mini-push on RCE is weird and doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Like she says that he's likely to be scum because a lot of his posts don't have much content - I think this is a strange way to look at RCE rather than judging him by how much scumhunting he's done overall. She says this is subjective but like I don't really see how it is? Perhaps more importantly, she calls voting Siv an "easy mark" but she also has Siv as her second top scumread - surely she should be understanding where RCE is coming from on this rather than criticizing him for it? Like I don't get the attitude of calling a scumread an easy mislynch.

Can someone who townreads Baezu tell me why? If anyone explained it already I totally missed it but I don't think they have.

[Ausuka]

Slaxx - what happened to your sr on Baezu? It was, like, really extreme. She's still the top wagon and if you were scumreading her I presume you'd still be voting her, so what changed?

[Ausuka]

RCE what do you think of Baezu now? You sounded like you scumread her but you've voteparked Slaxx for a while now.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx - what happened to your sr on Baezu? It was, like, really extreme. She's still the top wagon and if you were scumreading her I presume you'd still be voting her, so what changed?

Nothing happened to that read.

I think it’s pretty evident what changed though? Obviously I wanted pressure on someone else. It’s interesting no one bit and sheeped, but no one criticized my logic either.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Baezu

I’m fine with this. If a counterwagon had popped up on Fu after I tried to lead one I would have felt more confident in this being scum but I think it still has high equity.

There’s a world where they’re both scum, but that doesn’t seem to be the streak I’m on lately so lol