Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Slaxx]

Your

That’s a typo I’m not that far gone

[Slaxx]

I’m not sure.

I actually think Volxen has given a decent amount with his walls. It’s kind of a what he presented, how he presented, Kinda thing. Came off very projects to me, like he was trying to appease.

No that’s false.

He gave a noncontroversial townread then hedged his bets between us and danced around scumreading me. His play has been very underwhelming especially for a content rich game like this.

[Vedith]

Also I try not to do activity tells especially between hydras and single players but he’s much more engaged as town on his Michael Scott hydra, and when we hydraed together as scum on The Great Wall he kinda set back and let Auro and I run the show. I don’t know if that’s really factoring into my decision, there’s plenty of in game reasons, but that’s a little cherry on top I guess.

Do not want

[Slaxx]

I’m right on this one Vedith

I can feel it

In the air tonight

Come on

[Ausuka]

as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse

This type of AtE always pokes at me, and seeing as I have nothing else to go on but arbitrary scum points:
VOTE: Baezu

My two cents:
RCEnigma and SSmart are both doing what they did last game w/ me so townpoints.
Ausuka and Umlaut are trying to solve

and are explaining the game to me

- townpoints galore

cynumber is a filthy casual

I don't know how I feel about self-votes during RVS especially from players I've never seen before, so I have nothing to say about that.

And uhh.... yeah that's it for me

After reading Baezu's games I have concluded this is neither her towngame or scumgame and am somehow more confused than I was before.

[Ausuka]

that q+ was not intentional and to be honest I have no idea how it happened I'm not even on mobile this time.

[Vorkuta]

My only game experience with Volx is where he lurks, makes like 10 posts (RVS and fluff, with like a grand total of 2 analysis posts that have no followup), and replaces out.
He was scum that game so.....

@Slaxx- I was being facetious with "I'll vote off once he says literally anything"
Like Fus I think has a genuine chance of being scum. I don't have anything on Volx. That's the distinction.

[Slaxx]

Oh

Maybe I’m stupid but that sarcasm wasn’t evident

[Vedith]

VOTE: Volxen

I'll dabble in the fine arts of this.

[Slaxx]

\o/

[Vedith]

\o/

[Vorkuta]

his entrance was a vote onto the main wagon

Do you mean the S_Smart wagon where he self-voted?
Because... I hate to break it to you.... RCE did exactly the same thing afterwards.

Or the Baezu one?
In which case I was the 2nd/3rd (RCE on, RCE off, Alch on, Vork on) person on the wagon.

[Ausuka]

as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse

This type of AtE always pokes at me, and seeing as I have nothing else to go on but arbitrary scum points:
VOTE: Baezu

My two cents:
RCEnigma and SSmart are both doing what they did last game w/ me so townpoints.
Ausuka and Umlaut are trying to solve

and are explaining the game to me

- townpoints galore

cynumber is a filthy casual

I don't know how I feel about self-votes during RVS especially from players I've never seen before, so I have nothing to say about that.

And uhh.... yeah that's it for me

i meant the Baezu wagon and you're right oops

But like considering the circumstance even if you were the 2nd actual vote I think the vote was a fairly safe one. RCE voted for her and then unvoted, and me and Fusco expressed some level of support for the wagon.

[Vorkuta]

expressed some level of support for the wagon.

I kind of dislike the assumption that "because many people SR someone, a wagon exists"- I think I helped start and push the wagon which led to the town!baezu view we have now.
I mean ok- upon rereading the exchange I can get why you think I was """hopping on the baezu wagon"""

with my second vote..

but still...

Also

a tr on the four most active players

{rce, hitalt, ss}
{alchemist, fuscosco}
{cbynumber, Flavor leaf, umlaut}
{vorkuta}
{baezu, siv36}

This is, like, startlingly close to sorting by postcount.

I'm just saying that this slight shade at me feels a bit agenda-driven when
-other people are guilty of exactly the same thing you accuse me of.
-the same arguments apply to you, and I dislike anything that's "Oh well it's ok if I do it, but the other guys are scummy when they do it"

You've built up enough town points/trust with me and I've agreed with your arguments before, so I have to decide how to balance this and where you stand .

[Vorkuta]

However Day 1 I think we should probe/engage Fus/Volx for the time being.

I'd argue that Fus is just as bad as Volx is, except Fus has been proven to be online (due to his highquality and gamechanging posts right below the most recent VC).
If we're going to kick a dead horse due to inactivity/lurkiness, why not Fus?
Or is there something objectively worse in Volx's posts (I got the "non-controversial reads" and "repeating what others said" in his wall from Slaxx) than in Fus's?

[volxen]

(Aus, Vedith, Alch, RCE)
(Vork, FL)
(Fus, HitAlt, Baezu)
(S_S)
(Volxen)

VOTE: Volxen

I don’t like that all Volxen has done so far is pry a bit at me and call Ausuka town. I slept on it and I don’t like the wagon directing either. I also don’t like how’s he is subtly reframing things people are saying. Like, when I said I was concerned that his only content was Ausuka related he switched that to me discouraging him from sharing reads. There’s a piece of me that thinks maybe I could have been more explicit about it but I feel like what I said was fairly self-explanatory.

S_S is probably a pretty malleable read, I go back and forth.

Both these players I feel like I have to pull teeth to get content from and I’d be surprised if they were both town. I know people are less confident on Alch than I am but trust me there.

I claim VT.

I think Slaxx is very likely scum here. Not only has he hydra'd with me before in Lynchpin (link: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78192), but he has seen town!me as well in Kids with Guns (link: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78188) and Lovers and Losers (link: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=78159), and he knows I'm a heavy analytical/mechanical player. It shouldn't surprise him that I would do VCA like that, even on a day one wagon before any flips have taken place, and yet he thinks I was being scummy/opportunistic with the VCA. I do this kind of VCA a lot as town, because I think it's probable that either Baezu is scum or at least one of the five people on her wagon is scum. Slaxx apparently thinks that's not a reasonable conclusion for town!me to come to based on Baezu's wagon.

I have a hard time buying that he is as convinced about me being scum as he claims to be based on our history together. And if he has looked at some of my other town games besides the two that we have played together, he would also know that I usually don't become strong town or obvtown until day two or later. I frequently get wrongfully accused of being scum on day one. If he is scum, it makes sense that he would want to push me as a day one deadline lynch, when it would still be "easy" to get me mislynched. The one thing that is giving me pause is that I observed his town game in Forest Fire (link: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=78729), and he was wrong in a lot of his reads in that game. But his push on me just doesn't seem genuine; it doesn't come across like wrong!town.

He starts out by calling me underwhelming. I then point out some of his predecessors posts which pinged me. He says I am "dancing around" a scumread on him, and then when I actually try to engage him he doubles down on scumreading me and votes me for me. He has made next to no effort at engaging with me, but he is fully content with me being lynched today. It feels like he was going to "arrive" at a scumread on me regardless of how I reacted towards his slot. I don't get the sense that he is someone who is really trying to determine my alignment, because I think he already knows my alignment.

Ausuka has played with me before, and I'm a bit surprised at her quick jump on to my wagon considering she saw me get mislynched as town in Purgatory (link: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77737) because I "didn't have a lot of posts". However, she doesn't have the kind of firsthand experience with me that Slaxx has, and I still think her ISO is overall towny and she is likely just wrong!town.

VOTE: Slaxx

[Vorkuta]

This is quality.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is quality.

Yeah, but is it quality town posting, or quality scum projecting a solid case onto a townie for reasons to “mislynch” them rather than scum read them.


Or is it scum who’s going down, who sees scumminess in their partner, so they case to distance?

He claimed VT, so I say we lynch there so we don’t have anymore claims this day phase. Worst case scenario, we lose a VT here, best case, he’s a scum PR.

[Vedith]

Lynch all non PR claims \o/

But I don't actually know how I feel on this. I will worry about it later.

[Fuscosco]

Vork, why are you pushing me? couldnt I have just sank you and moved on as scum?

[Slaxx]

I said nothing about VCa. You keep doing this, you keep reframing the conversation to things that I’m not saying. You’re scare crowing.

If you’re a heavy analytical town player why have you given absolutely no unique insight into the state of the game? Nothing you’ve said makes me think you’re trying to solve. What are your other scum reads? Who can’t you figure out and why?

This is not town you.

[Vorkuta]

But I don't actually know how I feel on this. I will worry about it later.

+1

couldnt I have just sank you and moved on as scum?

-should've tried it
-even an almighty and powerful scum!fus might need a vork ally no?
-that's not a defense of the points MADE against you, it's an appeal to..... self-meta?

I'm not going to speculate on what scum!everysingleplayer might do or not do.
There have been way too many cases where town players don't play to what I perceive to be their optimal win conditions, and scum plays that just baffle me, so "scum!fus wouldn't do that" isn't really an argument that holds up.

[volxen]

This is quality.

Yeah, but is it quality town posting, or quality scum projecting a solid case onto a townie for reasons to “mislynch” them rather than scum read them.


Or is it scum who’s going down, who sees scumminess in their partner, so they case to distance?

He claimed VT, so I say we lynch there so we don’t have anymore claims this day phase. Worst case scenario, we lose a VT here, best case, he’s a scum PR.

If I am lynched I want Slaxx vig-shot if we have a vig.

[Vorkuta]

If I am lynched I want Slaxx vig-shot if we have a vig.

Vetoing this.

These ultimatums are bad and anti-town.
Both of you could be wrong!town on this.
There could also be a better and otherwise unlynchable target *coughs*

Morality

*coughs* that a vig could shoot instead.

also former vig here: did not like being put in this situation at all

[volxen]

Actually, if we have both a vig and an investigative, I think Slaxx should be vig-shot and Baezu should be investigated.