Mini Normal 2062: Erinnerungen (um game over)

[Vedith]

Hello friends.
I'm a little nervous here so I'll wait to drop my RVS vote to see who votes where first.

[Vedith]

Are you one of them?!

[Vedith]

4 Mafia in 13p?

[Vedith]

Seems a bit much. If true I guess we're looking at a traitor or traitors.
I believe you though \o/

[Vedith]

Pers plays to the "book".

[Vedith]

VOTE: vedith like he's doing him a favor by believing him.

Of course. Me saying I believe him encourages others to not try and shade it.
As Scum, Pers won't give shit away for free. As town he plays by the "book".

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

??!?

First game on the site. So I'm not sure how to act or play.

[Vedith]

Someone is salty...

[Vedith]

mutantdevle's game

I couldn't find it on your games so I'll take your word for it.

[Vedith]

VOTE: L84Dnr
Funny avatar, seems to be looking at me.

[Vedith]

I think we should lynch L84Dnr

[Vedith]

Policy lynch over humour? Seems a bit harsh, especially since a lot of players haven't chimed in yet.

I'm fully against humour!

[Vedith]

Let’s spice things up a bit.

Hardclaiming Masons with Vedith.

Aside from painting a bullseye on you I'm not sure what this claim does.

He forgot the part where we are 3shot BP masons.

This is NAI from FL I've seen it as both Scum and town with him.

[Vedith]

Can I buddy you?

I think you're town.

@FL

Maybe Scum here.

[Vedith]

Funniest part is, he said that after I said I have a weakness for buddying,

That's why it's scummy. Trying to look town I think.
Maybe.

[Vedith]

I want to hear more from John Marv. He's pinging me as scum.

You should interact with them in that case. Or did you just want to look like proactive?

[Vedith]

"there's a scum chat?"

Thought scum didn't even know each other.

?

[Vedith]

Wilky maybe town.

[Vedith]

I am getting a lot of hate from some bunnies and the like. I cannot tell if you are ignorant like me or are taking out a pick as mafia.. I wish I could reveal myself in some way but that's the curse of vt

Probably town.

[Vedith]

What do you think of the flippyNips meta discussion, Vedith?

What meta?

And your comment was you would like to hear more. If someone says that about me I'd just ignore it regardless because there's progression effort.

[Vedith]

You don't have access to it?

I don't?

[Vedith]

FlippyNips has a hilarious meta because he rolled scum like 4-5 times in a row as a newbie.

And then he got night killed Night 1 when he finally rolled town.

That's not meta, that's just a form of events.
What's the relevance?

[Vedith]

He has an extremely obvious meta is all. It’s literally brought up in every game I’ve ever played or seen FlippyNips.

He’s got the Creature curse.

Fair enough.
It has no relevance to me then I guess other than are you saying he's Scum or town?

[Vedith]

I guess it was my way of drawing attention to his posts. I simply need more input from him.

Do you have a read on flippyNips?

Sorry I missed I think.
Okay that's fair.

No read at all. In fact I'm lost im the game and trying to read backwards right now.

[Vedith]

You wouldn't have reason to town read me yet.

[Vedith]

im the game

All of a sudden your play style makes perfect sense LOL

You win! \o/

[Vedith]

I know wilky, FL and Pers IRL

[Vedith]

Yeah I'm Wilky's big brother.

[Vedith]

Cant have SK in 13p.
But when did FL become so helpful?

[Vedith]

They got rid of the IC position in newbie games, so I’m essentially considering this an IC game because newbs.

Interesting.

[Vedith]

Damn dude, way to make me look like weak and useless individual, only existing to be around you.

If it helps you look strong and independent to me.

[Vedith]

I’m gonna hyper analyze Vedith, YellowSnow, and Creature for y’all when I have the time.

I'd prefer you didn't.

[Vedith]

I’d prefer you did, just so we’re all on the same page.

I'm 2 books behind.

[Vedith]

How well do you think you can manipulate all those people you know IRL?

[Vedith]

It just makes me cautious if they are newer players and you have influence with them.
I'm sure I'll get a read on you before the day is over at least.

[Vedith]

I’m actually more likely to be lynched with them here than if they weren’t, to be honest.

Well that pleases me none the less \o/

[Vedith]

I know wilky, FL and Pers IRL

Er, no.

That hurts. :<

[Vedith]

URA rolled Scum?

[Vedith]

Why? Do you prefer playing as scum?

[Vedith]

Oh.

[Vedith]

I have nothing to say to that.
My view on you doesn't change. You should suggest who I should be looking at though. \o/

[Vedith]

So I should look into TLK then?

[Vedith]

Why is FL town? Or townier

[Vedith]

I can see that. That's what worries me about him.

[Vedith]

I'll look at that TLK

[Vedith]

With this many scum and this many n00bs there's good odds on n00b scum, so let's talk to the silence.

So tell me your reads again?

[Vedith]

Yes.

[Vedith]

Persivul's strong town, though not quite for the reason most people are looking at.
John Marv and Yellow Snow are at 3 posts each and I'd like to know why.
I'm still waiting to hear back from Burkenstock.
Flavour Leaf is pinging me as slightly scummy but I'm having a hard time reading him.

Does Pers claim help your town read though?
You shouldn't put alignment to activity. But I like that your questioning it.
FL is pinging me as town which I don't like.

You might be town
UNVOTE: L84Dnr

[Vedith]

I normally have some doubt and it normally takes a bit more into the day to town read you.
Or when a bad push is on you.

[Vedith]

Really busy, catch up later / tomorrow.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Scepticism
Burke could go either way for me right now.

[Vedith]

Is Persivul actually known for playing in a by-the-book manner as town?

Yes.
He believes that as town everything should be done by X way.
Pers is going to be town here most certainly.

[Vedith]

Whatcha got for reads again?

I'm still working out who I think is Scum.
I moved you to plausible town, FL can stay as town but I'm not setting the cement yet.
L84Dnr town.

Today and yesterday was considered as my weekend so I've actually spent majority of it on League when I should have been here. I'll prioritise this game next until I get better reads though.

[Vedith]

Yeah lack of VC is an issue and giving no motivation for catch up.

[Vedith]

So why is Burkenstock Scum?

[Vedith]

So why is Burkenstock Scum?

I made myself an easy target.

Okay well up who do you suggest I vote?

[Vedith]

I don't feel nips has had an impact on me.
What else is scummy for him?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Okay I can go for this.

[Vedith]

Here comes the wagon resistance.

[Vedith]

I'm not against humour, that was a joke that anyone who has played with me will understand.

[Vedith]

L8 isn’t the Lynch for today #ShutItDown

I don't know how I feel given that I agree with Nips here.
L8 just looks town to me.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Emporer flippynips
I'm going to bed then I'll think again tomorrow.

[Vedith]

You okay there URA?

[Vedith]

I don't know about Wilky.

[Vedith]

Once again a wagon. But it feels desperate more so than actual scum reading.

Couldn't the same be said about you?

[Vedith]

TLK talks about Wilky eager to end the day whole putting Wilky at L1.
Let's just take that in for a moment.

[Vedith]

I have no reason to be desperate. So I don't think that applies.

If you're Scum buddy is at L2 of course you have reason to be desperate.

[Vedith]

If you or Wilky can prove that Wilky has done these things too, please do.

If I can prove he has done things?
What?

Wilkys posting looks town. If you actually read his ISO it looks like he's making progression on his reads which Scum just don't do, even more so day 1 as they don't want to be stuck with reads.

Voting in someone outside of your town pool doesn't mean it's Scum motivated.
I've swapped my votes plenty, why are you not putting the pressure on me for it?

[Vedith]

Green flip means I lynch in DEB or TLK.

[Vedith]

I'd love some info.
VOTE: Burkenstock
UNVOTE: Emperor flippyNips
This is what I originally wanted anyway! Let's doooooo itttttt!

Don't let this shit fly by tomorrow regardless of flip.

[Vedith]

I'm also pretty eager to end the day. So I put him at L-1. If he's a vig, that's a big blow. But plenty of people tried not to get killed. If he was something we didn't want to lose, I wish he said something sooner.

15mins between the last 2 votes and no intent or posting to even try and get this.
If Wilky is a town PR don't go blaming this on Wilky.

And how the fuck can you use Wilky being eager to end the day and then say this?

[Vedith]

Im just going to wait for flip now.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

[Vedith]

I don't scum read lolhammers day one by the way, so you're good for now

Some good sense on ye.

@Vedith, take notes from Sleepless Things.

It's not the hammer itself. It's how fake your read progression was.

[Vedith]

I already did.

[Vedith]

Vedith and i am an animal 4 are really quick to get the voting started here on D2. Don't consider this an OMGUS suspicion. If you start voting me, of course, you're gonna be the first person I go back and analyze. These are my findings. Like I said before, my radar was tunnel-visioned on Sandal and Nips, now on D2 I can widen my knowledge.

VOTE: vedith like he's doing him a favor by believing him.

Of course. Me saying I believe him encourages others to not try and shade it.
As Scum, Pers won't give shit away for free. As town he plays by the "book".

I'm helping \o/

I see this as an attempt to buddy up with what seemed to be an obvious town member early in the game. This could be a scum play.

So why is Burkenstock Scum?

Do we really need to explain it to you further?

I don't feel nips has had an impact on me.
What else is scummy for him?

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Okay I can go for this.

UNVOTE: Emporer flippynips
I'm going to bed then I'll think again tomorrow.

Wagon resistance then a quick decision to hop on, then leaves again.
"Snip snap! Snip snap! Snip snap! You have no idea the physical toll, that three vasectomies have on a person."

OMGUS at it's finest.
We're lynching here today. Anyone want to try and convince me otherwise I'm all ears.

[Vedith]

Did you even read the first bit??[

Yes and you saying it's not OMGUS should mean what to me?

[Vedith]

Did you even read the first bit??[

Yes and you saying it's not OMGUS should mean what to me?

I'm not JUST saying it isn't. I gave you logical reasoning.

Logical?

[Vedith]

TL;DR
I am sorry that Wilky was town, a PR at that, but I'm not sorry that I voted for him. That's his own fault.

This is exactly how I feel.

...

[Vedith]

My Vedith townread is dropping.

You shouldn't have a town read on me anyway

[Vedith]

How is it not? Sleepless Things and The First Queen are having a debate right now and aren't paying attention to our talks. They started something with each other and are focusing on it. You started something with me so I'm focusing on it. It's how an argument proceeds. An OMGUS vote would have been just me voting you and giving no rhyme or reason. I didn't vote you. You put your attention on me, so I put my attention on you.

What you did was OMGUS. The fact you aren't even willing to follow up with a vote on me either makes me think Scum more.

If you want to make me change my mind, you're as open as everyone else to attempt it.

[Vedith]

vedith voting deb is pointless you should be voting TLK with me rn. you're focusing too hard on your twilight "lynch this regardless of wilkis flip" deb's hammer made sense from what we know about deb's perspective.

Why does it ever make sense?
We had a good chance to lynch who DEB thought was Scum but the first opportunity, the Scum read was out of the window.

Tell me again why TLK.

[Vedith]

Okay I'm willing to listen.
I wanted to vote DEB today to see how they reacted. I can tell you it was very poorly though.

[Vedith]

URA is probably town

[Vedith]

I think Insomnia is an easy to read player. And that's just from 2 completed games and viewing of others to tell.

So I'll decide before the day is over if Scum or not.

[Vedith]

Was you on Dinner Donner thing, URA?

[Vedith]

Was you on Dinner Donner thing, URA?

Nope nope

Okay

[Vedith]

Insomnia replaced in for PvT as Scum in that branching mafia and I lynched him \o/

[Vedith]

But it was already set as a Scum slot.

[Vedith]

FL do you think I'm wrong with DEB flipping flopping against the read yesterday and about the reaction today when I voted?

[Vedith]

Did you ask me something?
I'm waiting to see how I feel on you. Donner thing you were obvious town for me.

And we both know I really want us to be town together \o/

TLK I'm not sure. I'm not confident to call Scum there but I'm willing to listen to a case and probably defend it if it's weak.
Am I wrong?

[Vedith]

I just don’t think he’s scum. There’s probably scum within the people saying it was a bad hammer when the wagon went super fast.

I think I'm happy enough with this as town you to go with it.

So where should I be looking then?

UNVOTE: Dr easy bake

[Vedith]

The reason I feel less confident in townreading

I'm not here to convince you of me town.
TLK I was thinking more likely Scum but I feel that less by the time the day started.

[Vedith]

So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?

[Vedith]

So why is Burkenstock Scum?

So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?

Weren't you?

Well considering they were the counter wagon to Wilky and if I'm going to take in merit you are less likely as Scum I think Scum didn't want Burk killed and helped push the Wilky lynch.

Shiidaji and FL I think are town though.
It doesn't make sense for Burken as Scum alone on that wagon though so I want to see people reading as town and see if it makes sense.

Trying to quote something that happened pre flip and NK to call out a post before respnses can be made is bad and in really trying to go with you as not Scum here.

Do you still Scum read Burken?

[Vedith]

So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?

1025
But the difference between his play style and mine is that I am a little bit more active than him and am more reckless. I'm still tring him, I don't believe a Burk lynch is good today, I'm waiting for more posts from him.

So outside of URA where should I be voting?

[Vedith]

So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?

I'm reading him as slightly less scummy. He could just be n00b town. Still in my scum pile though.

Right now I'm favouring our sleepless friend. The reasoning behind his vote is rubbish and smells synthetic.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Insomnia

Okay I had you as probably town yesterday, haven't decided if I keep that yet today.
What's difference of noob town and noob Scum?

[Vedith]

I think I've decided what Insomnia align is.
I won't say yet as I want to see something.

[Vedith]

hi all i'm catching up today

Did you have a good birthday? \o/

[Vedith]

Pers was almost confirmed town imo anyway.
URA is also town looking to me.

[Vedith]

I’ve had focus on my BooneyToonz series lately. Sorry for inactivity. I’ll get to this.

A new one you're doing?

[Vedith]

Shiidaji

FL

URA

Insomnia

L84Dnr

Chars

DEB

Nips

Burken

TLK

[Vedith]

VOTE: TLK

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Insomnia

I don’t even scum read the guy.

Scums on the wagon.

Of course scum's on the wagon. Half the player list was on the wagon when you ran it up to L-1 so they'd be imbeciles not to be on it.

Lol was that a slip that you know he's town?

[Vedith]

Why don't we just get Insomnia to hammer?

[Vedith]

lolol

tomorrow we lynch insomnia or I rage

If TLK flips Scum we aren't lynching Insomnia.

[Vedith]

What are we at VC wise?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Insomnia

That's the L1 then.

[Vedith]

I can explain my role if it comes to it, but this means that Scum have a pretty powerful role if L84 isn't Scum watcher here.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Vedith]

I won't be getting lynched.

[Vedith]

Who did you target night 1 to 3?

[Vedith]

Who did you target night 1 to 3?

URAP Night 1 - No acivity
Chara Night 2 - No activity
URAP Night 3 - Vedith popped in during the night.

Why would you watch URA night 1? I don't recall you having a town read there, but I remember you thinking Pers was town?

[Vedith]

@Dr Easy - I need you to unvote if you’re town.

L8/Vedith are likely the scum team and they’re setting up an end game path.

Why would L8 call me out if we were Scum together?

[Vedith]

Who did you target night 1 to 3?

URAP Night 1 - No acivity
Chara Night 2 - No activity
URAP Night 3 - Vedith popped in during the night.

Why would you watch URA night 1? I don't recall you having a town read there, but I remember you thinking Pers was town?

URAP was on my town list and seemed like an obvious target. Still trying to figure why Creature bought it.

Persivul struck me as strong town but that went sidewase when Shiidaji replaced.

Okay that's fair.
I think you're town here so there's that.

[Vedith]

I have a valid reason to visit URA.
No way does L8 ever vote me here without a claim as town.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf I definitely am town. He could just be claiming to read me as town because he knows I'm town, but idk what to think truthfully.

Why are you unvoting?

[Vedith]

Okay that's fair.
I think you're town here so there's that.

If you're town then we have problems. I can see lots of reasons for every PR in the game visiting me, URAP and Leaf last night so I may have a false read.

I wasn't stopped, so if you didn't NK URAP then it was done invisibly.

No reason to go into detail today unless I'm forced to.
Right now, we have you only seeing me visit URA.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf I definitely am town. He could just be claiming to read me as town because he knows I'm town, but idk what to think truthfully.

Why are you unvoting?

Because he did a good job of convincing me. I wanna see what the other three people in this game have to say before one of them swoops in for the hammer.

FL talks his way out of being Scum all the time. I'd prefer a speed lynch so he doesn't have the chance.

[Vedith]

Do you believe FLs claim?

[Vedith]

I'm just wondering why FL didn't automatically push me knowing I'm always an easy lynch.
I don't see L8 as Scum watcher here knowing what I know.

Pedit - you think I'm a hard lynch?

[Vedith]

Why FL over me though?

[Vedith]

Why FL over me though?

Actually don't answer this I don't want it to confuse things and I need to stop doubting it.

[Vedith]

I wasn't talking to you RAS

[Vedith]

I wasn't talking to you RAS

MB. Carry on.

That looked more aggressive than I meant btw

[Vedith]

Mafia vanilla cop makes no sense here.

[Vedith]

Either Mafia have a RB/role cop (JOAT maybe?) Or a ninja/strongman

[Vedith]

They can't have a vanilla cop in this setup I'm pretty sure.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Vedith]

I need to think here.

[Vedith]

Informed townie
Disloyal vigi
Disloyal PT
Me
Watcher
Disloyal cop

[Vedith]

So either you're lying or Scum have a Ninja/strongman combo.
If you're telling the truth then how do Scum have that plus any sort of cop?

Rolecop and role blocker actually makes more sense here.

[Vedith]

So either you're lying or Scum have a Ninja/strongman combo.
If you're telling the truth then how do Scum have that plus any sort of cop?

Rolecop and role blocker actually makes more sense here.

[Vedith]

I also have a modifier.

[Vedith]

I need others to get have input.
I'm trying to work out setup here.

[Vedith]

Would a watcher/roleblocker(JOAT?)/goon/Traitor make sense here?
Given how strong town roles are maybe it's a good chance.

I'd favour a JOAT over an out right Roleblocker with rolecop and Roleblocker, plus full time watcher.

That would make sense with
PT cop
Vig
Vanilla cop
Me
Informed

All i know is there's confirmed Scum in L8 and FL unless a town Roleblocker comes to light.
As both URA and FL wouldn't have been blocked.

Right now, it feels more that L8 is trying to setup my lynch and given my modifier, I would have expected town watcher to be in line with it.

[Vedith]

FL if you're town I am never Scum here with L8.
I also never kill URA with a guilty on you. My past Scum games prove this.

[Vedith]

Why would my role and modifier matter if you're scum watcher?

[Vedith]

Standard Friday night games night.
Won't be home for a few hours.

[Vedith]

So I am odd night doc.
N1 I was on Pers slot my biggest town read.
N3 I was on URA

For town to have as much as we have let alone without my role it means that Scum have some serious power.

So Scum have a Ninja JOAT or possible some sort of strongman maybe 1 shot.
And Ninja makes sense to counter the Watcher

If I was Scum the only thing I would ever be here is a goon otherwise FL makes the kill all night.
And setup alone proves me as town here.

So, who should I consider as town?
Ras and Nips I think are town after yesterday and I don't think FL appeals to Chara as Scum buddies there.

[Vedith]

Then explain the setup alone.
There's a reason FL didn't make that kill. What do you think it is?

[Vedith]

My target will be Ras \o/

[Vedith]

Ras is town for me.

[Vedith]

Also, Vedith: I would love to get your reads here. Like I said earlier, we aren't lynching you today regardless of what happens, but I would still love to hear your thoughts, if at all possible.

Still the same.
I town read you and Flips.
DEB is most likely Scum here, if not Chara.

[Vedith]

I've just finished a game with Nips where I Scum read him and he put lack of effort into the game near the end.
He was town.

[Vedith]

We are going through a big project for the rest of this week at work.
I'll put full effort in during the weekend so no rush today.

[Vedith]

@DEB
@chara
@vedith
who are your two biggest scum reads?
& who are your most towniest town reads?

DEB or Chara as Scum
Both you and RAS as town.

I'm still not able to fully commit for another day.

[Vedith]

You realise I can't be Scum here mechanically alone.
The

only

way I kill over FL as Scum is as a goon.

And with what town has (vig, 2 town clears, watcher which is the strongest role) let alone doc Scum do not have all vanilla.

I just finished a game where I was more or less confirmed as town in LyLo and was still pushed. It's not happening this time and Nips is town.

[Vedith]

I've seen crazier things happen, and I wouldn't it put past FL to have you perform the night-kill. Again, it's not something I'll worry about today, but we both know that that's not the only way you're scum here.

Why is Nips town?

I disagree, that only should clear me.
Nips reminds me of the game I just.finished with him as town, he also played like it in one recently where I was Scum.

His posting to FL is town for me too.

[Vedith]

I know I sound like a broken record but I'm going to do some proper posting tomorrow as I'm off this weekend \o/

[Vedith]

You're actually trying to lynch what should be confirmed town here?
The only way I'm scum is if I'm scum doc. Which is useless in this setup.

The only way I make sense to ever make a kill over FL is if I am goon. So that confirms me not vanilla.
Me claiming doc and heavily hinting to it means I am telling the truth as I wouldn't risk outting with a CC chance.

Voting me and thinking I'm scum when I should be confirmed is a scum claim.

So scum is confirmed in RAS or Nips now.

[Vedith]

If you're town here Nips this is the second game in a row you are voting me when I'm more or less confirmed town.

[Vedith]

Because you refuse to ignore that I'm right.
I was right last game about game setup I'm right here.

[Vedith]

Theres either 2 or 3 PRs left. Depending if you're scum or Nips is scum.

So what happens on my obvious town flip? You just lead down into lynching Nips and go "yeah this makes sense" when you have no idea on setup spec?

Because if you're scum I can see town just shrugging and going with it and Nips is not going to prevent his lynch as town.

[Vedith]

Give me a fucking chance to answer the site is fucking up for me.
If you try and rush me again I am fully ignoring you rest of game.

This is so fucking stupid that I'm at L1 as confirmed town.
Scum me doesn't make that kill. Scum me can't be doc here.

[Vedith]

Nips knows I was right last game with setup spec and then votes me anyway.

[Vedith]

What role do you think scum has here for me to be scum, Ras?
Answer that one.

With alllllll the roles confirmed and said.

[Vedith]

Right now you believe that scum have what, 3 goons a traitor

Vs

Vig that can't kill town
Neiborizer that can't visit scum
Informed
Watcher
Tracker

That makes sense to you?

[Vedith]

Why would I go after you as scum? You claimed you would've saved me and that you town-read me. I would've had a really easy way to 3-way LYLO without any attention on myself. I would never take this path as scum, I've no reason to over-complicate things.

Why not?
Now you just say the same thing tomorrow if you're scum and say that town don't have a tracker ontop of a Doc.

[Vedith]

I'm giving up with MS for a bit the lag is just adding to my frustration.

[Vedith]

You realise that the watcher saw me visit URA so it's impossible that Nips never saw me and therefore confirms him as scum.
Why are you even considering that I ninja past Nips when L8 confirmed he saw me?

VOTE: Nips

[Vedith]

So given I said I was protecting RAS I knew scum would only kill there if they could get past me and I protected Chara.

I thought scum either kill me or kill Chara here and DEB is most likely scum and I was most likely right. So Chara should be confirmed town here.

So to confirm.
If Ras is scum they don't kill there and most likely go for Chara.
If Chara is scum then I probably get killed and my power means nothing.
If DEB is scum they kill me or Chara.

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

So I'm pretty sure its DEB scum here.

[Vedith]

So I'm not sure if it's the best play to no lynch and go into LyLo 3p or just lynch given that Chara is always killed tonight.

The only thing it clears is if Chara for some reason no killed but I'm not sure why that ever happens with RAS wanting to lynch me (making scum Chara actually kill DEB over me)

[Vedith]

In fact the only play possible last night was that Chara was attacked.
Their position doesn't strongly side with anyone and their death doesn't really effect the lynch today anyway.

[Vedith]

I'm going to bed soon bit I don't want any speed lynch while I'm off.

Again, I'm going to clarify. I only make the kill on URA if I'm ever Goon. I can link all my scum games to prove that I wouldn't as a standard play put myself in risk of being seen. I even have a scum game with me and fL.

Even if I didn't exist in this game, the town power proven means scum have a very strong role.
Earlier on the game someone said that ninja doesn't make sense with a watcher. I disagree completely as once that role is dead, scum have nothing to go by.
And with how the events went I know from my PoV that scum had a Stromgman and ninja in a single role. With town having a 3role JOAT that highly favours a 3 role JOAT as sum too imo. So I would say Strongman, roleblocker/rolestopper and role cop (most likely for the traitor).

I need to see who the scum favoured to protect early game as they obviously would never want their team mate killed.

And to confirm, I spec setup nearly every game, and majority of the time I'm in the right ball park.
Last game I was right with the roles, it was just misjudged because a town claimed jailor when they were VT where I correctly said that Jailor doesn't fit the setup.

[Vedith]

Night \o/

[Vedith]

Also everyone should claim today.

[Vedith]

I was confirmed seen by L8 on the same night.
So I can't be lying here. Nips even said he chose the wrong power.

So RAS is trying to lynch me on a false reason.

[Vedith]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

[Vedith]

And explain to me what role I am as scum here that makes sense.

[Vedith]

Okay. Well I'm town and it's pretty obvious.

[Vedith]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

Because you've 0 power, and because you're scum.

So I have no power and scum... riiiiight

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith
I have a few comments to make about this setup later.

Well done town.

[Vedith]

I don't understand why town had so much and to have the knowledge of 4 scum this game?

I don't want to take anything away from town as I think everyone played really well and I think you're all beautiful players.

I also don't want to only he negative here so I'm going to post a few things about the roles.

The fact town had 2 roles with multiple attempts each loyal and disloyal for a start I find crazy (only in town favour)
Scum had a huge disadvantage here with having 0 powers and having a tracker and watcher, plus the knowledge that town can lose on day 3.
We got really lucky lynching the strongest town role day 1, if we didn't we wouldn't have even made it to day 6.
I know it was 4 vs 9 but the setup town had should have had us as 4 mafia, not 3 and a traitor.
After night 1 it would have been possible for town to have found 3 scum (vig kill, neibour miss and watcher sees.)
The only knowledge we had was that there are 4 VT and we basically handled taking out PRs at most possible times other than our kill on Creature.
Having knowledge of 4 VT doesn't benefit us as scum as we can't share this information and use to our advantage, we wouldn't disbelieve acclaim and it doesn't help in working out where to kill given that majority of town lead to a PR death.

At this stage I'm just rambling.

I liked the mod and I'm grateful for the effort in the game.
The end of day posts and stuff with fluff etc I really enjoyed and I really enjoyed the player list.
Scum team were all great and I think we worked really well together.
Overall I'm glad I was in the game, I just don't think this game deserves to be in the normal queue, even if it does meet normal requirements.

[Vedith]

Even if you wasn't killed it was going to be Chara who was VT.
So the results of scum would have still been given to town.
Made no difference to the end.

[Vedith]

Should a woulda coulda lol

[Vedith]

My last comments towards Vedith wasn't a stab at him for trying, but more-so just pointing out that he kept grasping at straws. I'm glad you kept trying, and I hope you didn't take what I said to the heart.

No I get it we're good.
I didn't have anything else to go by really.

[Vedith]

One last thing, why did you choose the NK the night URAP died, Vedith? Or are you going to make me wait for the scum PT for this one?

Let me check I can't even remember why

[Vedith]

So 2 things, 1 I put the kill in and I don't normally select someone else to make the kill.
2 that night in particular I ignored the 4 VT thing and was underestimating town having strong roles left.

[Vedith]

Also don't let lurkers like Scepticism and John fuck up a scumslut.

This part is out of anyone's hands for the record.

[Vedith]

If you forget the fucking information which is mod-provided to you.

That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying I underestimate the role potential and didn't really have the concern on the PRs that I obviously should have.
Yes that's on me, but it's different to your point.

I appreciate the response back and I'm not looking to make this just negative as I've already stated.

My main concern which I already pointed out was town knowing there's 4 scum. That in itself counters the fact to having 4 scum.

If you want to go by re roll on the game, town can have 2 confirmed town and a confirmed scum all in one go night 1.
Town can also have 3 scum confirmed night 1.
And by average majority of games the 2 roles that are loyal/disloyal do not get lynched day 1, and on average don't claim either.

I'm not taking anything away from town. I said they did great and I enjoyed the game. And we didn't do great. That's all it goes down to this roll in particular.
Setup wise though, I disagree here.

[Vedith]

Nah FL you are the MVP for that fake hammer jeez lmao

[Vedith]

Also I don't want people to think what I'm saying is purely because of losing.
Anyone who has played with me knows that my win/loss is not a concern what so ever and not the reasons for my posts.