Newbie 1925 - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.08

zeebu (4) -

Screamingnoodle, Schiavetto, teacher, Sashaddin

TTTT (1) -

zeebu

Sashaddin (1) -

JPD

ClearlyClariry (1) -

TTTT

Not Voting (2) -

ClearlyClariry, TheASC

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-04-15 17:35:00).

[TTTT]

I have the worst bottom of the page timing...

screamingnoodle did you read the game before replacing in?

[ClearlyClarity]

VOTE: TTTT

[ClearlyClarity]

Question is @Clearly for why she would push a vanity over an already run up scumlean. Just some dissonance there. I got your question.

What do you mean by vanity?

[ClearlyClarity]

Why not intent a scumlean who is already run up to L-1? What do you get w the vanity?

I was largely absent from the proceedings that led up to the zeebu wagon. This is my first time replacing in an ongoing game — reads and vibes feel differently than if I had been in the game since the beginning. Consider my reads list as though it was on page 3 — I would vote, but not if the wagon was already at L-1. I'm against ending the day at 10 pages when two slots had to be replaced and there had been very little content from several of the players. Once Screamingnoodle posts and I get some info regarding my slot and zeebu's, I'll declare intent.

The second and bigger reason is that I've never hammered before and I'm apprehensive about even declaring intent due to PTSD from 1923

[TheASC]

I haven't been posting much the last couple of days due to personal reasons but I should be able to pick up the activity before the weekend.

I'm not the biggest fan of 1-lynch spreads (ASC and ZoL know this). From town, they represent a kind of passivity, or refusal to participate in the (sometimes risky!) process of building wagons, applying pressure and developing reads. From scum, it can be a defensive tactic used to inconvenience town or dissociate oneself from a partner.

can you explain what you mean by 1-lynch spread?

1-lynch spread presumably refers to how multiple people are each being voted by one other as opposed to building up multiple 2-3 vote wagons.

[TTTT]

@ASC
thanks
can you give me your read on Clarity plz?

[TTTT]

The second and bigger reason is that I've never hammered before and I'm apprehensive about even declaring intent due to PTSD from 1923

you weren't in 1923 tho
what are you referring to?

[TheASC]

VOTE: TTTT

This feels like it was just thrown in to appease the town.

even though tttt had been the loudest voice in my favor, i think he also stands the most to gain if i am mislynched on day 1

That's true — no matter what alignment TTTT is, he gets towncred for opposing your lynch. Do you read him as scum or town, then?

Also, I'm not too keen on this question, considering zeebu was at the time (and is currently) voting TTTT.

Most of the rest of Clarity's posts seem townie, although I'd struggle to pick out specific examples and describe

why

they seem townie, however I feel this is me being inexperienced more than Clarity being anti-town.

[ClearlyClarity]

The second and bigger reason is that I've never hammered before and I'm apprehensive about even declaring intent due to PTSD from 1923

you weren't in 1923 tho
what are you referring to?

1922

[ClearlyClarity]

This feels like it was just thrown in to appease the town.

I'll admit to this. At the time I wrote my long wall of posts, I wasn't confident with any of my reads — which, again, I attribute to my having replaced in rather than being a player from the start. This game was long past RVS stage when I joined the game, so I didn't want to throw my vote willy-nilly. I recognize now that my lack of vote indicates passivity and anti-town behavior — especially coupled with the fact that I made a reads post that comes off as fake due to it — so I rectified my mistake as soon as I logged in today.

[ClearlyClarity]

Also, I'm not too keen on this question, considering zeebu was at the time (and is currently) voting TTTT.

My excuse here is less justifiable . I posted my zeebu analysis before my response to Schiva's post about the vote spread, so I had not fully registered that zeebu had voted for TTTT. I read the vote itself but I forgot to incorporate it in my question to zeebu's 184. I also operated under the assumption that zeebu would flip town despite my scumreading him because I was still reeling from the result of

something I cannot talk about right now,

so I'd written my question with scum!TTTT and town-acting-scummy!zeebu in mind. Serves me right for trying to catch up at 3am in the morning.

[ClearlyClarity]

The second and bigger reason is that I've never hammered before and I'm apprehensive about even declaring intent due to PTSD from 1923

you weren't in 1923 tho
what are you referring to?

1922

1923 did actually give me PTSD, though.

[zeebu]

alright, now im sensing some distancing between clarity and tttt. something about their interactions, unless just retaliatory, hit a chord with me. im still safely under the gun at the moment, so a vote on tttt is certainly a safe move and doubles as allowing cc to get a vote down (as asc pointed out) with little consequence since it doesnt really do anything for the game.

[zeebu]

Also, I'm not too keen on this question, considering zeebu was at the time (and is currently) voting TTTT.

My excuse here is less justifiable . I posted my zeebu analysis before my response to Schiva's post about the vote spread, so I had not fully registered that zeebu had voted for TTTT. I read the vote itself but I forgot to incorporate it in my question to zeebu's 184.

I also operated under the assumption that zeebu would flip town despite my scumreading him because I was still reeling from the result of

something I cannot talk about right now,

so I'd written my question with scum!TTTT and town-acting-scummy!zeebu in mind

. Serves me right for trying to catch up at 3am in the morning.

everything about this seems off

[ClearlyClarity]

Also, I'm not too keen on this question, considering zeebu was at the time (and is currently) voting TTTT.

My excuse here is less justifiable . I posted my zeebu analysis before my response to Schiva's post about the vote spread, so I had not fully registered that zeebu had voted for TTTT. I read the vote itself but I forgot to incorporate it in my question to zeebu's 184.

I also operated under the assumption that zeebu would flip town despite my scumreading him because I was still reeling from the result of

something I cannot talk about right now,

so I'd written my question with scum!TTTT and town-acting-scummy!zeebu in mind

. Serves me right for trying to catch up at 3am in the morning.

everything about this seems off

Are you referring to what I cannot talk about?

[ClearlyClarity]

alright, now im sensing some distancing between clarity and tttt. something about their interactions, unless just retaliatory, hit a chord with me. im still safely under the gun at the moment, so a vote on tttt is certainly a safe move and doubles as allowing cc to get a vote down (as asc pointed out) with little consequence since it doesnt really do anything for the game.

I already responded to ASC about that and explained that I'm reluctant to hammer in the position I'm in. Your reasoning for scumreading me feels like a cornered scum who's desperate to pin the easy blame on a slot that hasn't been read for the first 8 pages. Once again, I'm fully willing to declare intent to hammer you once everything I've mentioned has come into place.

[ClearlyClarity]

Responded to teacher*

[zeebu]

And when I turn up town?

[TTTT]

this is stupid
we now have three players waiting for "something"
but essentially doing nothing

[TTTT]

@ASC
why aren't you voting?

[Schiavetto]

I asked a question a while back and would super-appreciate an answer from the players in question lmaooo

[JPD]

Aight, some real life stuff overran and I only just got home. Gonna spend an hour on here before I head to bed. I'll try to make my way through all that's been posted since I've been gone.

I'll answer Shiavetto's question first.

If you had to build a counterwagon against zeebu, on a player other than the one you're currently lynching, who would it be? Please provide two details to support your thinking, and remember to explain your reasoning.

My read on Sasha isn't a particularly strong one, certainly not something I'd consider lynching him over at the moment but that could change.

1)

Sasha hasn't done any active scum hunting. Of his 38 posts he has asked only two questions (47 and 96) neither of which I would consider helpful for scumhunting. His other posts have reiterated something someone else has already said (43, 67, 68, 138, 176 and 216).

2)

He said in post 84 that he thought the scum was in the pool of lurkers. This feels like an excuse to not bother scumhunting, especially given he hadn't even made an attempt to pressure the active players before declaring this.

3)

His logic for jumping on the Zeebu bandwagon is inconsistent. When I pressured him on it he mentioned as special 'something' that he can't talk about. I'm not a fan of this. It derails discussion as suddenly we can't ask him (or anyone else who talks about the 'something') any questions about something they've done which was kind of suspect. He jumped on the bandwagon due to post 129 which he described as "strong" but wasn't in my opnion. This 'something' better be bloody good for him to suddenly change his mind. Evidence

4)

He is very reluctant to share any information. He posted his reads list 69 and Teacher and I both had to prod to twice to get him to share his reasoning (70 and 72, 79 and 81). Even then his reasoning was either week, or still not revealed fully. It feels like he posted his reads and had to come up with reasons after the fact. This 'something' is another example of that.

Some of this is a bit of a stretch, or could just be interpeted differently but I think Sasha would be my best candidate for a lynch right now (if I wanted to lynch someone right now, which I don't). Possibly TTTT as an alternative but I don't have reasons for that beyond his play seeming off when compared to my metadive. I'll look into that a bit more and see if I can put the feeling in to words.

[JPD]

Also, in Sasha's most recent posts he mentions this 'something' not happening/not being what he thought it was. Could it have just been a deflection of suspicion over him jumping on the bandwagon? If this 'something' doesn't do whatever he thought it would, I'm going to want my question answered. I'll want to know what the something was, what he thought it could do for us and why it was worth jumping on a wagon he didn't agree with.

[JPD]

zeebu
vote Zest with me
you won't regret it

Don't like this. If you want anyone to vote for Zest (or Clarity now) you should give a reason. So, why should anyone vote for Clarity now and what reasons did you have to consider Zest scum at the time?