Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Dannflor]

VC 2.02

The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals - The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals

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[2] Fuscosco

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Vorkuta 1395, Fuscosco 1397

[1] RCEnigma

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Flavor Leaf 1461

[6] Not Voting

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HitAlt, Baezu, Ausuka, RCEnigma, Vedith, Alchemist21 1460

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-04-23 16:39:22)

Mod Notes

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[HitAlt]

damn im good

...cough...on the second try...cough...

[Dannflor]

Shhhhhhh.

[HitAlt]

So.
If we are still not lynching in Baezu/Vork, OR they are both town, I'm afraid I might have lost all my sense of scumhunting.

[HitAlt]

Also, I'm not sure if I misunderstood Boon or he made a slip a few posts ago, but I'm not getting myself into a 1v1...yet.
I want Ausuka to give me that sweet sweet result before I even try to solve the associations at work here.
Knowing Boon like I (/we all?) do, I'm not even putting "scumtheatre Boon/Vork" beyond his reach.
Don't know what Vorks "reach" is though.

[HitAlt]

Oh, on other news!
I thought Boons Cologne-thing was a neighborhood-gambit.
Guess it's safe to out now that Slaxx has flipped.
I'll give my reasoning after the game ends if anyone is interested (I don't think anyone will be).

[Vorkuta]

I don't know why I'm even trying but:

-Can I interest anyone in a Fus push?
-The Fus wagon is so good even Fus is on it!
-You guys are just going to let a potential scum!Fus get away with it without doing anything?

[HitAlt]

Also, I'm not sure if I misunderstood Boon or he made a slip a few posts ago, but I'm not getting myself into a 1v1...yet.

I need to do something else for now, but I'll return to this.

@Boon - give me once more your theoretical scumpairings.
Like who is scum with who, or definitely NOT scum with who?

[Vorkuta]

If we are still not lynching in Baezu/Vork, OR they are both town

Is anyone going to look at how our wagons were derailed and find a common denominator? We might find something there.

I'm mobile posting so I can't for now

Knowing Boon like I (/we all?) do, I'm not even putting "scumtheatre Boon/Vork" beyond his reach.

"scumtheatre" Boon&*insert literally anyone but like Fus here* works just as well if you're going by scum range.
He can write both parts for the other to copy and paste.

Don't know what Vorks "reach" is though.

No reach: I only roll town
I mean I have comments on what I think is optimal and suboptimal scum play if that's what you're interested in.

[HitAlt]

I mean I have comments on what I think is optimal and suboptimal scum play if that's what you're interested in.

I bet that would help me a lot here.
/s

[HitAlt]

Is anyone going to look at how our wagons were derailed and find a common denominator? We might find something there.

I'll do this tonight/tomorrow.
I'll do it real good.

[Fuscosco]

I think Alchemist essentially scum claimed and implied Ausuka is actually town with the 1 shot.

yea you implied this

[Fuscosco]

were knee deep in flavor country now

[Fuscosco]

idk about neighor hints and traitor janks
idk about cop innos or scum claims
i dont think its good of ausuka to have claimed a find thus far, inno or not

[RCEnigma]

Been without net for a few days but FL is pretty strong town. Just town for the wrong reasons AND happens to be way off base.

-other things I wanted to say really quick: wasn't a tracker crumb and I couldn't talk about why I thought Volxen was town because the game was still ongoing up until the hammer so I couldn't really defend him the way I wanted to. But he was playing towards what I know of his VT meta and I had just led a Lynch on Town!Volxen for similar reasons as this game. The catalyst being his activity even though I thought his inputs were solid when he actually did post here.

[RCEnigma]

idk about neighor hints and traitor janks
idk about cop innos or scum claims
i dont think its good of ausuka to have claimed a find thus far, inno or not

Macho vig implies a protective and Ausuka claiming Implies no macho modifier I don't think it's a problem.

[Ausuka]

Baezu is town.

[RCEnigma]

I think a scum flip is needed before getting into the setup. I'll spend some time later looking through the wagons but I'm also bad at it so, grain of salt. I actually think Ausukas check might be on Alchemist and not me. Makes more sense to me anyways.

[RCEnigma]

Oh, even better. We can still flip alchemist then.

[HitAlt]

Baezu is town.

This simplifies my goal for today.
We lynch Vorkuta.

[HitAlt]

Oh, even better. We can still flip alchemist then.

Hold the phone for a moment on this.
I want Boon to comment on what his lynchpool/scumlist for today actually is.
I found a mistake/slip in his spamfest, and I want to see whether it might have been a perspective-one.

[RCEnigma]

Is it around the Ausuka guilty thing? It's just boon bullshitting.

[Ausuka]

That information is valuable because it means we know for sure that both of the main d1 wagons were town. From this we can imply scum were secure. Vorkuta wagon was smaller than those two and I think vorkuta is town anyway.

So, scum probably did some distancing and had a kinda carefree attitude as they weren't under threat.

Unrelated mostly:

Volxen red flip means we lynch Ausuka tomorrow.

only other possible wagon after that unvote is Ausuka now, but I’d rather go Volxen. We don’t need another claim this day phase. Volxen claimed VT, it’s the best route to go.

I hate hate hate the attitude in these first two posts I've quoted here and I think it's fairly likely to be scum-motivated. As soon as I unvote volxen I'm accused of being his scumbuddy? Just for thinking he's town or what? This sort of posting advances a scum agenda because it discourages discussion ("if you disagree with us you must be scum so your concerns aren't valid"), is really lazy (even if volxen was red, town can defend scum) and lines up mislynches. Like, nobody here decides to try and convince me that volxen is town or anything, I'm just scum for even questioning his scumminess. I think scum were driving the gamestate in general late d1.

Ausuka probably scum regardless of flip after that post. "Town has been self descructing all day" seems to come from a scum mind set knowing who town is.

You mean from a post waaaaay before any of this?
No, it does not justify the vote here

I think this is Vedith trying to set me up as a viable mislynch because I don't think it makes sense for town to do this, like at all. I doubt Vedith has never seen people make general assessments of the gamestate without exact alignment knowledge. And the second post is just ???. Do reasons have Best Before dates now?

If me Ausuka and Volxen are all alive tonight then Vig shoots in these 3.
Then we lynch in these 3 until there are 2 red flips.

Fuck, I'm good at this game.

He is way more confident in this than he should be at this stage.

Ausuka is literally like the most obvtown player in this game at this point. If Ausuka is scum and her goal was to get multiple townies up to L-1 and force out multiple claims, then why did she derail the original Baezu wagon (which only got up to L-2/five votes)

BEFORE

getting a claim out of Baezu? If she is scum, she could have easily kept the pressure on Baezu until she claimed. If Baezu had claimed a town power role, her wagon would have dissolved on its own. If Baezu claimed VT and scum!Ausuka wanted to run another person up to L-1 to force out another claim, then she could have waited until

AFTER

Baezu claimed to quote that post from the GameShow Mafia game to help dismantle the Baezu wagon post-claim. If Ausuka is scum and her goal is to force multiple townies to claim, then she sabotaged her own efforts by dismantling Baezu’s wagon at the time that she did (assuming the scenario where Ausuka is scum and Baezu is town).

So the scenario of scum!Ausuka, town!Baezu, and town!Volxen simply makes no sense. Her trajectory of being on Baezu’s L-2 wagon, dismantling her wagon before she claims, joining my wagon, and then putting her vote back on Baezu after leaving my wagon doesn’t make sense if she is scum.

Scum post

I don't understand why 1276 would ever be a scumpost. Volxen is literally thoroughly arguing a point with his own townflip as a prerequisite. How is that scummy? At this point I think Vedith is just scumreading Volxen for whatever he posts. This could be tunneled town I guess but even in a tunnel I don't understand how you could think 1276 is scummy rather than NAI, especially when he was like:

Volxen is a bad lynch here at all times

a few days ago.

[Vedith]

Aaaaah...Vedith, I need a reason to town read you harder.

Not my concern sorry buddy.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - would you agree with ScumTchill’s play towards me is pretty similar to a combination of RCEnigma and Hit?

No