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[RadiantCowbells]

I have nothing against being called seal, I was just confused.

[John Pierce Gantt]

I would quote and stuff but I'm just really tired tonight.

EDIT: because your avatar is a seal.

[RuiRui]

Greetings. I have been quite busy today but I did read up, and there was one thing that caught my eyes.

@Inferno:
Why did you leave your vote on Axe after his cop claim?

I believe this is not what town would ask.

VOTE: Skellen

Why do you think this is worth a vote on Skellen? How is it not something town would ask?

[RuiRui]

I still think Vorkuta is town because I think if he was Mafia he still would have tried to kill the seal despite what happened yesterday.
Of course, the other explanation is "they are Mafia together," but I highly doubt it because I think the seal is quite transparently town.

Why is Vorkuta more likely to kill RadiantCowbells than any other player?

[John Pierce Gantt]

Why do you think this is worth a vote on Skellen? How is it not something town would ask?

The question is fishing for cop, but blatantly.

Why is Vorkuta more likely to kill RadiantCowbells than any other player?

Because I believe that Vorkuta's crazy strong admiration of the seal is real.

[John Pierce Gantt]

Sorry, that should be "but not blatantly."

[themilkcartonkid]

That kind of level-0 thinking regarding the TMCK kill is if anything town-indicative.

Or, alternatively, the kill was partially intended to frame someone and Vork was planting the thought.

sincerely doubt scum would be so open about it and the fact that both of your scumreads are on the two players who have done the lynchbaitiest things while both being tonally town is not a good look for you here, jingle.

I agree, which is why I asked how many times they've played as scum. I think Newtown or even just town is likely to do this, but I think only newscum or very very experienced scum would be that open

[themilkcartonkid]

That being said, there's a lot of yesterday that is gross. So much budding of RC.

[Inferno390]

Why do you think this is worth a vote on Skellen? How is it not something town would ask?

The question is fishing for cop, but blatantly.

I don't see how this is rolefishing. Axe claimed cop. What normally happens in a scenario where someone claims an important role like that is everyone unvotes them. I didn't. It's a fair question.

[Nero Cain]

chennisden(2)-Skellen, Jingle
themilkcartonkid(1)-Vorkuta
Vorkuta(1)-RuiRui
Skellen(1)-John Pierce Gantt

Not voting:Egix96, RadiantCowbells, Inferno390, chennisden, davesaz, themilkcartonkid

Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-25 22:00:00)

[John Pierce Gantt]

I don't see how this is rolefishing. Axe claimed cop. What normally happens in a scenario where someone claims an important role like that is everyone unvotes them. I didn't. It's a fair question.

In normal situation, it would be correct.
However, the situation this time was different.
Axe was clearly lying about being a cop, and you were not the only person who voted him after his cop claim.
I found it weird that she decided to focus on you for that as well.

[Egix96]

I don't think it's RC fault he helped mislynch

Give RC town some consideration.

I kind of feel like you brushed past some points to write this. Who do you think is Mafia?

Jingle seems a little scummy right now.

I'm a little shaken up that both Axe and Tchill are town.

This feels like an OMGUS to me.

Neighborizer should neighborize me tonight please

Oh yeah RuiRui I forgot about this.

This is probably scum

If Jingle is scum, what does scum!Tmck gain from openly trying to get into a neighborhood that already has a mafia member in it?

VOTE: chennis

[chennisden]

Jingle and Milk scum are two different worlds. Of course they aren't scum together

That said tmck has been more scummy

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

[chennisden]

I honestly have no reason to build a case, I'm dead. I don't see you guys moving to day 2 with me in the game, but whatever, here is my read on themilkcartonkid

I'm not sure anyone has a weaker game start than themilkcartonkid. He actually says absolutely nothing of value, does 0 scum hunting. It's not even like he's memeing, he's just saying a bunch of nothing like "I don't like this, but it's NAI" or "null scum", "not great", "much better". These don't seem like comments coming from town early in the game.

Spoiler:

This honestly doesn't seem like a real claim? It seems completely NAI, but I dont think inferno was just going through the motions of doubting a Miller claim, which us plus town for me

However much this sounds like

I am

parroting Tchill. I was addressing RC and you made a similar comment above.

Aaaaaand back to nullscum

However much this sounds like parroting Tchill, refusing to speak your mind when we’re all trying to sort and analyze just looks like you’re trying to look active without doing anything. Which does not earn you town-points. It’d be one thing if you were trying to get a reaction out of people. But right now you’re just calling attention to yourself and then not following up on it. Not great.

This is also not great

It's page 3 and I think you're full of it RC. Being cryptic helps nobody and it becomes a personal solve vs trying to work with others. You do you though. I'm not a fan of the style.

This looks much better

The uncertainty expressed in these posts is both useless and simultaneously trying to look like you're doing something.

Spoiler:

I’m confused by this question. How does people talking about ANYTHING early help figure out alignments other than by looking at how they respond? Isn’t that literally how you play this game?
And I actually analyze voting patterns and talking patterns. The miller claim itself is not what I would look at, but how people interacted with each other regarding it and what voting patterns emerged.

I was being specific about the whole miller situation. You saw the miller claim, and how people reacted to it already - either agreement or disagreement with the claim. Did you expect people to say other things than agreement/disagreement or the whole "miller claims at Day 1" theory?

(we lost a town game where this very thing happened)

I guess this explains Vorkuta's behavior.

At this point, NotAnAxeHole is close from being lynched, and if I understood correctly, for being a Canadian. Must be a rough life being a Canadian.

However much this sounds like parroting Tchill, refusing to speak your mind when we’re all trying to sort and analyze just looks like you’re trying to look active without doing anything. Which does not earn you town-points. It’d be one thing if you were trying to get a reaction out of people. But right now you’re just calling attention to yourself and then not following up on it. Not great.

I don't like this post, especially the "However much this sounds like parroting Tchill" part. It sounds like he is worried about his actions looking bad. I think town wouldn't care as much about what they say as long as they get their points accross?

Ok I see how it is
I called you out on your BS confscum claim and so you try to apply pressure to me
Lovely

When people have real reasons for calling me scum, let me know. I’ll be here waiting when they do.

Ah, the great "I'm not guilty; you have no proof."
This usually comes from guilty people.

VOTE: Inferno390

Lol

This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it

This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it

Maybe it pinged for you because you viewed the whole post as an interaction when it really wasn't one?
Except for the first quote, they were just comments.

When someone quotes a post, that is an interaction. Axe interacted with you and either their interaction or your original response pinged me. Not sure yet why

Looking back, this distancing from RC puts themilkcartonkid in a really bad situation.

I think some people are just falling prey to the charisma. Also, I'm telling with your opinions, which means we definitely need to lynch you. I have a bad track record

In this post, he says 1/4 are scum when that is the default odds of the game... He then proceeds to throw around reads while also stating his uncertainty on each one, which seems absolutely unnecessary as town and is not typical town language at this stage of the day... Especially with the rate at which it evolved. Like, the attempt to play these reads off as remotely genuine seems so forced and with so many conditionals, ifs and buts...

I'm fairly certain theres at least

1 scum between jp, rc, axe, and tchill

. So that's great. If I had to vote one of them right now it would be axe,

but I dont trust my read there because

its influenced by tone

and theres a few things that dont match up with my internal logic

.

I dont think inferno has absolutely screamed scum

since their first few posts

but they havent pkayed well as town either

. I do think they over reacted to their push,

but that's nai atm

. Will probably influence my read later post someone flipping. Honestly, I dont get the push on tchill. Seems more actually annoyed town than inferno did and RC tred inferno for that.

Jp I dunno

.. again mostly tone plus have they actually brought anything other than parroting? If they were lurking that would be one thing,

but they post a good bit

. Vork, what have they said scummy, someone whose tring them, what do you find good about them?

This post is really weird considering #160, I feel like they are almost directly contradictory... Like, in one he's telling people not to follow RC, the other he's patting RC on the back and sucking him off.

Basically I was sick of games where there wasn't any strong momentum things to catch scum from and I decided to force one here.

I'm sad it led to multiple replace outs.

Honestly, I liked it. I did think stating your original case more clearly would have been a little better, but the replace out I dont think was your fault. Inferno butted heads with a few people

Seems like distancing, the connection between themilkcartonkid and RC is really weird... Refusal to pick the same target. Seems like scum theater

I think you're wrong on tchill

I feel once again, this post is a bunch of nothing, which about summarizes themilkcartonkid's play this game, empty reads, pointless posts... Conditional statements, looking to be perceived as useful without being useful.

And she was universally townread in the last scum game where I had locked her scum on the first couple of pages so I'm really about everyone townreading her.
My big concern with Tchill13 / Axehole was that they were masons deliberately playing scummy and that is luckily confirmed as not happening.

Rc, I am the king of triple guessing a townread, so I'm serious when I say if I keep agreeing her, she may need to be lynched. But I think shes actually contributing well rn

Lynch this guy, he's scum. I think RC deserves to be looked at as well.

This literally means that tmck is the only person who it makes sense to NK axehole.

[Skellen]

In normal situation, it would be correct.
However, the situation this time was different.
Axe was clearly lying about being a cop, and you were not the only person who voted him after his cop claim.
I found it weird that she decided to focus on you for that as well.

Fair point. Basically I agree with that. My assumption however was that scum would also like to get a PR lynched, particularly if he played as terrible as Axe did at the end of D1, so I was looking for noticable changes between the Axe and tchill wagons knowing that both were town. When Axe was with 5:3 in front, so an Axe lynch was more likely, Inferno was still on Axe as scum and tchill as frustrated and honest town. Later he was sold on scum!tchill after tchill also had roleclaimed and it was 4:4, but ultimately hesitated because of RC's gambit earlier. Since a cop would probabaly have for scum higher priority than an ascetic it looked to me like he was trying to have it both ways as long as possible, therefore I asked specifically Inferno.

[Jingle]

Chen:

As scum do you nightkill lynchbait who is pushing you?

Why does scum want to infiltrate the neighborhood?

Did you read:

Please let me know if you want to join me and a mysterious third person in partying hardy.

Does it effect your tmck read?

[chennisden]

@Jingle:

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

Scum can buddy and if you're a PR they can learn more about your plans and scum can counteract. From my experience it's a lot easier for scum to live in a neighborhood.

For my tmck read it makes me think he's scum even more

[themilkcartonkid]

@Jingle:

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

Scum can buddy and if you're a PR they can learn more about your plans and scum can counteract. From my experience it's a lot easier for scum to live in a neighborhood.

For my tmck read it makes me think he's scum even more

*Refutes own point and doesn't realize it*

[themilkcartonkid]

In normal situation, it would be correct.
However, the situation this time was different.
Axe was clearly lying about being a cop, and you were not the only person who voted him after his cop claim.
I found it weird that she decided to focus on you for that as well.

Fair point. Basically I agree with that. My assumption however was that scum would also like to get a PR lynched, particularly if he played as terrible as Axe did at the end of D1, so I was looking for noticable changes between the Axe and tchill wagons knowing that both were town. When Axe was with 5:3 in front, so an Axe lynch was more likely, Inferno was still on Axe as scum and tchill as frustrated and honest town. Later he was sold on scum!tchill after tchill also had roleclaimed and it was 4:4, but ultimately hesitated because of RC's gambit earlier. Since a cop would probabaly have for scum higher priority than an ascetic it looked to me like he was trying to have it both ways as long as possible, therefore I asked specifically Inferno.

I think I need to start playing the 4d chess that some of these reads are clearly playing

[themilkcartonkid]

Actually, all things equal, if there is not vig, I think the Miller claim would be real because the only reason why you would kill a cop claim as poor as axe would be if you genuinely though they could be cop. If there was a real Miller, then there will probably be some sort of an investigative role. They would have had to have a reason to believe axe I think. Maybe Miller is that reason. I'm not saying there is a cop, but I think there is a miller

[themilkcartonkid]

@RC what do you think about my logic?

[Jingle]

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

So why does tmck fearkill axe when axe is clearly not a charismatic party to begin with?

I'm not particularly worried about whether the people that get invited are scum. What I'd like is to invite people who are likely to be active in the hood. The easiest way to do so, imo, is to ask who would like to be in the hood.

[Inferno390]

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

So why does tmck fearkill axe when axe is clearly not a charismatic party to begin with?

I'm not particularly worried about whether the people that get invited are scum. What I'd like is to invite people who are likely to be active in the hood. The easiest way to do so, imo, is to ask who would like to be in the hood.

But this defeats the entire purpose of a neighborizer imo.

[Inferno390]

Also, I’m the Flying Pumpkin that Shoots Lazer Beams Out Of It’s Ass.
It was about time to get that out of the way.

[Jingle]

But this defeats the entire purpose of a neighborizer imo.

Not really?

Neighborizor is another method by which to sort people.

Masonizors are necessary for them to be PR farms.