In post 827, Shoshin wrote: In post 814, northsidegal wrote:
i'm voting you because you feel off this game. you feel like a caricature of yourself as town.
I understand why you're saying this. The truth is I was caricaturing myself a little bit earlier in the game (e.g. the self-vote comment) for the giggles.
I use this line to build wagons at the start of games & that's what I was doing with Creature. What makes you feel it wasn't warranted?
perhaps saying it wasn't "warranted" was a poor choice of words, although i still think there's an element of it there. i think my central point there was that it felt more like something you'd do as an imitation of your towngame than something that's actually natural. like, when you say "more votes" and vote someone, i expect it to actually be because you have something, no matter how minor, that you think is worth going off of. the random creature wagon to me seemed more just like an opportunity to pretend to be going for early wagons and gaining information than actually doing that.
did you learn anything from the creature wagon? was anything gained?
i think all of these posts are weird:
I don't like that you're calling these posts "weird," your analysis usually dives a bit deeper than that. You might disagree with this but I think calling stuff "weird and therefore scummy" is a minor scum tell.
I don't see the problem with the posts. In 272 & 282, I was feeling overwhelmed by my games & was hoping I could sheep RC's scumreads without having to give this game more time/effort, and I asked RC to assume I was town to increase the accuracy of his scumreads for my sake. What's "weird" about this?
What's the problem with 341?
a better descriptor might be "unnatural" (and i've been calling things weird since my second game on site, where it was a subject of a lot of discussion)
why bother asking RC who's scum instead of just sheeping him on his vote? and if you had read enough to see the context of his vote on eyes and figured that it wasn't really a true vote on a scumread, it seems to me like that would be enough reading to do something other than just ask RC that.
as a whole i think my problem and what i'm attempting to get across here is that while i feel that normally when looking at your play there's either some internal thought process that i can see clear evidence of or there's classic shoshin town traits (direct questioning, hard defending townreads, etc.), i haven't seen that from your play this game so far.
341 i suppose i expect you to have your own thoughts on CoA and the question feels somewhat redundant. if RC were scumreading CoA i would expect him to make it clear – i guess i just don't think you asked a very good question. if you had your own doubts about CoA's alignment, i might expect you to raise some of those doubts. if you outright disagreed, i might expect a "why is CoA town, RC?"
i also don't follow your buki scumread or really believe that you yourself believe it. i get that this is kind of a 1v1 thing that i'm saying right now when it comes to who's right and who isn't, but i believe in your abilities as town to a great degree. seeing you scumread buki doesn't place any confidence in me that you're town.
It's not a 1v1, I don't do 1v1s unless it's a forced 1v1 at LYLO.
I'm scumreading Buki because he's making up crap about my meta to get me lynched without taking the time to check himself. It's something I've done as scum (I made up meta about Saudade in BoP mafia to get him mislynched) so I'm sensitive to it. Is this a bad reason to scumread someone?
i didn't mean 1v1 in the sense that i'm 1v1-ing you, i meant it in the sense that one of my reasons is explicitly sort of based on my being right elsewhere on something that you disagree on.
i think basically nobody makes up meta as scum.