Mafia 79 - "The Amish Mafia" GAME OVER... WHO WON?

[Battle Mage]

It's pretty hard to miss a quote tag. One possibility that isn't too far-fetched is that they are scumbuddies, but I doubt it. Anyways, or BM just wanted to push to his advantage and see if anyone would notice. It was kind of an obvious one though, knowing XYZZY and his ways. BM, I suggest you hammer.

I strongly doubt Alabaska wouldn't just hammer himself for a reason like that, that he was waiting for an inactive. After what I did, he probably wanted to act like that, after being so defensive for the long stretch, to try to trick us.

Rofl. If it was necessary for me to point out the irony of this-in the very post you condemn me to for messing up quote tags, you do the exact same thing. Hypocrite much?

BM

*side-note, all the tags on this page are pretty f***ed. Xyzzy! We need you!

[Battle Mage]

im never a fan of self hammerin to get pity, why hammer yourself if your town? because you cant beat surye mm and bm in a argument so you throw a fit and attempt to hammer yourself?
also i dont like BM sneakily unvotin, i doubt bm would mess up the quote tags, dude is constantly on here.

vote alaska j

How does my activity correllate to me messing up a quote tag?
Im not sure of the ruling on this, but id probably go with Alabaska, and say that it wouldnt count as it wasnt MY unvote-rather it was someone elses, which i misquoted.

Also, this is the most content i've ever seen from you K7! I wonder if this is what you are like as scum?

Pre-Vote: Killa 7

BM

[Surye]

*also, what kind of idiot scumbag would consider self-hammering to be a gambit that might save his life? Its pretty much a null tell whichever way you look at it.

While it may be a moot point, I tend to disagree. Scum, especially closer to endgame, start to feel "the world is against me and my secrets, they know, I messed up" and this causes frustration and resentment, leading to something as idiotic and rash as a self hammer. So I'd say it's not a scumtell, but it definitely leans scum in my opinion.

[Battle Mage]

*also, what kind of idiot scumbag would consider self-hammering to be a gambit that might save his life? Its pretty much a null tell whichever way you look at it.

While it may be a moot point, I tend to disagree. Scum, especially closer to endgame, start to feel "the world is against me and my secrets, they know, I messed up" and this causes frustration and resentment, leading to something as idiotic and rash as a self hammer. So I'd say it's not a scumtell, but it definitely leans scum in my opinion.

got any examples?

In the interest of fairness, i'll provide my own.

Face to Face Mafia i hammered myself as a vanilla townie, with the intention of making a statement (that the people i thought were scum, should be lynched). Not sure it worked, but that was the idea.

I think i may have done it in a smaller game aswell, but i cant remember the name. Ive never self-hammered as scum.

BM

[mr. incrediball]

i think i've seen scum self-hammer, or at least approve of their own lynch.

[killa seven]

skitser just self hammered himself as scum in a game im in.

[Alabaska J]

i think i've seen scum self-hammer, or at least approve of their own lynch.

I've seen this happened. Happened with Drunken Piper in an ongoing I'm in. Totally different situation, though, as he claimed scum.

Face to Face Mafia i hammered myself as a vanilla townie, with the intention of making a statement (that the people i thought were scum, should be lynched). Not sure it worked, but that was the idea.

Quite ironic BM of all people understands what I did. First time for everything, I suppose.

[xyzzy]

Amish Mafia votecount 2-4

Mellowed Man: babygirl86
Alabaska J: Marmalade, evilgorrilaz, q21, Mellowed Man, Battle Mage

(?)

, Mr. Incrediball, kuribo, Surye, Alabaska J, killa seven
Battle Mage: The Fonz
babygirl86: DizzyIzzyB13, riceballtail


Not voting: nswhorse, Inquisitor JL, kuribo, Celebloki

You all decide to lynch Alabaska J. He was a

townie.

It is now night 2. Send stuff.

[xyzzy]

You wake up to find

Battle Mage

dead. He was a

roleblocker.

StrangerCoug replaces Evilgorrilaz.

SensFan replaces babygirl86.

[Celebloki]

Oh wow, that was a long night. Are we in Alaska?

[mr. incrediball]

hmm...

i'm sorta suspicious of those who were constantly against BM yesterday...

on the other hand, smart scum wouldn't kill someone they'd often been "suspicious" of...

oh, this wine in front of me...

[The Fonz]

Only one dead?

Mellowed man, explain yourself.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, guys, note time!

This is long, and this is my second readthrough since my first one was too long ago. If there's anything specific you want me to comment on, let me know. Links and/or post numbers wouldn't hurt.

Day 1, page 3, post #53:

Confirm vote: Korts

He's a hypocrite. Seriously, get your facts straight, man.

This personally strikes me as odd. Seriously, placing a confirm vote on himself, especially this early in the game and given he turned up the doctor?

Day 1, page 3, post #58:

Surye, if I were a busser, would I really be the FIRST ONE to cast a vote on a fellow Scum, with no guarantee of any sort of bandwagon occurring?

This screams WIFOM here.

D1, p3, #61

UNVOTE

VOTE: ValiantValant

I say he's posting too much; almost seems like he's trying to defend himself over every action.

And the problem with being very active in the thread is…?

D1, p3, #65:

I have a hunch VV is just an overactive player due to his sickness. I will

Vote: ValiantValant

and when he gets well from his sickness (I'm sick but getting better at the moment) I will maybe think about removing my vote.

D1, p3, #72

Vote: Mellowed Man

You acknowledge VV's excuse for posting every two minutes, and after that, you vote him implying that your motive for voting him is the same reason you dismissed by acknowledging his sickness?

You're

a hypocrite too, aren't you?

Congratulations, Mellowed Man, this guy knows you are a hypocrite.

FoS: Mellowed Man

D1, p6, #127

And let me explain how a WIFOM would help the town:

You put a WIFOM in front of somebody. WIFOMs, if followed through with, will usually lead to debates as lengthy as the one where we got the term WIFOM from. And, last I checked, long discussions do only one thing in Mafia games: Make the Mafia slip up. If you are a Mafia who is dragged into a WIFOM, you will end up being "poisoned", so to say. If you are a Townie who is dragged into a WIFOM, your lack of slipping up after a few pages of debate, as far as I am concerned, will prove your innocence.

I find it really simple, actually.

I'm not surprised at this person's lynch, scum or not.

D2, p10, #243

Vote: Babygirl

I swear ive seen you somewhere before.

BM

*no, this is not a random vote based on the fact that ive seen Babygirl before. just to clarify. lol

If this is not a random vote, then I don't know what it is.

At the end of page 9 and a good deal of page 10, The Fonz is pretty much hell-bent on making the Masons claim. This early in the game and with this many people, I feel that a confirmed innocent is too dangerous to town because he or she then becomes an easy scum target unless the person is a vanilla.

HoS: The Fonz

I also don't get Battle Mage arguing with The Fonz about whether or not the Mason should claim on day 2, but at D2, p12, #278, the former arranges that everybody claim either mason or not when he previously stated that the mason shouldn't claim yet.

Most of the rest of the day after this is confusing to me. I expected claims, which never happen except for D2, p13, #324 for the vigilante who nearly got lynched and was saved by the lack of an unvote—or so he says he's the vigilante. There was only one death last night, and unless he is a one-shot, that means he lied.

Lynch all liars, so…

Vote: Mellowed Man

[q21]

I think I know why there was only one kill, but I want to see what MM says first.

Extremely busy right now. Will be on sporadically until Thursday afternoon.

[q21]

Also, welcome to our replacements.

[The Fonz]

hmm...

i'm sorta suspicious of those who were constantly against BM yesterday...

on the other hand, smart scum wouldn't kill someone they'd often been "suspicious" of...

oh, this wine in front of me...

Well, BM spent most of yesterday hounding Alabaska. So take from that what you will.

D1, p3, #61

UNVOTE

VOTE: ValiantValant

I say he's posting too much; almost seems like he's trying to defend himself over every action.

And the problem with being very active in the thread is…?

More to the point (and this is a good catch, something I think I overlooked at the time) looks a lot like a 'too defensive' argument.

At the end of page 9 and a good deal of page 10, The Fonz is pretty much hell-bent on making the Masons claim. This early in the game and with this many people, I feel that a confirmed innocent is too dangerous to town because he or she then becomes an easy scum target unless the person is a vanilla.

HoS: The Fonz

Hey, actually read my arguments, why don't you? Not masons. Mason. Singular. And I wanted a mason claim yesterday, since a mason claim late in game with no-one to confirm it is hugely untrustworthy. Better to have a confirmed townie early, than never.

Most of the rest of the day after this is confusing to me. I expected claims, which never happen except for D2, p13, #324 for the vigilante who nearly got lynched and was saved by the lack of an unvote—or so he says he's the vigilante. There was only one death last night, and unless he is a one-shot, that means he lied.

Lynch all liars, so…

Vote: Mellowed Man

Well, he's already lied once, since he claimed one-shot then backtracked. There may be other explanations- I'm waiting to see what he claims to have done.

[The Fonz]

Mod: can you fix the quote tags above?

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, actually read my arguments, why don't you? Not masons. Mason. Singular. And I wanted a mason claim yesterday, since a mason claim late in game with no-one to confirm it is hugely untrustworthy. Better to have a confirmed townie early, than never.

My apologies. I mistook the request as one for a mass claim or something like that. That plus the fact that we don't know for sure how many masons there are except for the masons themselves…

[The Fonz]

Yes, but several masons can confirm one another. One mason cannot be confirmed (well, unless there's some huge breadcrumb i missed).

[StrangerCoug]

I see where you're going now.

Un-HoS: The Fonz

[xyzzy]

Mod: can you fix the quote tags above?

Sure.

[Riceballtail]

VOTE: MM

LAL. That is all. If he is not lying, then we shall see. But I do not believe it.

[mr. incrediball]

I think I know why there was only one kill, but I want to see what MM says first.

q21's obviously gearing himself up for a claim here. this should be interesting...



@ all those who are screaming LAL (strangercoug and RBT):

we already know he's been lying, considering he changed from a 1-shot claim to a full vigilante claim. but i agree with you, in that this just might be the icing on the scum-cake. q21 seems to be getting ready to defend MM, so i'll sit back and watch the fireworks before i go voting MM.

[Celebloki]

What seems interesting to me is that he claimed one-shot before he claimed full vig, so by his own claims he should still have been able to vig last night. I'm sure he had plenty of scummy characters to pick from from the previous day.

[Battle Mage]

bah. i hate it when this happens.