In post 231, Exilon wrote:
I'll try to address that right now to thr best of my ability.
I appreciate you responding as quickly as you can.
In post 231, Exilon wrote:
First, ill destroy the notion that there's any double standard between you, moomn, and n_m. Here's why your levels of contribution differ in quality:
They're using their votes and they're committing.
You just confirm what I said about you caring only about votes. Votes or reads like a tr or fos is only the end product of a process of applying the data to your intuition and creating a conjecture that you deem fit. Some people are very particular about this process. They like to do it as objectively as possible without biases getting in the way. Not_Mafia and Moomn are the antithesis of this. Also, it's completely false to describe N_M as "committing" when he virtually just votes the player getting bandwagoned at different times. Moomn I also wouldn't call committing because his excuses are very weak that he's not even trying. They kinda sounded copy-pasted from yours (which were already weak). It's bad to allow people to get away with cheap reads without putting them to the sword. Mafia then have an easy time deflecting and protecting themselves and don't have to do a lot of work to appear townie.
In post 231, Exilon wrote:
Next, i will try to summarize why i think you're scummy. These are general points.
A) coaching people with intent to look helpful
If you mean me giving you advises, this is coming from the part of me that thinks you might be misguided town. Of course if there's a chance to have a town-town interaction I'll try to build that up and avoid getting fos'd. But no, I'm not actively trying to "help" any specific person on like say how to play mafia or how to scumhunt. I don't think I'm qualified to do that since, you know, I'm a newbie, this is a newbie game. And really I didn't start doing that until my last post so kinda premature to build any read around it.
In post 231, Exilon wrote:
B) not comitting to a read and / or reads; refusing to vote;
Well, why not say, committing to NOT voting? Yeah? That should take committment, the fact I haven't voted thus far, with multiple wagons occurring throughout. I'm not "refusing" to vote because nobody is pushing anyone. Say, if wilky came back, and he told me to vote Moomn or you're his partner or something. If I stall the vote at that moment then that would in fact be refusing. But what I'm doing now, I'm weighing things up with the time we have left. We still have some, and there are a couple people with votes from a while ago that might want to switch with the game progression since they placed the vote. I'm being careful and making sure the town makes the best lynch possible. Voting is very important because that's the stage where mafia can confuse the town (also called vote-splitting, kinda what we see right now, bunch of votes on everyone with weak to no consensus opinion). In short, I'm adamant that voting right now wouldn't be a good move and that I should wait a tiny bit more.
All I'm doing is commenting from my perspective and being honest with what I have, which is about the best thing town can do at this point. Slight tip, on forums I wouldn't really look for something "suspicious" or a slip (tongue slip) like that. The reason is cause you get all the time in the world to read, think, type, refine, and then post how you feel. Like think if you're mafia, you'd try your hardest to omit anything that might seem even slightly suspicious from your posts. On the flip side, town won't actually bother to do that, they have little to be afraid of and all that matters to them is being truthful.
I'm not sure if this is referring to when I'm talking in place of other people or when I'm rewording my earlier posts. There's nothing wrong with that, I think, especially when a post is page 4 and I have so much more info now that I can connect or trace back to it. I'm trying to follow everyone's logic right from the start and how it evolves with the game. When players post scarcely or take long breaks inbetween that's definitely not easy or reliable to do. However, I'm not taking any breaks and posting in about a steady stream, so reading me from the beginning and following my logic should be easy.
Okay, this, I can see one being annoyed with it. Though, I don't think it's really unfair. This is a direct result of you (and several) calling me out on things related to activity and contribution, things that I feel I've already covered extensively. I think you need to look at this from my point of view. I was told that I was not contributing immediately, and this somehow continued up until now, 20 posts later. When there's only one thing people are constantly on your back on something, be it posting substance*, you're going to challenge that notion and try to prove your innocence. That's what I did. No, I'm not telling people to tr me because I'm active, because I never did that and I'm sure you know. I'm telling the people fos'ing me for something like that why they're wrong. (now that we reached this point, I'm still unsure on what to call it, which might be the most frustrating thing about it. people fos'ing you and you don't even know why. I'm gonna go on a limb and say it's a form of fencesitting? fencesitting is how it sounds, mostly used for people not voting until very late when everyone has already taken sides. Mafia can use this tactic to place the deciding vote. But you should know there's a difference between town-fencing and scum-fencing).
In post 231, Exilon wrote:
From what i understand, your answer is a yes and you also understand my perspective in how i can him as townie.
I don't think it's fair to think Moomn is townie at this point, unless you're, again, grasping at straws about how he could be town (that's what it seems like you're doing with both of them). In contrast, someone that might be fair to see townie, though I don't, is PvtUrist. At least he made some posts, and has some interesting opinions.
However, as I mentioned in my previous post, I don't have overwhelming evidence that Moomn is either alignment. It's just not possible for me at this stage. You can keep seeing him as townie, and he can get lynched, and flip town, and you would be right. Then we'll go into more depth on why he was town, and why another player could've been a better lynch.
