Mini Normal 2071 (Game Over!)

[Egix96]

Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...

VOTE: Ausuka

No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee

[Egix96]

Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...

VOTE: Ausuka

No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee

Something about the tone of the bolded bothers me.

Do you dislike playing town?

No, not at all. But I'm amazed that I've managed to rand town five times in five mini normals. No idea what the actual odds are of that but it's a stark contrast from my rand luck in open queue...

[Egix96]

Skitter feels pushy

Is that meant to be in a good way or a bad way?

[Egix96]

i don't particularly like this post, the first line kinda feels like you felt the need to randomly share that you're town which feels a little ????? and meh

yikes

VOTE: egix

If you were town, I would find it pretty hard to believe that you were genuinely astonished to be so (you know what the odds are every time you join a game!), especially given that apparently you've been scum in other game formats anyway. Maybe there'd be a "huh, OK then!" to yourself upon reading your role PM but caring so much that you brought it into the thread in such an overblown "wow, can you believe it!?" sort of way? No, it doesn't feel right.

I made my opening line OTT on purpose because I knew that people would react to it, and I hoped to gauge people's alignments early on based on said reactions. So:

- skitter's reaction reads slightly towny to me, my gut tells me it's more like awkward town than waffly scum

- urap2's is null I'm afraid

- But CDB feels like he's being too aggressive here. Not sure if the overexplaininess (my laptop redlines that, is that even a word?) is normal for him but to me it feels like scum taking the bait. Like, if he's scum, he's probably thinking "oh, awkward town, better push on him".

[Egix96]

@skitter The first post I think is independently scummy. The second feels like redirect of of Egix. And the interaction between them goes no where. whole thing just feels wrong.

Spoiler:

What the heck
I have to do analysis already?
Alright, give me a moment to read slowly
Also, I highly recommend shortening my name to 390.
And I claim Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lazer Beams Out of It’s Ass.

VOTE: Exilon
I’m off-put by the tone here. Seems weird.
Skitter feels pushy
Sash feels reachy
Egix is NAI I think

Skitter feels pushy

Is that meant to be in a good way or a bad way?

Pushy in a bad way. It feels unnatural, like she’s forcing her reads or something.

Two things:

- Inferno saying he thought my opening was NAI doesn't do much to redirect people off me. It's not as if he said it was towny or anything.

- I asked Inferno what he meant by pushy, he answered, and I saw no issue with his response. So yes, you could say it went nowhere but it has nothing to do with our alignments.

[Egix96]

Inferno you're moving a little too fast with your reads imo

ya think? recent posts are not from a town perspective

That is not what Rui said at all. Great shade though. Much wow.

No no, he's not saying what he thought Rui said. He's saying something different entirely. My understanding of it:

Rui: "Inferno, I think you're forming reads too quickly for this early in the game"
urap: "Never mind that, he's not posting like town anyway"

[Egix96]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Delibird

[Egix96]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Delibird

whats your reason for voting for him. As it appears to be alittle bit of naked vote. True you made a post about you think he was agressive but at teh same time you were hedging your bets if that meant he was town or scum


I just get the vibe your trying to quietly jump on what you hope will turn into bandwagon.

UNVOTE:

After some time thinking to myself I couldn't really form any strong scumreads in my mind, so I decided I might as well commit to voting Deli and see what came of it.

"I just get the vibe your trying to quietly jump on what you hope will turn into bandwagon."

I see you unvoted but didn't vote me, so do you think that's a scummy thing for me to do? If so, how?

[Egix96]

also i dont' think that scum!inferno really thinks to randomly make that post about uzi there really

This is a compelling reason for Infernotown.

Um, no?

"I don't think scum!(name) thinks of writing that" is not very strong reasoning imo, especially considering that I have recent experience of scum!inferno and I wouldn't think that specific post is out of his range. Doesn't help that you're seemingly just taking someone else's words and taking them at face value.

[Egix96]

Feeling pretty iffy about RuiRui so far. Most of her posts so far are pretty surface-level stuff ("Inferno, you're moving too fast with your reads" without really talking about what that might mean, or "well now nobody can use that for info" after the comment about reactions to LUV) without truly engaging in anyone's alignment. Need to see more evidence of desire to actively uncover the scum rather than just reacting blandly to a random post here or there.

*Reads her ISO*

I'll admit, you're not wrong there. She does feel underwhelming compared to last game so far.

[Egix96]

You're clearly reading in order; why did you not respond to #121?

Because I really don't know what to say to it apart from "okay, so?" I'm not going to reverse my read on you just because you think my logic is wrong.

[Egix96]

She [Rui] does feel underwhelming compared to last game so far

Btw this kinda applies to cby as well (last game = Newbie 1918 in that case)

[Egix96]

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

[Egix96]

I think I'm going to quit playing Mafia, I always end up being lynched in the first days and that doesn't help town at all.

Assuming that you're not faking here:

But I have personally never witnessed you being lynched in a game (in schadd's game you got NKed iirc, and then in Mewtaph's game you were in danger at one point but I helped to turn things around and get scum lynched instead) so I don't get why you're upset here.

[Egix96]

You're not comparing the start of the last game to the start of this one, and are instead are looking at my posting from later points of the game - this is a mistake

Actually I wasn't looking at your posts from last game, sorry. I was just going off what I could remember.
You're right, I should actually compare them.

[Egix96]

Ehh I kinda feel that Rui's earlygame posts in Nero's game were a bit townier than here.

But it's hard to tell really because of the inherent bias (I know that she was town in 2070 but I don't know her alignment here so that's probably why I have that feeling).

[Egix96]

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

Could you enlighten us on these meta reasons.

As all i can see is you describing what happened to him in prevous games.


If sash does flip mafia then it appears very much your trying to diffuse his bandwagons while staying on the fence. So what is the reason in sash town meta that you think this is him being town

I think that Sasha is more awkward as town than as scum.
Tbf I only have actual play experience with town!Sash but there is one past scumgame of his that I skimmed once while I was trying to read him in a past game.

FYI, I'm going to be limited to phoneposting until Sunday evening.

Those squeamish about the Sash wagon should come hang out on the infinitely more wholesome RuiRui wagon, which grows more righteous with every passing minute since her last (awful) post.

Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui

[Egix96]

Garmr is super town btw

Mmm I wouldn't say

super

but I am leaning town on him yeah.

I think that Sasha is scum, but I think it would be a mistake to lynch Inferno next. I kind of feel like Sasha has been trying to buddy Inferno, and if they were partners and Inferno was committed to not bussing he would vote Ruirui. What he's done instead makes himself look bad on a Sasha scumflip and doesn't really help save him, imo.

Yeah, based on 90 and 145 I would say Inferno and Sasha are likely not s/s. I don't think that scum!Sasha would so blatantly associate himself with scum!Inferno like that.

[Egix96]

So Egix, which one of us do you think is scum?

Neither atm

[Egix96]

So Egix, which one of us do you think is scum?

Neither atm

So if Sash is town, who is scum?

Rui, cby... urap is third I guess, I have everyone else at least null.

[Egix96]

let's just lynch sash

^^^^^ bad reaction
especially in the event of town!sash

I'm town and I have the same reaction.

This bugs me... I don't think you'd have said "I'm town and..." if you actually were. Feels forced.

Not moving my vote btw. Main reason why I don't feel like voting urap is 453 because I doubt that scum would say that someone who's tunnelled on them is "clearly town" because that normally doesn't end well (it's very hard to do without it looking like TMI).

[Egix96]

let's just lynch sash

^^^^^ bad reaction
especially in the event of town!sash

I'm town and I have the same reaction.

This bugs me... I don't think you'd have said "I'm town and..." if you actually were. Feels forced.

Not moving my vote btw. Main reason why I don't feel like voting urap is 453 because I doubt that scum would say that someone who's tunnelled on them is "clearly town" because that normally doesn't end well (it's very hard to do without it looking like TMI).

So do you think sash is town?

Ohh I get it now, you're saying you had the same reaction as urap... I thought you were agreeing with skitter there.

But yeah I would still guess that Sasha flips town here.

[Egix96]

Not so sure that inferno is town now.

[Egix96]

Not so sure that inferno is town now.

can you elaborate on why this is? like he still seems really townie to me.

This post in particular I didn't like:

God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.

God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.

why not tho

1 sash is going to flip scum.
2.less information than wagons that have been going all day.

Unless you wanna lynch inferno?

Given that the only “spontaneous wagon” going on is UR2, this reads suspiciously like scum worried that his partner is going to get lynched out of nowhere because the wagon he’s been pushing falls apart. Plus saying I should be lynched, especially when widely townread indicates to me that he’s scum that wants to get rid of me.

I think it's scummy for him to tie Garmr and urap together like that because to me it seems like a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Also "saying I should be lynched, especially when widely townread indicates to me that he’s scum that wants to get rid of me" looks OMGUS-y imo.

[Egix96]

Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui

It reads as you have this slot an null or at a post scum lean, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is this really the strongest read you have to go with at this stage?

I generally find forming townreads to be easier than forming scumreads. Normally on Day 1 of a game I end up having a good number of townreads but rarely any strong scumreads, only leans in that direction.

So yes, at this point RuiRui is the closest thing I have to a full scumread.

[Egix96]

Skitter just really pings me with their posting and just feels like a lot of empty posting.

Now that's a spicy read.

[Egix96]

which ones?

592, 632 and 635
You tell me if they are town to you...

Dont like the first post, the second two are nai imo

VOTE: sash

^^^^ entirely a compromise eod vote. I dont scumread him and i dont think he's flipping scum

If you're voting just to compromise, Rui is a better choice here

[Egix96]

Thumbs up from me
VOTE: Gamr
I think we start here.

Is urap still his buddy in your mind?

[Egix96]

God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.

God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.

why not tho

1 sash is going to flip scum.
2.less information than wagons that have been going all day.

Unless you wanna lynch inferno?

Given that the only “spontaneous wagon” going on is UR2, this reads suspiciously like scum worried that his partner is going to get lynched out of nowhere because the wagon he’s been pushing falls apart. Plus saying I should be lynched, especially when widely townread indicates to me that he’s scum that wants to get rid of me.

I think this is really shaky reasoning too: sure he says it's scum that's worried his partner gets lynched but... nothing seems to indicate that's actually the case. It's a possibility but nothing makes it more likely than Garmr just being town who doesn't want urap (a non-scumread) to be lynched over Sasha (a scumread.) Additionally if Garmr really wanted rid of Inferno he'd probably do it over the Night phase rather than try to lynch one of the hardest players in the list to lynch.

That's what I was trying to tell you before.

[Egix96]

Thumbs up from me
VOTE: Gamr
I think we start here.

Is urap still his buddy in your mind?

I’m not sure.

But would you tell me what you think of UR2 and Sash together?
And yes I know this is off topic
I was just rereading and I had a few thoughts.

Based on a quick reread of urap's D1 posts I would guess that he's not scum with Sasha. (Specifically 159 and 197 )

Are you suggesting there might be something that indicates urap might have been bussing him?

[Egix96]

Thumbs up from me
VOTE: Gamr
I think we start here.

Is urap still his buddy in your mind?

I’m not sure.

But would you tell me what you think of UR2 and Sash together?
And yes I know this is off topic
I was just rereading and I had a few thoughts.

Based on a quick reread of urap's D1 posts I would guess that he's not scum with Sasha. (Specifically 159 and 197 )

Are you suggesting there might be something that indicates urap might have been bussing him?

One of the things I noticed reading back was how fast and hard UR2 moved from the Sash wagon to the Rui wagon and how hard he pushed people on the fence to join the wagon. I just wanted a second opinion on what that might mean.

Ah right, I hadn't read that far. Okay so if Sash flips red then that's not such a good look for urap, but if Sash flips green... meh, it probably doesn't mean much.

[Egix96]

And i think this little proding has drawn out sash sucm partner. It ceratinly explains why chb was killed rather than some off teh wagon

Looks like high risk gambler is sash partner

We're not voting Sash or URA today.
Sash is just an easy target right now for a mis lynch.

If you think Sash is scum, then hold on to that for now until I can be bothered to explain why you're wrong and explain to me why X or Y are scum instead so we can work towards an actual lynch.

Gamble is practically begging to be lynched if Sasha flips red. Seems way too obvious for them to be scum together if you ask me. It would be wiser to just bus.

[Egix96]

Bob is town.

Yeah Bob is town here.

i think bob is town

Whatever you three are seeing, I'm not seeing it...

[Egix96]

VOTE: Sash
How do you feel now?

I think that if you are voting me on the basis of that single post,

you are indeed scum occupying the 4th slot

... Now I know you were scumreading me before this, but it looks opportunistic as f. I think you are just trying to make me talk so you can pin me with whatever you want to see.

When you want to kill your dog, you say it has rabies

. That a French saying...

You sure act like town a lot, but some of your actions and words give me a bad feeling about you. About your play, I mean.

(Emphasis added by me)
I legit can't tell whether you're saying he must be scum (implied by your use of the word indeed), he might be scum (last italicised part), or he's town who's scumsiding ("the 4th slot").

pedit @Inferno: that doesn't help much... but whenever you have more time, feel free to go more in-depth.

[Egix96]

Spoiler:

Meanwhile, in the spirit of keeping things moving and flowing;

I'd like to follow up on when I said I had someone I wanted to take a closer look to.

Refer back to my 113 where I felt the wagon on CDB was weird.
I wanna focus more deeply on Egix.

Building on that post, and now adding to it, 121 is an answer from CDB which I find to be quite right and interesting.

Egix addresses it in 167, by just dismissing it, arguing that CDB just thinks his logic is wrong. I think this is very poor and doesn't even try to properly address the assumptions behind CDB's argument, while instead tackling easier topics to divert attention from it.

But two posts prior in 165, egix is buddying to CDB and setting up a RuiRui vote, as well as pointing the finger to cby for being lurky.

I get

(Spoiler box redacted to prevent formatting breakage)

and I get what CDB is going for here and reading him as bullheaded town but I'm not so sure right now especially considering where Egix decided to go instead (inactives). Nvm the fact he manages to keep his SR on CDB and keep his vote on him while at the same time quoting him for truth (in 165, as mentioned previously) which I find quite ironic.

Like I'm not saying scum can't have genuine scumreads but if you're not sure of who's scummy (as Egix had stated previously), you're probably not going to give as much credit to your top suspicion's scumreads.

By this point Sash's wagon starts picking up and Egix points out in176 that he doesn't see sash as scum.

205 and 206 are extreme fencesitting (still no unvote from CDB), and currently read to me as someone who is trying to set up a move to an eventual Rui wagon;

bob points this out in 227 which I find very good.

(a)

233 is just amazing where egix follows CDB's suggestion and moves his vote over to Rui. See how his reasoning didn't actually evolve from 205 and 206?
There's posts of setup and then his main suspect, as per his words, once again says something that Egix quotes and follows.

347 sees Egix completely drop his SR on CDB without even a single mention to that change, or where it came from. In here, the main SRs are Rui and CBY, and suddenly Urap2 shows up as "third, I guess..."

But then Egix also drops this read on Urap2 in 503

(b)

In the eve of these great wagons, Egix changes a read on Inferno in 603; in 702 however he leaves quite explicit that RuiRui is the "closest thing to a scumread", which seems contrarian to his opinion on Inferno which at the very least had more substance to it than the reasoning he had for ruirui.

Jump forward another 200 or so posts and in 909 you get what could be an attempt to further analyse Inferno? 910 also does the same, but it's funny because it seems to me that Egix misreads Ausuka here, as Ausuka points out soon after. Egix doesn't bother following up on this.

There is some back and forth here between Egix and Inferno which isn't really accusatory in any way and is very dialogical between one or the other (see 959, and omce again I'm left to wonder if the scumread on Inferno was also dropped without real mention.

959 is also an example of a very empty post, but at least is consistent with staying on the rui wagon than the sash wagon - if Egix had been voting on Rui based on information and compromise as opposed to Rui being the closest he has to a scumread.

In summary, Egix's reads have been made for show, are non-commital, weak, and inconsistent between themselves. His voting (and lack thereof) supports a scum agenda.

Therefore,
VOTE: Egix96


Oh btw he hasn't posted yet day2 so I want to see him scumread himself.

Couple things here I wanna address:

(a) Yes, I was a bit suspicious of CDB for a short while, but my read on him was never particularly strong. And by the time that Rui was starting to look bad after making the infamous post 207 and dropping off the radar for a couple of days, my suspicion of CDB had mostly faded.

(b) My scum lean on Inferno at that point was not quite as strong as my lean on Rui. Inferno was about a 6 while Rui was closer to a 7. (1=town, 10=scum)

[Egix96]

Bob is town.

Yeah Bob is town here.

i think bob is town

Whatever you three are seeing, I'm not seeing it...

feels like a real thought process

i can track his thought process from post to post and his posts holistically make sense as a whole
like i feel like i can understand how he's approaching the game

sorry maybe i explained wrong

egix is asking me (and inferno and garmr) what i see in bob
i'm saying that bob's posts feel like real thougth processes (that i imagine would be kinda hard for newbscum to fake)

i'm not commenting on egix's thought processes, i don't think he's said much unfakeable really

Yeah NGL I did think that you were talking about me for a moment there.

[Egix96]

And what am I now?

Not sure yet. The fact that Rui flipped town, followed by a weird-arse nightkill, has me really doubting my reads at this point.

a) from your own posting and actions your suspicion of cdb was fading at the same time you were calling him scummy. Like literally the same post. Even putting that aside, you're not justfiying here how exactly your suspicion faded. You're just saying it did, which is the same conclusion me and anyone can reach by looking at your ISO.

b) What is this even addressing? Once again, you're just stating what happened. Worst to me is that you're not even addressing the main reason of why I found that to be dissonant.

a) IIRC the main reason why my CDB suspicion faded was because of him moving his vote in 174. I was finding it hard to see why he would do that as scum when he could have just kept pushing me.

b) I thought your issue with me there was that I was keeping my vote on Rui despite being suspicious of Inferno. If your actual main issue was that my reasoning seemed better re:Inferno, then... well like, that's just your opinion, man?

(Emphasis added by me)
I legit can't tell whether you're saying he must be scum (implied by your use of the word indeed), he might be scum (last italicised part), or he's town who's scumsiding ("the 4th slot").

The word indeed was woking with think, like I was deducing he was scum, not implying it as an absolute. I worded my sentence very baly htis time it seems.
What is a town who's scumsiding? I don't get this

Town who's scumsiding = a town member who's (not on purpose ofc) playing into the scum's hands. Considering that Mini Normals usually have 3 mafia I thought that "the 4th slot" could mean "honorary 4th mafia member".

[Egix96]

That's sad to hear

[Egix96]

Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG

Aorn if I had to vote either Bob or Gamble, I would vote Gamble.

Will that do for now?

[Egix96]

But I doi have to say that I can see Bob being misguided town and for now that's where I'm leaning

Yeah I'm starting to see it too.

[Egix96]

Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG

Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.

Are you willing to elaborate on this or nah?

[Egix96]

Im vla until Tuesday, sorry guys

Goodbye other me

I mostly just wanna chill this weekend but if anyone wants anything from me, ask away, I'll check back later.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Ausuka

Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob, 1191 specifically.

[Egix96]

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

I find it a bit scummy that you described 948 as being stretchy and forced, rather than just calling it out as being a loaded question.

And I can easily envision (inexperiencedTown)!bob thinking that asking a specifically-phrased loaded question in an attempt to bait a scummy response, would be a valid strategy. (Not saying that I personally would recommend it, but still.)

[Egix96]

I think

Exilion strong town lean

Egix slight town lean

Skitter slight town lean
inferno town lean
detective confirmed town by mod
gamr town

sach im scum reading
Aus scum read
urp2 sligh scum lean
HRG slight scum lean

Where did this come from?

[Egix96]

I'd like to know the meta reasons mentioned in 176
when did you ever say inferno was town? I feel like I missed something in 603

- I touched on this in 233 but the specifics are that in Mini 2054, where both Sasha and I were town, I had a look at his ISO from the Mini Normal where he was scum with Garmr (can't remember the number atm) and found that, compared to 2054, he was a lot less awkward and had more of an air of knowing what he was doing. Here in this game, I'm leaning town on him based on what I've seen of his meta.

- Hm yeah, I might not have explicitly said that I was townleaning Inferno, but that was what I was thinking prior to that point.

[Egix96]

that I'm voting here day 1

who wants to play "is this a townslip?"

does scum forget that we're on day 2? lol

I did think that that was just a typo at first, but then again, him saying "that would be kinda nuts" implies that he legit thought we were still in D1.

And I would guess that that's a slight touch >rand town.

[Egix96]

I'm completely willing to lynch the other two since they aren't on my town list. I can even

pretend to be scum

for you while lynching them! I'll make a make pretend Private thread in game, I'll invite

another

townie

lets say Bob

, Bob is fun.

No need to pretend!

Bake 'em away, toys

[Egix96]

How many games have you finished in the past 2 months

Not sure if you still want this answered but I'll answer anyway.

- Newbie 1918 (Scum)
- Open 750 (Scum)
- Open 748 (Scum)
- Mini 2070 (Town)
- Newbie 1929 (Town)

Also there's the MU Roger Rabbit game if you wanna count that (I was Taichi Kamiya, Town)

[Egix96]

Can I just point out the fact Sash has stopped trying to solve game and been hiding behind my vote for ages. Sash will do more than rui, Sash will post content they said.

The three lynches du jour are Skitter, Ausuka and Egix.

Ausuka seems the most scummy one but not by much.

I reread her iso a couple of times over the last few days and I think I begin to have an idea what's down.
Egix seems town. I read his iso and it seems mostly clean to me. He also tried to meta me to know me, which is towny

Skitter is the one that could the most be scum, but she appears more towny than Ausuka to me.

Her massive iso gave me a headache.

I don't find anyone in here particularly scummy, but knowing this, I think I'd lynch Skitter because of strategy but Ausuka might be a reasonable choice too.

Are you trying to say that skitter reads more towny than Ausuka but skitter has more scum equity? I kinda get the feeling that you're waffling here but I'm not sure if I follow.

[Egix96]

I am totally disgusted by the way Gamr has done that claim. Now I get shot at night and both he AND I die.
We need a protective on me tonight. If there is not a protective tonight...
Sorry town that Gamr thinks he’s so much better than everyone else in game that he thinks he needs to target a general townread.

But I kind of have to believe the claim here, because it’s what makes since given the “I’ll have evidence later” BS he was giving at the start of the day.
And if Bob is clear, that leaves Exil, UR2, skitter, Ausuka, Gamma, Sash, Egix?

I think we lynch in Egix, UR2, Sash today.

Makes a change from:

Okay

I think Egix is town.

Also skimming back through I remembered UR2 also did the weird move to Rui wagon thing HRG did.
So maybe I look at UR2 after all of this?
Really starting to second guess my second guesses.

AFAICT your only reference to me in between was you responding to one of my older posts ITG, so I'm not seeing the progression here.

Are you trying to say that skitter reads more towny than Ausuka but skitter has more scum equity? I kinda get the feeling that you're waffling here but I'm not sure if I follow.

Yes, this is exactly what I am thinking. I could say it as "I'm more curious to see Skitter flip than Ausuka". I feel we would get more info by flipping Skitter who interacted with many people, Ausuka was more discreet. Also, while Skitter appears more towny, she could easily be deceiving us by being scum.
I'm not sure if this is waffling?

Ah, so it's not that skitter has more scum equity per se, but rather that you would gain more info from her interactions with other players? I see.
And yeah I thought that the two statements I bolded in your 1514 seemed to contradict each other, that's what I meant by waffling.

[Egix96]

Ah, so it's not that skitter has more scum equity per se, but rather that you would gain more info from her interactions with other players? I see.

It seems I don't understand "scum equity". I thought my reasoning was about scum equity. Can someone teach me in a few lines?

"Scum equity" = likelihood of being scum, for me.
I'm not a poker person...

This bring a 5 letter word to mind

You mean 5-letter

abbreviation

policy lynching RC is anti-fun ;P

Just don't approach him in bad faith... simple

[Egix96]

Yet I don't feel like Egix is a lurker, and this isn't really any different for his post rate than when he posts as town.

Yeah you can't really read me based on activity/post count. I'm not a heavy poster and I have a history of lurking as both alignments.

==

@Garmr: Would you say that my meta read on Sasha is a bad reason then? Should I just drop it?

[Egix96]

I'm an odd night neapolitan. On n1 I got hrg as vt.

I thought with weak hider, that this setup had a theme of 3 clearing prs and maybe a scum one. But with 3 conf from gamestart my role seems really weird.

Bob, if this is a lie please say so.

@skitter: the urap line was just a joke.

Uhhhhhh i'm even-night detective

(I checked ausuka last night, she has not tried to kill anyone)

I caught that you were softing yesterday, which is why i very randomly and abruptly switched my vote from ausuka to egix and wouldn't say why @detective pikachu

From my pov:

1. Scum nea is about 6000% more likely than town nea
2. Scum probably doesn't check their partner so ausuka's either lying about who they checked or hrg is not aligned with ausuka
3. There's at least one, if not two, scum in peopke who havent claimed (exilon, egix, urap), with egix being the most likely imo

Wait, is Detective considered to be a Normal role?
Cos if so, that's news to me.
Did you crumb anywhere? In the earlygame, preferably.

[Egix96]

@garmr: yeah, weak hider didnt fit my understanding of what the setup would look like *at all* which is why the claim confused me - i was half-expecting a vigi, since it's a miller of sorts to me, but weak + detective is just ????

@exi:
A) i don't crumb usually, i forget to do so most of the time
B) why did u ask me this (and not, say, ausuka who apparently didnt crumb an inno)?

@exilon: what are you thinking of urap and gamma rn?

(Egix =/= Exi but ok)
a) That's okay, I don't usually crumb either
b) I was thinking that if you had a crumb to back up your claim then it would help.

So yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and

VOTE: Ausuka

For me, it doesn't make sense for her to barely mention the person she's supposed to have a VT check on.

[Egix96]

Skitter, how are you still confusing me and egix

Maybe you should stop calling us by our names and ust go growlhite and hot guy with a cool shirt

I'm actually thinking of changing my avatar sometime in the near future so maybe not.

[Egix96]

Looks like high risk gambler is sash partner

Explain this for me please. Why do you think HRG is Sash's scum partner and why do you have such high confidence about it?

i can track his thought process from post to post and his posts holistically make sense as a whole
like i feel like i can understand how he's approaching the game

I feel like I can understand it too but I don't understand how that makes him town? Like, I think scum could easily decide to approach the game from an angle of "let's lynch sasha, and while we're at it i can tie people (hrg) to him to make it look less like i'm tunneling and more like i'm gamesolving."

Nothing more after that, it looks like.
Lemme look for mentions of Gamma's name.

[Egix96]

I get names with a lot of similar letters in them mixed-up sometimes (e, i, and x), sorry, i'm def not trying to do it on purpose

Honestly it's not a problem
I could tell you meant me from the context

[Egix96]

If you want a line-by-line response i can do that, but not till i'm at a pc(much) later today

I think that you're basically using this argument with me as a way to stay engaged with the thread and to look busy - since this argument started this is basically what you've been posting about, and what your content is about.

But despite this, you're not actually doing anything about it - vote me if you think i'm scum, don't spend a week writing walls in my direction and dancing around the read.

(I believe there's scum in exilon/garmr byw)

Also a lot of the things you're calling me out on a personality thing; we have very different definitions of pushing (as i went over already with hrg iirc)

Kinda hard to interact with ausuka more when she hasn't really been posting. And of course i voted ausuka cuz i think she should be pushed, why would you say i voted hef 'not because she's scummy or should be pushed'? And yeah i at least partially switched off of you since it wasn't getting traction. Thjs is scummh because ....

I also don't think it's fair to attribute the stall in the game to me given that i'm easily one of the most active players ffs.

you've made no attempt to interact with me: you simply parked a vote on me. I don't need to be active for you to do that. You just need to post something in the thread and when I'm here I'll respond to it.
Also, you voted me on the 12th of may. I had posted that day, the day before, and the day before that. If you actually wanted to interact with me and sort me that way you could very easily have done so.

ok fair enough.
hi ausuka, i feel like you've been skating by this game for quite a while, and id ont' have a good sense of your read or for what you're thinking this game.
i think your stated scumreads lining up exactly with the people on your wagon is quite awful

where do you get that impression? i made a bob push recently, which sure was very likely wrong, but i definitely wouldn't call it skating by?

what i'm thinking for this game is
{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty

{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

this leaves {sasha, skitter, egix}; i was tr'ing sasha based on bob's push who i was scumreading more but that's clearly wrong so ? unless urap or exilon is scum, there is exactly 0 scum on the initial sasha wagon fmpov which is pretty damning for him. egix i didn't really townread him and i thought his push on me was weird (you posted three times since 1191 but now i'm gaining popularity you bring it up?) for you i've brought up a few points and for someone who isn't scumreading anyone and is pushing a nullread you seem to be really insistent on trying to lynch said nullread.

i mean i see why that looks bad. but i was townreading a lot of players who are not those three on my wagon and not you three, so you three were kind of suspect anyway, and for you and egix it was the way you pushed me that seemed suspect, so there's a reason for it.

That's not something you say about someone you know is a VT.
Yep, looks like we've got ourselves a faker.

[Egix96]

I guess I'd go urap first then egix but I don't care about order that much and you two can claim whenever you post next

Sure, I'm a Vanilla Townie.

[Egix96]

UNVOTE:

I think that the mason PT comments above make it very clear that the masonry is real; upon urap's enquiry Garmr is instantly able to provide direct quotes in bob's style from the mason PT. In order for Garmr and bob to be scum here they'd need to have faked mason conversations in the scum PT throughout the game. And while I suppose that's

possible

it seems very unlikely for them to timesink like that for a mason claim they don't even always get to do, and while I've seen scum consider claiming mason and have even considered doing so I've never seen anyone literally fake false conversations in their scum PT. So it's very unlikely Garmr/bob are scum here.

Urap seems obvtown here and although skitter would be my ideal vote because I don't think the setup makes sense with us as t/t, I think people wouldn't want to lynch skitter over me so I'd rather go for Egix. I think that his jump on me at daystart was opportunistic - although town was obv voting me they were at least willing to act questions and consider I was town I think (det pika) whereas Egix decides I'm scum just because I didn't soft my inno, and doesn't even think about the possibility that the risk of softing an inno and possibly getting caught was larger than the practically non-existent reward of getting my result out upon getting killed - I mean who kills me n2?

Besides if egix is town who's scum? Pika, Garmr, bob, gamma, me are all out. That means only one town exists inside {skitter, egix, exi, urap} and I'm much more inclined to think that's urap, who has made me much less likely to be lynched today, while the other three have all been thirsty for my blood.

VOTE: Egix96

The thing is though that I don't really see what motivation scum!skitter would have for counterclaiming you, considering that:

- Her claimed role is not the same as yours; it's not a direct counterclaim

- It's not MyLo/LyLo yet so scum!skitter can't yet win the game by winning a claim duel with you.

Not only that, but I find it implausible for there to be that many potential clears at this stage (IC + 2 Masons + Town Neapol + VT checked by Neapol) as that's far too townsided imo. (Scum achieving two mislynches but getting borked out of a win because they missed the PRs... doesn't seem like good balance philosophy at all to me.)

[Egix96]

The thing is though that I don't really see what motivation scum!skitter would have for counterclaiming you, considering that:

- Her claimed role is not the same as yours; it's not a direct counterclaim

- It's not MyLo/LyLo yet so scum!skitter can't yet win the game by winning a claim duel with you.

Not only that, but I find it implausible for there to be that many potential clears at this stage (IC + 2 Masons + Town Neapol + VT checked by Neapol) as that's far too townsided imo. (Scum achieving two mislynches but getting borked out of a win because they missed the PRs... doesn't seem like good balance philosophy at all to me.)

a) you agreeing with me is pinging me

b) i didn't really directly cc so much as express my incredulity that her role is town. i think she probably is a nea, just a scum one

a) You don't think that scum!me would try to downplay your claim though?

b) Do you think that you'd have been able to "express your incredulity" (as you put it) without hardclaiming?

[Egix96]

The worst lynch we could do today is ausuka.

If ausuka is telling the truth then odds of hitting scum are very high. If she is lying then hitting a vt will be telling. Scum need to lynch ausuka as if she is town and thus neap she will seal teh game for them.

Today I will not consider lynching ausuka especially when the causality of her actions match very well with find a claimed clear on ggamble (now gamma)

Want me to sheep you on urap then?

Oh ffs

Nothing to say to my prev post?

[Egix96]

everybody:

claim if you have a modifier or not in your next post

To be clear, I don't have any modifiers.

[Egix96]

Yup

VOTE: Skygazer

L-1

[Egix96]

The only interaction from egix side towards gamble is 2 posts. That amounted to just the one post that egix said he finds it easier to form town reads than scum reads 702

And then 2 posts were egix simply said he agreed with me when i was pushing for bit a sach gamble team.

Makes me think it was egix busing gamble and if he gamble got lycnhed he would hope to get sach mislynch teh next day. Whiel hiding behind me teh entire time

{vote]egix[/vote]

Err what? You're talking about 1056 right?

In that post I'm suggesting that it's UNLIKELY for Gamble/Sasha to be s/s so I'm guessing you misunderstood?

[Egix96]

Well it's not me so...

VOTE: Exilon

[Egix96]

Ok.

Egix if you are scum do you mind conceding so we don't drag this out?

I'm town tho

And even then you shouldn't really say stuff like that

[Egix96]

VOTE: ur a person 2
Case coming later today hopefully

[Egix96]

@skitter The first post I think is independently scummy. The second feels like redirect of of Egix. And the interaction between them goes no where. whole thing just feels wrong.

Spoiler:

What the heck
I have to do analysis already?
Alright, give me a moment to read slowly
Also, I highly recommend shortening my name to 390.
And I claim Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lazer Beams Out of It’s Ass.

VOTE: Exilon
I’m off-put by the tone here. Seems weird.
Skitter feels pushy
Sash feels reachy
Egix is NAI I think

Skitter feels pushy

Is that meant to be in a good way or a bad way?

Pushy in a bad way. It feels unnatural, like she’s forcing her reads or something.

Tying two townies together

have you guys read sashadin's iso? Way better vote than exilon who is probably not trying to powerscum in the first ten pages and who is taking oddball views on things than the rest of the thread

VOTE: sashaddin

egix still scummy i think

inferno probably town

skitter probably town

Pushing on an LHF instead of someone who would be harder to mislynch

I'm gonna go right for the cliche here

*ahem*

I think this is TvT

(Referring to Inferno v Garmr)
TMI

Ausuka, also town

TRing one buddy...

CBY could be scum. I don't have a lot of experience with them but I think I expect better questions. This is based on the time they were active, btw, I don't think there's a good argument to be made here for an activity tell considering they have not been active on site

...While distancing from the other. Brings up lack of argument for an activity tell to avoid having to commit to a push.

[Egix96]

so then here's where we're at, order not important

town:
Garmr (unless scum with exilon)
Lil Uzi vert

Ausuka

Urap
Skitter
Egix
Inferno
Bob

not town
exilon
ruirui
cby
Channel
Sashadin

why were the conftowns clearing this guy again?

pedit: I was multitabling for most of this game and... stuff unrelated to MS
Bottom line is this game was not my primary focus

[Egix96]

Another compromise I would be game for today would be High Risk Gamble

Willing to bus the Informed but not the Neapol

[Egix96]

Hey, do you guys think

rui rui would be more likely to check into this thread prior to the deadline as town or as scum? Scum, yeah?

And even if you don't think it's alignment indicative,

I think we can all agree that it's pretty anti-town

to not be around much at all in the last few days before the deadline while being wagoned?

This is clearly the better choice for today, and

I'm disappointed with those of you who did not see that.

Manipulative language central.

dark green

= conf!town

light green

= town read

red

= probably scum

Please let me know if I got your alignment wrong. Thanks!

Sashaddin (5)

:

u r a person 2 159

,

Ausuka 162

,

bob3141 180

,

Exilon 360

,

Garmr 456

u r a person 2 (4)

:

Inferno390 79

,

skitter30 398

,

RuiRui 484

,

Sashaddin 501

RuiRui (2)

:

ChannelDelibird 174

,

Egix96 233

Exilon (1)

:

High Risk Gamble 24

Not Voting: Lil Uzi Vert 538

Names in red = rule of three

[Egix96]

i think he's town.

if he's scum, he's playing a good game. Not as good a game as gamr is playing if he's scum

but a very good game, nonetheless

(Referring to Exilon)
This aged well... urap must have

conveniently forgotten

this by the time D5 rolled around.

[Egix96]

i think ausuka is town

I def don't want to lynch outside those 4 players today

and your excilon case got me to rethink. you're right about iioa, and there were also a couple turns of phrase somewhere in the walls of text that pinged me

skim through hrg again for me? and don't forget the predecessor. I think that's our best shot today tbh

VOTE: hrg

ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh

VOTE: ausuka

I dunno how i missed the over-explaining

but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn

This turnaround happened waaaaaaay too quickly
Obvious case of bussing

--

That seems like a good place to take a break for today

[Egix96]

Yeah that's what I meant.

I'm not going to do a meta dive to see if it's really the same, I'm just not.

But if you're not scum, help me out here because this game state feels like we're no where close to landing on a scum lynch

and i think that gives you scum equity all on its own

i'm literally voting someone who you said you would vote. i've explained why they're scum here. what more do you want?

how is it metadiving if I literally give you the posts in a spoiler. you don't even need to actually read it, just notice that I post big posts as town too.

I meant that I'm not going to do a metadive to confirm. like 2 posts does not a meta read make

Does this read like s/s to you egix?

I know it was s/s, so why does it matter whether it reads like it or not?

[Egix96]

I mean, from your point of view, you know it is s/s.

From my point of view, it doesn't particularly look like s/s.

Vis-a-vis, you probably would want to convince me that it is.

I can win this game by doing one of two things:
-Correctly identifying town
-Correctly identifying scum

If I see things from urap that make it harder to see him as scum, generally you would need to address those things.

Hm

So then my interpretation of it is urap deciding to push on his own buddy without properly thinking it through, leading Aus to have to fight back so that their house of cards wouldn't collapse, so to speak.

So are you saying you aren't getting a "*grits teeth* please stop bussing me" vibe from 1244?

[Egix96]

@your response to 703

I found that read Gamble gave to be spicy because I felt like the general thread consensus was that skitter was town (and I myself was TL-ing skit at that time)
Spicy as in standing out, going against the grain

[Egix96]

@1392
That was just me making a joke about 1378 looking like a scumslip
I honestly had no idea it was actually a mason soft

[Egix96]

i think ausuka is town

I def don't want to lynch outside those 4 players today

and your excilon case got me to rethink. you're right about iioa, and there were also a couple turns of phrase somewhere in the walls of text that pinged me

skim through hrg again for me? and don't forget the predecessor. I think that's our best shot today tbh

VOTE: hrg

ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh

VOTE: ausuka

I dunno how i missed the over-explaining

but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn

This turnaround happened waaaaaaay too quickly
Obvious case of bussing

--

That seems like a good place to take a break for today

Were you gonna continue? Cause my deadline kinda passed.

Maybe we should proceed immediately to the dance off phase instead?

I was gonna, but I was feeling like it would be mostly redundant after your 2332
If you still want me to do it then sure, I'll have a sit down this afternoon

[Egix96]

VOTE: bob

this is where my heart truly is.

maybe a new perspective from the IC-slot will kick this game into gear

Translation: "I don't really want to throw one of my own buddies under the bus"

Why? Is bob your uncle?

I felt his recent set of analysis felt like he was doing it for the sake of being seen as doing it rather than him actually trying to scum hunt.

Like, it seems to me that you started your 'analysis' with a scum read on ausuka, and then you gave a bunch of iioa, and then were content to sit on your ausuka vote.

I don't see any indication that you've used any of your work to inform your scum reads

Disingenuous push, also indirectly defending Ausuka

Bob -> Egix -> Sash -> Gamr

Ooh boy look at that chain of town lynches.

[Egix96]

urap remind me of your ausuka read?

i wavered at one point, but I'm pretty sure aus is town

Obvious partner read

@skitter prob egix, bob both good choices.

gamr or exilon not bad choices

im not getting on ausuka because I don't understand why he gets bussed over just pushing you

and I'm not town reading egix or bob, so I really don't want to vote there

No mention of HRG slot, how convenient

[Egix96]

I think we lynch Ausuka here actually for trying to argue the proc off of me. I don’t see a reason to do it as Town and a LOT of reason to do it as scum.

I could see it being a town gambit to stop a double kill if you're town

This on it's own is a bad reason. Still not sure why Ausuka is the counter wagon over egix

Finds excuse to defend Aus

This game seems slow for three competing wagons with 24 hours left

Sashaddin we're not lynching Garmr today. How do you feel about Ausuka and Egix?

Yeah, egix. Lynch that.

Bad for obvious reasons

I’m going to take this hammer to end the day. No one else hammer.

then how will i be able to bus sash?? =(

(*Phelous voice*) Inappropriate...

[Egix96]

sorry urap but your time is up. we lynch you d3.

ok sounds good

Jokey response, he knew she didn't mean it really.

VOTE: egix

I buy ausuka claim

Busy until about noon pst

You get the idea...

[Egix96]

This is a lynch notice the amount of confirmed townies on the rui lynch compared to the sash lynch. This shows rui lynch was heavily scum pushed. The only way that there is scum off the wagon is if it is skitter.

hrg is also basically confirmed at this point because ausuka, just sayin

also this

pedit ill get to that after I do some chores

[Egix96]

Obvious partner read

Given 1428 is obvious, why did you vote Exilon yesterday?

I wasn't aware of that post at the time I made that vote. It's something I've only discovered from reading urap's ISO today. And even then it's only obvious in hindsight.

In all honesty I was really hoping that Exil v Skygazer was just desperate theatre and we'd all be fine and dandy.
My heart didn't want urap to be scum...

[Egix96]

so those walls feel to me like svs~~~~~

Setting up an Exilon lynch after Ausuka flips

[Egix96]

ok time to lynch

she's in no-spew mode

exchange with skygazer likely scum theater but maybe not

Hedging

I havent gotten around to doing the whole math urap2 sorry but doesn't seem like it'll be necessary after this

yeah i mean why would you want to figure out why it's auto from your pov

this is also scum

guess I was wrong on egix

Opportunistic, again setting up on Exilon

[Egix96]

Given you wanted Egix earlier, why did you vote Exilon yesterday?

From my perspective, it's pretty auto.

I haven't been super engaged

, and over time I became less solid in my reads because I knew it was one of x and that's all that mattered. And then that tvt between me and exilon over whether or not he should be at auto like I was felt kind of like caught scum. It biased me against my read.

I think if I had reread iso's during yesterday's phase I would have gotten back to egix.

And yet he questioned me for being disengaged...

[Egix96]

find it because I was, what, power wolfing day 1 through skitter and inferno pushing super hard on me? I wish I could manage that

J/w but why do you think you're incapable of powerwolfing through scumreads d1?

i was exaggerating a bit. I think I could, but I it would be tough. skitter is a force, and inferno was pretty loud. It was stressful as town so I think I would have had trouble as scum

He thinks? lol

I think you're down the rabbit hole pretty far mate

"Stop overthinking things, just vote the townie already before you change your mind"

[Egix96]

Another thought is that everyone really needs to watch how interactions with Uzi go down. Since Uzi is IC (Innocent Child), it means that where his vote goes and what he says can have a huge impact on the game and the wagons. So anyone trying to manipulate that needs to be looked at hard.

This post really pings me as scummy.
To this point URA and Exilon look town.

well I'm going to actively discourage your lynch, so if you are lynched and flip town, I will hold no blame.

I regret considering you as town already, this just looks bad and not from a town motivated view.
At this point there's no threat to this lynch happening but you are already writing it off as a town with very little doubt, and already preparing for the town credit on a town flip.

Okay on to gazerslot now

Extremely quick turnaround. Compare with the 180 urap had re:Aus.

[Egix96]

Hey, HRG, welcome to the game!
Any other general thoughts 8 pages in?
A general readlist?

{Asuka, CDB, URA}

{Garmr, Egix, Exlion}

{Bob's, RuiRui, Inferno}

{Sash}
{Skitter}

Skitter just really pings me with their posting and just feels like a lot of empty posting.

Get your drudge sirens out, people...

[Egix96]

So this is where I'm at after the catch up fully.

URA is obvious town right now

and the fact his wagon started is really bad.
I'm feel less like Sash scum with the VT claim and even though VT lynch / scum lynch isn't a bad choice day 1 I don't think Sash flips scum here.

I don't think that URA's wagon was all town either so Skitter, Inferno or RuiRui have 1-2 scum.

The current RuiRui wagon looks all town other than Skitter. Skitter is just looking for a lynch rather scum hunting and their voting patterns/reasons show this.

If it comes to it I'll vote RuiRui over Sash and URA but I think Skitter is just out right scum and it doesn't look like bussing.

VOTE: Skitter

YGTI

[Egix96]

Reads at the bottom of page 10

Town: Exilon, Bob, Garmr
Light Town: Ausuka, Skitter
Null: Egix
Keep an eye on these: Inferno, URAP2
Scum: Sasha

VOTE: Sashaddin

Obviously Gamma didn't like how his predecessor had been treating urap.

I'm gonna go right for the cliche here

*ahem*

I think this is TvT

URAP2 is performing poorly rn imo

Subtle distancing

[Egix96]

if i go today i dont wanna lose this game to urap paranoia

What a weird comment

Home stretch!

[Egix96]

I think that Sasha is scum, but I think it would be a mistake to lynch Inferno next. I kind of feel like Sasha has been trying to buddy Inferno, and if they were partners and Inferno was committed to not bussing he would vote Ruirui. What he's done instead makes himself look bad on a Sasha scumflip and doesn't really help save him, imo.

How has Sasha been trying to buddy Inferno? They have little to no interactions with each other and he seemed to make it very clear that he didn’t want to get involved in the spat with Exil.

Also I feel like his play has been to try and buddy Inferno? Like, first he calls Inferno's massive case great, then joins him on Urap, then Garmr forms his Inferno push and Sasha comes to his defense, recycling the same "opportunistic" line Inferno used, in 260.

this is why i think this; i don't think it's a "gross misrepresentation" at all.

@sasha: i don't think you're necessarily playing badly? if you want to get better at playing, something you could is reading old games, and looking at what scum do. you can learn how scum behave and when you're scum you can try and avoid those kinds of behaviours. at least that's what i do.

i can't think of anyone i'd like to lynch more than sasha. i'd like their flip here and

i don't particularly feel like urap is scum

(although i guess i don't exactly have a reason to think this, they just feel genuine to me) and inferno seems tunnely-town like he is usually.

More drudge

[Egix96]

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

Still drudgin'
Don't be misled by the tiers, he's her top town apart from DetPika and the masons

[Egix96]

sorry urap but your time is up. we lynch you d3.

@skitter: the urap line was just a joke.

Suuuuuuuuure it was...

[Egix96]

urap is scum btw

Ha
After lying about him for so long she finally let slip the truth!

[Egix96]

Egix what would you say are your strongest towngames? Can you link some examples?

Newbie 1893, Open 743

They're not games where I won but they are IMO my strongest towngames in that I outranged my scum self the most

Links are on my wiki, I don't mind you looking

[Egix96]

Would you say you feel proud of your play this game?

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

But in the sense of being happy with how things have turned out this game? No. I feel like I should have done more to prevent Sasha from being lynched and if I had gone with my first instincts we could've lynched the scums much sooner.

[Egix96]

Spoiler:

Would you say you feel proud of your play this game?

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

But in the sense of being happy with how things have turned out this game? No. I feel like I should have done more to prevent Sasha from being lynched and if I had gone with my first instincts we could've lynched the scums much sooner.

This is like... weird to me? We lynched scum back to back 3-4 which for a town is pretty good.

More than that, let's think about your play this game:
-You defended Sasha d1, you eventually mislynched Rui but w/e
-You pushed Ausuka starting day 2 and were the front of the wagon to do so, starting that wagon basically as soon as I replaced into the game
-You got Ausuka lynched day 3
-You lynched Skygazer day 4
-Then you mislynched Exilon day 5

Like... you have almost no wrong pushes. That's wild. In the two games you mentioned as your strongest, town lost, and you spent most of each of those games aggressively pushing town slots. This game, you have passively pushed two mislynches but also correctly lynched two scum. Frankly your play this game far outshines either of those two games you mentioned. I frankly don't understand how you aren't ecstatic with your personal play this game even if you do get lynched in lylo.

Like you're arguing you have gone outside your scumrange but I don't see how, but I am very much concerned that your reads accuracy this game is so far above average that it's rather jarring. But on the other hand, you have also spent almost none of this game pushing a scum agenda. For that matter, you've spent almost none of this game wildly flailing around.

The problem is that tonally, in your town games you seem more reactive, more likely to reflect, and more likely to be on a different track. This game your affect feels very flat. But the problem is that most of your logic through pretty much the entire game reads very pure. You basically push no mislynches.

Like if you compare your play to URAP's this game, I would personally be blown away if I was being scumread over him since he spends so much of the game apparently pushing scum agendas. He aggressively defended Ausuka and he set up the mislynch on Exilon in the context of presenting an "auto" mechanical solve of the game through an Ausuka lynch. Like, if he is scum, from your perspective as town, he has played a wildly wolfy game while you have played an incredibly, shockingly pro-town game... I don't get why you're not like, fired up?

Having correct reads isn't everything though - being towny is also important. I may have had better read accuracy here compared to 1893+743 but that's not solely how I'm defining a strong town game here.

And with that last paragraph... I must say, that makes a massive change from you saying Yesterday that I had no chance of winning a 1v1 vs urap.

As for why I'm not "fired up"... to be fair this whole situation is kinda reminiscent of that one Newbie game where I got Cowbell'd. Ending up in a 1v1 with someone you barely suspected all game, and virtually as soon as the day opens they come at you with an onslaught of "this is why Egix is scum" posts? Idk about you but that really drained the WIM out of me and it's kinda happening all over again here.

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

Explain why you've outranged scum!Egix in exactly one post.

Look, personally I think there's no point in going through various things I've done this game and saying they're out of my scumrange, because it's impossible to prove. It's up to you to determine where I've shown my town self.

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

Still drudgin'
Don't be misled by the tiers, he's her top town apart from DetPika and the masons

Also
Did you leave out Ausuka's read on you so I didn't "rule of 3" meme you?

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

this leaves {sasha, skitter, egix}

;

Spoiler:

Haha
Perhaps if I imagine that you're Auro that'll help ease my mental state. He's a cool guy, and that seems like the kind of post Auro would make (especially with the razz face there).

[Egix96]

... Nothing going on last night?

[Egix96]

Egix can I also ask you about the development of your bob read
>You didn't think Sasha voting for bob made Sasha scum, but you don't really say your read of bob
>you call out three people on bob being town
>...but say you would vote gamble over bob
>then agree bob can be 'misguided town'
>and then vote Ausuka in part because of her bob read
>then, even though you're townreading bob enough to vote Ausuka because of him, you ask bob why... he's townreading you?

Spoiler:

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

Bob is town.

Yeah Bob is town here.

i think bob is town

Whatever you three are seeing, I'm not seeing it...

Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG

Aorn if I had to vote either Bob or Gamble, I would vote Gamble.

Will that do for now?

But I doi have to say that I can see Bob being misguided town and for now that's where I'm leaning

Yeah I'm starting to see it too.

VOTE: Ausuka

Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob, 1191 specifically.

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

I find it a bit scummy that you described 948 as being stretchy and forced, rather than just calling it out as being a loaded question.

And I can easily envision (inexperiencedTown)!bob thinking that asking a specifically-phrased loaded question in an attempt to bait a scummy response, would be a valid strategy. (Not saying that I personally would recommend it, but still.)

I think

Exilion strong town lean

Egix slight town lean

Skitter slight town lean
inferno town lean
detective confirmed town by mod
gamr town

sach im scum reading
Aus scum read
urp2 sligh scum lean
HRG slight scum lean

Where did this come from?

I was mostly nullish on bob up until point #4

As for #6, I was curious because IIRC he had been suspecting me previously

[Egix96]

I can still see 1056 coming from scum very easily, didn't do the town meta review of urap yet and still want to think more about bob's case arguments on egix associatives.

Egix it is not easier to reevaluate you with you basically just vanishing from the thread fyi, we're not like pressed for time but we are over the halfway mark here and I am starting to reach the point even for me that I wanna just hammer you and call it a wash if you do somehow flip town

Sry dude but I really don't have much to say at this point...

If there's anything you'd like me to address then now's your chance

[Egix96]

I wrote a big post on urap being scum yesterday and you had no reaction lol

you didn't even comment on it

lol even I could tell that it was just a joke

...

I know I shouldn't really be saying this, but if you're that sure that I'm scum then you might as well vote now

I'm just done with this s*** man

[Egix96]

Meh

I don't think there's much point in keeping on saying I'm town if I'm no longer willing to put in the effort

But at the same time, I don't want to just say I'm scum because that would be no fun

Make of this post what you will, Detective!

[Egix96]

Spoiler: Teh sekrit

I'm actually a jester

[Egix96]

Well done

I was a

Urap was an

Heaven wins!

[Egix96]

Heh. Butts.

[Egix96]

No redactions needed afaik

Thanks for modding, tris