Newbie 1925 - Game Over

[MaryJoLisa]

I wanted a Sash claim bc it looks like Sash softed PR twice on day1
269
407
but now can't claim PR bc his partner is dead and it would mean a counterclaim and game over

I can see how 269 is a softclaim, but can you walk me through 407?

[TTTT]

"we might learn something"
I mean it could be meant as "we might learn something about the other players voting for me"
but it could also be meant as "you will learn I am a PR"

[MaryJoLisa]

Okay, I unvoted Sasha last night because I got a case of the panics. I've reviewed the thread, and I see that you accounted for #385 being ASC's post. I thought you were trying to pull a fast one on me and I missed the correction. I also see #269 looks like a soft claim and I can see enough of a case that #407 could also have been a soft claim. If I place a vote, it's going to L-1, right?

[TTTT]

Sash should be the lynch today because...

1) overall scummy play
2) his actions around CC's lynch are sketchy
3) he looks to have softed PR day1 but now claims VT
5) we should not risk outing a PR by taking anybody else to L-1
6) Sash should not survive to Lylo and scum will NOT kill him for us if he is town. If he is town and isn't lynched today we'll have to lynch him at some point anyway
7) there was no #4 and you didn't notice so now you have to do what I say

[TTTT]

If I place a vote, it's going to L-1, right?

yes
I unvoted so you could vote and give me the hammer
so he's at L-2

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: Sashaddin

[TTTT]

I still intend to hammer
but would like others to chime in first

[zeebu]

I still intend to hammer
but would like others to chime in first

are you looking for someone to talk you out of it or confirm your thoughts? sasha has been on my list since day 1 so i have no problem with it. the only thing ive seen in sasha's favor is the relatively quick jump onto clearly clarity. other than that, not much

[TTTT]

in the event Sash is town
and I'm dead
here are my notes after reviewing the game with scum!CC in mind:

106 - Schiav disagreeing with me is townie
123 - Sash looks scum
Sash's day1 "wariness" of someone on Zeebu's wagon is super scummy looking
167 - Sash with his "something I will not talk about right now" thing - scummy
200 - Clarity kinda points to zeebu as the partner - setting me up in case zeebu flips scum
wait no... Clarity seems to be assuming zeebu is town
233 - ASC looks bad trying to show two scummy posts by Clarity but ending the post with, "Most of the rest of Clarity's posts seem townie, although I'd struggle to pick out specific examples and describe why they seem townie, however I feel this is me being inexperienced more than Clarity being anti-town."
238 - ooooh this looks scummy from zeebu (tying me to Clarity scumflip)
239 - nope zeebu isn't the partner (my vote is on CC and ASC just voiced CC susp so scum!zeebu prob doesn't jump in too)
259 - scummy post from Sash
269 - Sash softing PR
301 - JPD not partners with CC (unneeded attention drawn to CC here when scum could skate by)
332 - again zeebu has no need to call out CC as his strongest SR with only one vote there and nearing EoD
334 - zeebu votes CC
335 - then immediately moves to Sash (what?)
339 - Sash makes zeebu vote (to divert from the consensus growing on CC?)
334 - wilky (MJL) looking like town here with the unvote
345 - Schiav what?? voting TheASC with no comment on the main wagon building (CC)
369 - Sash says CC is TR
385 - ASC votes wilky (vanity wagon vote on lurker instead of joining the CC wagon who he also SRs)
392 - Sash says he'd lynch between Schiav, Zeebu, Clarity
396 - Sash votes CC
407 - Sash with weird PR soft
446 - scummy post from zeebu

in a nutshell:

if Sash is town ASC is the next most likely scum
no I'm not scum trying to set up mislynches
I'm most likely dead if the game isn't over with a Sash lynch
bc you have all been vocal about TRing me

[TTTT]

are you looking for someone to talk you out of it or confirm your thoughts?

neither
I just want some discussion bc if he's town more discussion is good

[TTTT]

I have a hard time seeing anybody but Sash or ASC as CC's partner
maybe Schiav
but I'm TRing him independently of a CC connection

[TTTT]

maaaaybe MJL
but if she's scum she is much improved from her last scum game
and wilky's 344 looked town

[Sashaddin]

I wanted a Sash claim bc it looks like Sash softed PR twice on day1
269
407
but now can't claim PR bc his partner is dead and it would mean a counterclaim and game over

I can see how 269 is a softclaim, but can you walk me through 407?

"we might learn something"
I mean it could be meant as "we might learn something about the other players voting for me"
but it could also be meant as "you will learn I am a PR"

269 was a VT softclaim.
407 -> 'we might learn something' was about possible wagonomics
I never hinted I had a PR, at least not voluntarily

[Sashaddin]

I wanted a Sash claim bc it looks like Sash softed PR twice on day1
269
407
but now can't claim PR bc his partner is dead and it would mean a counterclaim and game over

I can see how 269 is a softclaim, but can you walk me through 407?

"we might learn something"
I mean it could be meant as "we might learn something about the other players voting for me"
but it could also be meant as "you will learn I am a PR"

269 was a VT softclaim.
407 -> 'we might learn something' was about possible wagonomics
I never hinted I had a PR, at least not voluntarily

[TTTT]

269 was a VT softclaim.

why would you softclaim VT?

[MaryJoLisa]

334 - wilky (MJL) looking like town here with the unvote

Should be 344 not 334

[Sashaddin]

Sash should be the lynch today because...

1) overall scummy play
2) his actions around CC's lynch are sketchy
3) he looks to have softed PR day1 but now claims VT
5) we should not risk outing a PR by taking anybody else to L-1
6) Sash should not survive to Lylo and scum will NOT kill him for us if he is town. If he is town and isn't lynched today we'll have to lynch him at some point anyway
7) there was no #4 and you didn't notice so now you have to do what I say

1. I kinda agree, mostly bad play because it's scummy
2. I don't get this one
3. No, I really missed my post there if you think this way.
4. ?
5. I agree
6. Probably
7. TTTT is my new overlord

I agree I should be the lynch du jour, but I won't self-hammer out of principle. At tihs point, I am only but a liability for town.

[TTTT]

stop giving me doubts Sash!

[Sashaddin]

269 was a VT softclaim.

why would you softclaim VT?

I assumed it was the same as softclaiming a pr. Maybe it's a bad strategy.

[Sashaddin]

stop giving me doubts Sash!

I play too bad to survive, yet too good to be lynched squarely... what a mess. sorry guys.

[TTTT]

if you are town please give us some last thoughts
if you are scum feel free to self-hammer
because even thought I really liked 641 you still have to be the lynch

[Sashaddin]

if you are town please give us some last thoughts
if you are scum feel free to self-hammer
because even thought I really liked 641 you still have to be the lynch

617 were my last thoughts, I can try to find more.

MJ looks a lot more townie since the slot is being played actively.
JPD is either the remaining scum or else has abused his tunneling power on me
ASC is kinda difficult to understand to me the more the game goes on. I liked his early reaction but now he leaves me a bit cold

[TTTT]

JPD is being TR by most everyone I think

[TTTT]

TTTT is probably trying to get a hammer to get town cred. Looks Bad, especially when I flip green.

why do you think scum!me would get towncred for hammering town!you?

[Sashaddin]

Votecount 2.05

MaryJoLisa (2) -

zeebu, TTTT

Sashaddin (2) -

JPD, TheASC

TheASC (1) -

Schiavetto

Schiavetto (1) -

Sashaddin

Not Voting (1) -

MaryJoLisa

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-04-26 20:20:00).

VOTE: Sash

This is L-1

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Sashaddin

UNVOTE: Sasha

I'm confused. I need to go through this again.

VOTE: Sashaddin

I thought I was already hammered for a moment. Still at

L-1