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setup mods expect town PR's to play as poor as possible and they expect scum PR's to play excellent

Yeah, this is setup balance 101. The first step is to look at what happens if town shits the bed and scum plays amazing. The second step is to look at what happens if town plays amazing and scum shit the bed.

That has nothing to do with the site meta of towns not doing well.

As far as the complaint of towns failing to synergize, this was a REALLY good example of that. RC/Vork/JP all correctly identified each other. I correctly identified Egix. RC worked with me until we came to the point where our paranoia on each other disappeared. Scum woke up in an unwinnable position BECAUSE town managed to work together.

And really, if you're mad enough to blacklist over the day one wagon, maybe examine why you thought an ascetic claim was enough to slip the noose in the first place.

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Teach me your ways

Figure out the setup before scum
Think of a possible role that could fuck with scum's night actions
Claim
Laugh at them after they fuck up their night actions

Don't do this Vork. GiF is fairly unique in his ability to judge WHEN fakeclaiming is a good idea, and bad fakeclaims are way worse than good fakeclaims are good.

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That's fine. Idc if I do. Egotistical players will never value logical opinions if it's not in their favor.

Eh. I'm an ego and I'm pretty damn logic oriented.

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Tactical replace outs or not, replacing out because being pressured is an unethical move regardless of the alignment.

+1

imo the only reason to replace is because you are incapable of continuing to play, presumably bc RL.

If I had the ability to make a siterule, it would be that a replace out is a 2 week signup ban. Always.

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i think my method of scumhunting has essentially no counterplay. i have no more difficulty reading the best scum players than the worst and i don't usually struggle against people going all out to fool me.

I have a plan for snowing you as scum, actually. Someday I might even be able to use it.

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No, because you're clearly a compulsive liar.

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Also always lie about your role as town. And your results. IF town doesn't know anything the scum won't know anything.

Clearly wrong. The only correct way to play mafia is to quote your role PM in the first post. That way you're never mislynched.

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1v1 between two town roles--absolute worst possible case scenario for town roles possible, yes?

I mean.... No less so than a gunsmith getting a vig guilty. Which is a thing that the role gunsmith implies is possible in a setup. I submit that loyal as a modifier implies the capacity for a roleblocker just as much as gunsmith implies the potential for a vig or a mafia doctor. It's just a role that requires interpretation. The fact that cop doesn't require interpretation makes it a comparatively shitty role (as far as fun, not power) to loyal, tracker, or other investigatives.

Encryptors as one of the weakest scum PRs

Encryptors are amazing town utility because daychat is the norm. The ability to maybe take away scum's ability to coordinate is AMAZING. That even discounts the need scum has to protect that individual slot. Daychat itself is the amazing scum utility.

fite me

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I don't understand why ppl have the ability to replace back in. Replacing out is THE last resort.

They kinda don't, but no one realized at the time, afaict.

Once a replace-out request has been made public by the moderator, the player replacing out is to stop posting in the game.

The player is not allowed to replace back into the game

or rescind their request. If a moderator wants to allow any deviation from these rules, it must be stated explicitly in their rule set.

I actually wouldn't have a problem with replacing into a slot you'd replaced out of in certain situations, (You lose internet access and your previous slot requires replacement again 2 months down the line when you get it back) but it is explicitly against the rules.

As far as replacing out being the last resort, I 100% agree. Hence my opinion of the signup ban for repping out. It's not a punishment so much as insurance that means a player doesn't just sign up for 5 games and rep out of all but one because they're less fun. Sign up for what you can handle. If you can't handle what you've got because *reasons*, that's fine, just make sure to take the time to deal with whatever the problem is before signing up for more.

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I include daychat in most of my setups because I think it tends to be more fun than not having daychat for the scumteam. I also balance with daychat in mind.

If day chat isn't in one of my setups (like the messenger based one I ran last year, for example) there's a reason for it, because, again, I think daychat is more fun than no daychat.

Basically, I'm arguing that I shift the baseline because I wanted to take a contrary opinion to mastina, mostly because I like to argue.

Fite me.

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I agree that godfather is more garbage-y than cop, fwiw.

And I would argue that the fact that I wasn't the only one who seriously considered a RB as a scumrole supports my opinion.

I will say that this game makes me intrigued as to the possibility of revisiting townsided setups from years ago in the new meta.

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FWIW, Tchill, I hold nothing against you. If you don't want to play in games with me I'll respect it though.

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I will say that I hope you change your mind, because from what I remember you were fun to play with in the past.

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Few people mentioned my tone being weird. I hope it does not put me in any unnecessary trouble in my future games.

New players just tend to be tonally off. It'll smooth out a bit with time, and a bit more with people getting used to you.

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Hey, if anyone wants to join a low-effort game, BoP 3 is in the micro queue right now. I have a backlog of games to run, and the sooner this one fires the sooner I can start pumping out fresh blood.