Open 76 - Polygamist Mafia (Over!) before 604

[Grimmy]

and as for voting with OMGL, not only is he my partner in this game, who I will be extremely loyal to,

his reasoning, to me, was sound.

So I do follow his lead on this one.

On later days, If I disagree, I shall say so.

We are partners in this game, so Im not afriad to disagree with him.

I repost this for you farside. I stated that I agree with his reasons for this vote. This may not happen on the next vote. But we will have to wait and see.

Grimmy
has his own mind...its over there..in the jar marked "unused"

[bionicchop2]

That is not the point Zombie. If people find one person as part of the love connection scummy they should be talking for themselves. Having your lover come in to ward things off could be because he knows your newb and wants to take pressure off you.

Let me ask you this - if you come in to read the game and feel like posting, but the only posts are directed at the 1 person you know 100% sure to be town, what do you do? Or if the current topic is your partner, do you just lurk (and of course get accused of being a scummy lurker)?

My goal is to win the game. If my partner gets lynched, then I don't get to play anymore and I rely on the people who mislynched my partner to not screw up again the next day. I would expect him to do the same for me. If I speak incorrectly about what I assume he meant, I have no doubt he will correct me.

My name is attached to the current lynch and you can be sure I am going to do everything in my power to prevent it. Unlike most games where the goal as town is not just to not get lynched, I feel it is pretty damn important to not get lynched in this game.

[farside22]

That is not the point Zombie. If people find one person as part of the love connection scummy they should be talking for themselves. Having your lover come in to ward things off could be because he knows your newb and wants to take pressure off you.

Let me ask you this - if you come in to read the game and feel like posting, but the only posts are directed at the 1 person you know 100% sure to be town, what do you do? Or if the current topic is your partner, do you just lurk (and of course get accused of being a scummy lurker)?

My goal is to win the game. If my partner gets lynched, then I don't get to play anymore and I rely on the people who mislynched my partner to not screw up again the next day. I would expect him to do the same for me. If I speak incorrectly about what I assume he meant, I have no doubt he will correct me.

My name is attached to the current lynch and you can be sure I am going to do everything in my power to prevent it. Unlike most games where the goal as town is not just to not get lynched, I feel it is pretty damn important to not get lynched in this game.

I don't expect you to sit and do nothing. What is needed is Zombie to come in and say something as well. If you look at his post my point was basically thus:
People find zombie scummy. If people find him scummy then him posting to defend himself helps determine if he is scummy. You as his partner can look town and do well for him, but could be scum (more experienced player) who can talk yourself out of being lynched. Now do you see the problem?

[Gorrad]

Ok, I just thought of something.

Earlier, someone mentioned something along the lines of this:

If one player in a lover couple seems scummy, and the other one is a no-read, we should lynch them.

If one player in a lover couple seems townie, and the other one is a no-read, we should not lynch them.

Question: What if one player in a lover couple seems scummy, and the other townie? And I mean, extremely scummy/townie.

We wait. Of course, the odds of that are VERY slim. Scum, in general, act like scum.

I did NOT like Bionic's last post.

[bionicchop2]

That is not the point Zombie. If people find one person as part of the love connection scummy they should be talking for themselves. Having your lover come in to ward things off could be because he knows your newb and wants to take pressure off you.

Let me ask you this - if you come in to read the game and feel like posting, but the only posts are directed at the 1 person you know 100% sure to be town, what do you do? Or if the current topic is your partner, do you just lurk (and of course get accused of being a scummy lurker)?

My goal is to win the game. If my partner gets lynched, then I don't get to play anymore and I rely on the people who mislynched my partner to not screw up again the next day. I would expect him to do the same for me. If I speak incorrectly about what I assume he meant, I have no doubt he will correct me.

My name is attached to the current lynch and you can be sure I am going to do everything in my power to prevent it. Unlike most games where the goal as town is not just to not get lynched, I feel it is pretty damn important to not get lynched in this game.

I don't expect you to sit and do nothing. What is needed is Zombie to come in and say something as well. If you look at his post my point was basically thus:
People find zombie scummy. If people find him scummy then him posting to defend himself helps determine if he is scummy. You as his partner can look town and do well for him, but could be scum (more experienced player) who can talk yourself out of being lynched. Now do you see the problem?

I see your point and agree he should defend himself in addition (I think he has). You also have to take into account that there aren't scum pairs, but 4 scum. In a setup where 1 scum lynch is all that is needed, you would expect a little more dissent against the zombie lynch. What you have now is him and I defending him with the rest of the active players attacking. It is cooled off a bit with some players at least trying to look at other options.

This game will not be won for town by finding 1 person who looks scummy.

[bionicchop2]

We wait. Of course, the odds of that are VERY slim. Scum, in general, act like scum.

I did NOT like Bionic's last post.

You could at least clarify what you didn't like about it. There have been many posts I haven't liked, but without reason, the statement means nothing.

[bionicchop2]

you would expect a little more dissent against the zombie lynch (if he was scum)

EBWOP (parenthesis added for clarification)

[farside22]

I see your point and agree he should defend himself in addition (I think he has). You also have to take into account that there aren't scum pairs, but 4 scum. In a setup where 1 scum lynch is all that is needed, you would expect a little more dissent against the zombie lynch. What you have now is him and I defending him with the rest of the active players attacking. It is cooled off a bit with some players at least trying to look at other options.

This game will not be won for town by finding 1 person who looks scummy.

Fair enough. No one else has come to defend zombie as much as you. I really didn't see him defend himself as much as you coming in and defending him honestly. I can't say that scum is going to defend there scum buddy. Obviously with people grouped into 2 that has been covered at this point so I expect more subtlety with people coving butt for others.
Have you thoughts on who is coming across as scummy?

[bionicchop2]

Have you thoughts on who is coming across as scummy?

I still have some doubts about Qman, but most of my suspicion there is temporarily dissipated.

Xtoxm for his OMGUS vote on you. We bypassed the random voting stage and I don't feel votes should just be thrown around with little reason. It is not hard to make even a minor case that goes beyond 'they just feel scum' type of arguments.

Other than those, nothing major is sticking out. The latest round of prods seemed to help this thread though, so things should progress a bit.

[hasdgfas]

Adel replaces water_foul. Let's all give a cheer.

[Xtoxm]

Doesn't she know the orignal role though?

[bionicchop2]

Adel replaces water_foul. Let's all give a cheer.

ummm, yeah. adel was replaced by panzer already, so they know somebody else's role PM.

[hasdgfas]

No, she never picked up her role before. the message was deleted before she got it

[Adel]

sorry for missing my original role PM -- I was out camping. I hope y'all didn't mind waiting on me too badly.

I've never been a "they" before... I suppose I'll have to start referring to ourself in the royal "We".

Weeee!!!!!

[bionicchop2]

Welcome adel. Mind refreshing our memory who your partner is?

[Adel]

Qman is

[Adel]

vote:ZombieSlayer54

[Gorrad]

That's L-1. While I agree with probable Zombie-scum, it's D1 and seven pages into a two-day max game. Someone unvote.

Also,

Major FoS: Adel

.

[Adel]

ZS is scum. one more vote and we are done with this game.

the game is only seven pages, and the first two pretty much don't count.

it seems really clear to me.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Reasoning, Adel?

[hasdgfas]

Third vote count of Day 1

ZombieSlayer54(5): OhGodMyLife, Grimmy, dcorbe, Panzerjager, Adel

Adel(1): Gorrad
Xtoxm(1): farside22
farside22(1): Xtoxm

Not voting: bionicchop2, killa seven, Qman, ZombieSlayer54

12 alive, 7 to lynch




Deadline still june 30

[Gorrad]

Doh! L-2, my mistake ><.

[bionicchop2]

sorry Adel. I think that was the vote I was keeping my eye open for. The others seemed believable and had reasons (even if I don't agree) or were going with their partner, but yours was trash.

vote Adel

Please give a detailed outline of your reasoning and 1 person you think is his partner besides me.

[bionicchop2]

Third vote count of Day 1

ZombieSlayer54(5): OhGodMyLife, Grimmy, dcorbe, Panzerjager, Adel

water_foul(1): Gorrad
Xtoxm(1): farside22
farside22(1): Xtoxm

Not voting: bionicchop2, killa seven, Qman, ZombieSlayer54

12 alive, 7 to lynch




Deadline still june 30

Gorrad - your vote for water_foul is technically on Adel now. Just a heads up if you don't intend to vote for them. You FoS'd adel, so I assume you just want to FoS at this point.

Fixed in VC
-Cow

[Adel]

scum naturally would've been acutely aware of some of the larger ramifications of this setup. They (unlike water_foul and Qman) would've spent quite a bit of energy talking before the game started (or at least two or three). Scum would be acutely aware that there was no night phase and that they have no NK. Scum would try to appear helpful by pointing out some of the specifics of the setup to townies who hadn't figured it out.

I don't have a clue who else would be with ZS and biochop, and it doesn't matter much. We'll find out soon enough.

Reading through biochip and ZS posts makes it really clear. Try to read through them with a fresh mind. I skimmed the thread and their guilt really popped out.