Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

popsofctown · Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:18 am

I'm V/LA May 1-7

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:26 am

Can we expect any posts from you during that period or will you be completely cut off from posting?

popsofctown · Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:29 am

I'll just be less involved.

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 am

In post 1973, Liger_Zero wrote:If I am wrong on Iconeum. Its Hydra TBD.

Other one would be Cerberus.

I think I have made my peace, let me know when you guys want to end the day.

Intent to hammer.

2 hours(4 p.m. MST), if there's more conversation that needs to happen, let me know so I can hold off on it.

In post 1974, popsofctown wrote:Are you saying you want someone to threaten the hammer before you claim?

He kinda already scoffed at the idea of claiming, which I read as basically saying that obviously he's a VT because he fake claimed cop and what sort of other PR would fake claim cop(other than a PGO, maybe, but then that's asking a protective to get killed when they try to save you).

popsofctown · Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:42 am

Hider.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:49 am

Hider is functionally like a Cop though because if you survive your target is Town and if you die they’re scum.

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:05 am

In post 1978, Cerberus v666 wrote:He kinda already scoffed at the idea of claiming, which I read as basically saying that obviously he's a VT because he fake claimed cop and what sort of other PR would fake claim cop

This

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:10 am

In post 1981, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 1978, Cerberus v666 wrote:He kinda already scoffed at the idea of claiming, which I read as basically saying that obviously he's a VT because he fake claimed cop and what sort of other PR would fake claim cop
This

Liger, please repeat if you haven't already: Guaranteed town to you, outside of the mechanical clears? Scum reads are Icon>Me=Hydra TBD? Is that correct?

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:10 am

popsofctown · Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:13 am

Liger how do I read Shiro?
halp

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:14 am

Look at Wisdoms interactions with Shiro.
Ask yourself if it makes sense for scum!wisdom to interact scum!shiro in that way and vice versa.

RCEnigma · Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:47 am

So I'd agree with Liger but mostly for the small stuff. For example there was a short interaction between wisdom and shiro about a previous game (Giffy-Q) that doesn't feel natural as a partner/partner observation. Reason being it doesn't do anything to prove or "fake" alignment posts regarding slots that weren't also in that game.

Scum theater is hardly subtle like that and only would have been targeted at 1 head in the PPG Hydra and myself to a lesser extent though I wasn't really involved.

popsofctown · Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:04 am

I'm isoing Shiro since my contribution is about to drop soon and all that

In post 1565, Shiro wrote:K. Liger walk. Me through why you didn't check me? Wisdom was being pretty transparently town, yet you were certain I am scum and didn't manage to lynch me, you spent a good amount of day 1 trying to convince people to do so, yet why didn't you attempt to seal the deal?

This kinda reads like a townslip.

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:10 am

I actually have no idea how to read shiro, after having played many games with him...so yeah. :-/

@pop: was that a request for me to wait on hammering until you finish ISOING?

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:20 am

In post 1987, popsofctown wrote:I'm isoing Shiro since my contribution is about to drop soon and all that

In post 1565, Shiro wrote:K. Liger walk. Me through why you didn't check me? Wisdom was being pretty transparently town, yet you were certain I am scum and didn't manage to lynch me, you spent a good amount of day 1 trying to convince people to do so, yet why didn't you attempt to seal the deal?
This kinda reads like a townslip.

Theres also the post where Shiro is telling Wisdom that I faked an inno on him in order for him to townread me so that I could pocket him.

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:25 am

In post 1567, Shiro wrote:
In post 1561, Wisdom wrote:why would liger lie

i very much doubt scum make me conftown when they cant even kill me
Buddying up to you so yiu don't lynch them seems to be working pretty well. They can always end game you.

In post 1569, Shiro wrote:Unless of course you are lying not planning to ever kill him and Buddying up.

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:26 am

I don't see scum!shiro making this arguments towards scum!wisdom.

popsofctown · Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:29 am

I want you to wait to hammer until I'm on V/LA so I only neglect obligations for five days instead of seven.

That's not necessarily a request you should honor.

I actually don't want you to hammer at all because I don't think Liger is scum.

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 am

We could wait until Iconeum answers some of my questions. I kind of would like to flesh my own read out there. In case I am wrong and its Hydra TBD.

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 am

Iconeum I want a response for these:

In post 1968, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 1951, Iconeum wrote:Talk about a blatant lie lol
Why would town!Ico call me a blatant liar and not be voting me when everyone else wants to? Why is he so focused on Volxen given everything going on in the current game state?

I don't think these actions tell me he is town. I think if he thought I was lying or misrepresenting him, he would have some other reason to call me town so as not a reason to at least consider voting me. He doesn't seem to consider it at all.

And going back through his posts I am not even sure what his overall read on me is.

In post 1970, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 1954, Iconeum wrote:Despite this, I don't actually scumread Liger for his push on me.
Why?

RCEnigma · Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:45 am

In post 1989, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 1987, popsofctown wrote:I'm isoing Shiro since my contribution is about to drop soon and all that

In post 1565, Shiro wrote:K. Liger walk. Me through why you didn't check me? Wisdom was being pretty transparently town, yet you were certain I am scum and didn't manage to lynch me, you spent a good amount of day 1 trying to convince people to do so, yet why didn't you attempt to seal the deal?
This kinda reads like a townslip.
Theres also the post where Shiro is telling Wisdom that I faked an inno on him in order for him to townread me so that I could pocket him.

I mean you could make the case that it's TMI from Shiro, knowing that your inno was fake. It sets Town!Liger up for the mislynch albeit further down the line. Wisdom would have to take the fall first.

Since you've already dug it up, was that before or after Alchemist claimed his red check?

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:46 am

In post 1995, RCEnigma wrote:I mean you could make the case that it's TMI from Shiro, knowing that your inno was fake. It sets Town!Liger up for the mislynch albeit further down the line. Wisdom would have to take the fall first.

Since you've already dug it up, was that before or after Alchemist claimed his red check?

Before.

RCEnigma · Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:48 am

Tough call since Shiros tunnel started day 1 which gives probable cause to doubt your claim to begin with.

Liger_Zero · Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 am

Why would Shiro be telling her teammate that her partner is being pocketed by a town player?

RCEnigma · Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:55 am

Throws suspicion on the claimed cop, if you're town and they're scum they know your inno is fake. They can get ahead of you being exposed as a liar.

This is also predicated on Wisdom being a designated buss at some point, with him flipping goon that isn't far-fetched.

Alchemist claiming the red check makes you look bad on wisdoms flip but if scum was going to buss they no longer get the credit. They can still push you though considering how your fakeclaim went.

I don't think Shiro is that scummy or you're that townie, I'm just playing devil's advocate for a whole picture kinda thing.