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Post Post #2050 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:13 pm

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In post 2047, Moongrass wrote:Ico, to be clear, you're scummy but unlikely to be the main killing scum. That doesn't mean you're not scum. A lot of your ISO makes sense, as RCE pointed out, the hedging on wisdom was pretty bad. What I quoted is the needle that broke the camels back. It reads that after you hedge on wisdom, you attempt to redirect town roles from looking into him because it would be useless somehow. I'm also still adamant that your EOD1 push on me was a scum claim.

On volxen, it doesn't make sense that wisdom jumps on that wagon unless it's distancing that he knows won't go through. That's not how I'm interpreting it.
I never hedged on wisdom. I never really pushed there, that's not the same as hedging. My point of view on the matter is very clear.

Yes, I kept saying that power roles would be wasted on Shadow and that a lynch would be better. And that's still true. There's very little power roles that would have a town benefit used on Shadow.

Did you see my quote above? That 'wow Moon this looks pretty bad' is the full extent of said 'EOD1 push on you'.
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Post Post #2051 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:45 pm

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In post 2050, Iconeum wrote:Did you see my quote above? That 'wow Moon this looks pretty bad' is the full extent of said 'EOD1 push on you'.
Yes that's what EOD1 stands for...end of day 1. You effectively town spewed chen after the hammer and before the flip by trying to shade me there.
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Post Post #2052 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 pm

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In other words it was clear you knew he was flipping town so you made sure to shade me for my vote on him before he flipped. It's a classic scum mistake to setup the next lynch on a green flip. It makes sense for scum to shade me there and not kill me.
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Post Post #2053 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:51 pm

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In post 2052, Moongrass wrote:In other words it was clear you knew he was flipping town so you made sure to shade me for my vote on him before he flipped. It's a classic scum mistake to setup the next lynch on a green flip. It makes sense for scum to shade me there and not kill me.
Explain why you claimed to clear Chenn, and then immediately voted there?
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Post Post #2054 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:52 pm

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Ur actually scum and you got caught lol
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Post Post #2055 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:03 am

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In post 1460, Moongrass wrote:I don't want to lynch Chen so can we please lynch elsewhere?
In post 1466, Moongrass wrote:If it helps anyone I think the claim is legit. Never seen ascetic and JK combined though.
In post 1483, Moongrass wrote:I don't mind soft claiming to save Chen. I am the even night variant of his role hence I believe them to be town.
In post 1492, Moongrass wrote:VOTE: Chen
And that's over the course of barely 30 posts
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Post Post #2056 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:44 am

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Prod received. I was under the impression we would have lynched liger by now but it seems o was mistaken.
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Post Post #2057 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:24 am

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UNVOTE: i think liger is probably flipping town here

I could lynch pops tbh
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Post Post #2058 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:33 am

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In post 2016, Iconeum wrote:Sooo you think I should scumread you because you lied? Please do tell me why I, as scum, would NOT be voting you right now?
Well I think theres multiple reasons you could be scumreading me, it isn't an exactly hard read to sell to people right now. So that makes me curious on why you do townread me?

You seem to imply you don't think me and Wisdom have scum interactions, am I getting that right? If not pls correct me, if I am can you go into more detail?
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Post Post #2059 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:39 am

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I actually think we should still lynch me today, as Alchemist and Almost was saying that having me continue to be around the topic of me faking cop to save a buddy will continue to resurface unless we just quash that now so it won't bog down the game later.

I want to talk to Iconeum some more before we do that though.
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Post Post #2060 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:42 am

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In post 1743, Hydra TBD wrote:I think Shiro is scum too. Wisdom awkwardly hopped off their wagon on D1 to join the chennis wagon.

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What was awkward about Wisdom hop off?
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Post Post #2061 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:47 am

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In post 2059, Liger_Zero wrote:I actually think we should still lynch me today, as Alchemist and Almost was saying that having me continue to be around the topic of me faking cop to save a buddy will continue to resurface unless we just quash that now so it won't bog down the game later.

I want to talk to Iconeum some more before we do that though.
This is a sentiment that I agree with(that the noise surrounding this singular event could easily grown to dominate the entire game, and thus it needs to be resolved in some fashion sooner rather than later).

In unrelated news, moongrass is also like 90% town, because in my opinion their claim is certainly true, the only question is the alignment of their claimed role...and a scum moongrass along with a flipped town counterpart would have meant scum could have freely shot alchemist21 last night with little concern about protection existing on them. Since they did not shoot there, but instead at someone who was unlikely to be protected due to their miller claim, indicates to me that there was concern about moongrass protecting their preferred target.

With that said, a small amount of doubt exists because scum!moongrass could have easily gotten away with commuting alchemist21 and thereby preventing any possible investigations under the guise of protecting them, but I don't believe moongrass' position in the game has been threatened enough/they have been under sufficient suspicion that scum!moongrass would wish to draw that scrutiny in their direction.
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Post Post #2062 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:55 am

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I've never seen a game get ruined because a questionable claim happened and the person lived too long.

In my experience people just forget about it.

I've seen it lose the game when that person was scum but that's not what people are alleging here.
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Post Post #2063 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:00 am

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VOTE: VolxenVOTE:
Shame on me for not keeping better notes, but I didn't realize Iconeum was alien'd. It's still a strong read for me, but not strong enough I'm happy with a 50% or 33% penalty, depending on how big the scumteam is (4 in a large?)
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Post Post #2064 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:00 am

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VOTE: Volxen
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #2065 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:13 am

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I'll fight anyone that wants a pops lynch today.
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Post Post #2066 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:15 am

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In post 2054, Iconeum wrote:Ur actually scum and you got caught lol
If you believed this you would've voted me by now instead of "what about"ing me. Your words and actions have done two different things the whole game.
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Post Post #2067 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:19 am

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In post 2044, Iconeum wrote:I'm not over my Volxen MJL scumread. Every bit of it remains as scummy as before.
I've quoted myself on it recently.

It is my single greatest independant scumread in this game, based on play.
We do have a scum flip though, so ISO them simultaneously and see if they look like partners in crime.

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Post Post #2068 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:26 am

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Alright then. It seems everybody is suspicious of Pops but nobody wants to take the initiative.

VOTE: Pops

Sheep a townie on their last day in the game. ;)

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Post Post #2069 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:30 am

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In post 2049, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: Moon
Well I should have read the last page...I retract my last post but still maintain you're scum.
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Post Post #2070 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:32 am

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I'm not an alien as previously mentioned.
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Post Post #2071 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:36 am

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A50, do you think Iconeum is town?
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Post Post #2072 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:39 am

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Dammit A50, now we have to fight.
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Post Post #2073 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:43 am

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VOTE: pops

im not looking for any trouble, though
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Post Post #2074 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:53 am

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In post 2071, Moongrass wrote:A50, do you think Iconeum is town?
I'm not sure. Leaning scum but not totally sold on it.

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