Open 757: Panic Room!

[rosterfoster]

I considered self voting because a lynch might be risky but it would kickstart the game into going again. I didn't self vote because self voting is anti-town

IDK is this a more scummy way to say it? It seems like being more self-aware to me which tbh I’d think as Licj scum.

But I might have tunnel vision.

Alternatively they’re both scum.

[Saudade]

I think eye is our guy today

[Saudade]

Or lich
I really dont know

[Saudade]

What is this sr on awest? Also, totally did not see that post from eyes where they threatened to self vote... that's pretty scummy...

This post makes me want to vote youuu

[ejjinami]

@Ejji: I am not sure I want to go back and look for what exactly triggered me to say this, but -generally- I think it's bad to say things like "this is SvS" before one of the two is flipped. Once flipped (if town) you have basically argued against your case on the other.

Spoiler:

It's bad because it provides scum an easy way to vote multiple townies in a row, not because it's a bad way to read them. I am (usually) careful with the way I do that and (for the most part) I do wait with acting on the read till after I see a flip.
Me posting stuff like that rn is mostly just so that I don't forget about it later, because I find finding interactions more difficult later on.

Of course, you will see me reading people pre-flip based on that sometimes, like, if multiple people I think are scummy don't feel like SvS with someone or sth like that, but if you don't like it, please address the individual reads instead of the whole method. I often find it easier to correctly read players that way, especially those who can't be tone-read, so I'm not really tempted to stop it.

OOF, actually, now that I think of it, this didn’t have to be addressed to me in a way that “I’m reading people wrong”……………. I tend to read people using interactions, so I took the post as “personal advice” and somehow managed to forget that I asked eyes a question related to that.
I think I misunderstood the answer completely and if so, I still want an answer to my question.
Who exactly were you talking about in post 698?
If it wasn’t me (and it couldn’t have been me), it still smells like bullshit.

[ejjinami]

The vote in 621 needs 611 for context. I townread Saudade so naturally Eyes was scum.

It might be that Saudade xor Eyes is scum

Why did you think there was scum among them? And you still haven’t elaborated on the read on awe
You were heavily SRing her before, so why exactly did you switch?

Don't see any other questions posed at me.

VOTE: ejjinami

I am fairly sure you are scum with Awest.

You defend her but refuse to townread her.

where exactly was I defending her?

1051 with a side of 1041, I think.

1040 is a subtle shade of awest so the noncommitalness really hits me hard.

I guess you could read it that way, lol
1051 is NAI. I said that awe is a bad player, which was very clearly wrong, so I corrected myself. Sure, you could debate if I’d do it more likely as SvS, TvT, or whatever, but honestly, what’s the point.
1041 is fair.
And how exactly is 1040 noncommitalness?

Comment on that, please

[themilkcartonkid]

What is this sr on awest? Also, totally did not see that post from eyes where they threatened to self vote... that's pretty scummy...

This post makes me want to vote youuu

Yeah... I realize that if tl flips town I'm the next lynch and I dont know how to fight that so I'm just praying I'm right and tl flips scum

[ejjinami]

[roster, fumuki/flavor]
[saudade]
[eyes, flubb]
[HRG, ofr, awes]
[]
[temporal, milk]

How you gonna have someone who's done nothing but be reactive this entire game higher than me?

You guys are really starting to upset me.

Always at your service
Fun fact, I have no idea who you’re talking about, but I’m p sure that regardless of who it is, the answer will still be the same.
Maybe start considering that you don’t actually feel like the type who can’t fake their tone or make a few “sensible” reads. And there are some people who do feel that way
In 99% of cases that would actually be the answer you’re looking for

[awestfie]

You're the bad player if you don't know who I'm talking about. No offense, though.

[awestfie]

Jingle, turn this game into popcorn mafia and give me a gun. I'll shoot Eyes right in the face.

[ejjinami]

What is this sr on awest? Also, totally did not see that post from eyes where they threatened to self vote... that's pretty scummy...

This post makes me want to vote youuu

Yeah... I realize that if tl flips town I'm the next lynch and I dont know how to fight that so I'm just praying I'm right and tl flips scum

do you have anyone other than TL you'd like to lynch?
I'm actually really interested in seeing your reads in general
Possibly explained ones

[awestfie]

What is this sr on awest? Also, totally did not see that post from eyes where they threatened to self vote... that's pretty scummy...

This post makes me want to vote youuu

Yeah... I realize that if tl flips town I'm the next lynch and I dont know how to fight that so I'm just praying I'm right and tl flips scum

This is townie AF, btw.

[ejjinami]

You're the bad player if you don't know who I'm talking about. No offense, though.

/shrug

Jingle, turn this game into popcorn mafia and give me a gun. I'll shoot Eyes right in the face.

why eves over TL?

[awestfie]

I've answered this question before.

[ejjinami]

you're not making this easy
ok, I'll look it up later

[ejjinami]

Eyes' most recent 3 posts are more empty than my life.

I actually agree with that. I don’t think it has to be scum-indicative though

IDK there is some content to them. I just don’t feel he’s trying so hard to set up mislynches if he gets lynched.

Sure, but there was very little content in them.

I agree, he's not trying hard to set up mislynches, but he's also not trying hard to do anything other than react to other people. Effort isn't AI, but if all you're going to do is be reactive, I'm going to vote you 10 out of 10 times.

Lack of effort when they’re getting lynched is absolutely AI imo.

[awestfie]

I literally said effort isn't AI in that post.

[awestfie]

Because effort isn't AI.

[awestfie]

If you believe effort is AI, then I don't know what to tell you. If you think a town player is going to do nothing but be reactive, I don't know what to tell you.

Eyes has done next-to-nothing that was proactive and instead has just been playing incredibly defensive. He's playing to not lose instead of playing to win.

[awestfie]

I'm getting really tired of you guys town reading Eyes for the shittiest of reasons.

[ejjinami]

If you believe effort is AI, then I don't know what to tell you. If you think a town player is going to do nothing but be reactive, I don't know what to tell you.

Eyes has done next-to-nothing that was proactive and instead has just been playing incredibly defensive. He's playing to not lose instead of playing to win.

again, it depends on the player
and it depends on the situation
there are no scum or town-tells that work for everyone and because of the stuff I said, I think this one shouldn't work here

besides, I think you're exaggerating it a bit
I didn't get the feeling that he was focusing on defending himself here
more like, he doesn't give a shit in general, which I'm still thinking about, but I don't think is always scum-indicative
we can agree to disagree though

[awestfie]

I'm not exaggerating, your posts are just so shit. If you think effort is AI, all power to you. But don't try to convince me otherwise when I say effort isn't AI. You AFK'd for half of this day and you're coming in with the shittiest of posts I've seen (and this includes Fumuki's posts).

I'm not on Eyes because of effort and I don't even know why you're bringing any of this effort topic up. The fact that you were outing reads a few pages back when you hadn't even read the thread fully and still don't understand why I'm on Eyes over TL kind of just proves my point.

[ejjinami]

OOF, that actually hurt a bit
I'm sorry if I misunderstood your reasons for SRing him
I don't have anything to say here. I'm going to try to read the rest of the pages today anyway, so if that's really the main issue, I'll just post later.

[Saudade]

time for ya'll to switch to Eyes boys

[themilkcartonkid]

time for ya'll to switch to Eyes boys

Let me ask you this, why NOT tl?