Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

[Shining Dreamers]

I think if Alonzo flips red my primary suspect is SD actually

Yes because scumastina is known for being a triple-busser.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mercy is currently at 10 .[/color] Undertale Mafia Votecount 3.203: Alonzo (3): Shining Dreamers, Rosterfoster, Dannflor The Worst (1): Brown Eyes Rosterfoster (1): Alonzo Shining Dreamers (0): Chemist1422 (0): Brown Eyes (0): Dannflor (0): Papyrus (0): Pink Ball (0): Not Voting: Papyrus, Chemist1422, Pink Ball, The Worst With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch. The day ends (expired on 2019-05-11 23:00:00).

[Alonzo]

Yeah but you could do that as scum

@mastina

[Shining Dreamers]

there's not even a hint of a counter wagon right now
so if that's red then scum are prepared to let this go which means they're probably hard bussing

Hey Dann.
This was said almost exactly word for word D1.
You know who it was said almost word for word on D1 for?

Skygazer.

Fuck if I wasn't too lazy to track it down, I could maybe find the exact quote. (Would involve figuring out who said it D1 tho. I don't remember.)

Where almost literally those exact words were said about Skygazer.

Wasn't true then, isn't true now.
(Honestly was probably Team RWBY, let me see if I can find it in their iso.)

[Shining Dreamers]

at BEST, scum are more than prepared for a HL/roster/sky/got/whoeverthefuck lynch and have had ample time to prepare based around that, at worst scum actively manipulated for those slots to be pushed up and have just been waiting for the inevitable.

This was probably what I was thinking of.
Ehh not quite as close as I remembered, but the sentiment between this post, 3430, and your post Dann, 4994, is the same:
"There's no real counterwagon to these pushes, so scum are prepared to let them go".

[Shining Dreamers]

Ank is probably face palming in her grave about my gamestate read

Well it's HER gamestate read, kinda sorta, so...maybe?

[Shining Dreamers]

SD, who is scum with Alonzo?

I honestly don't know--I think Papyrus, but I'm quite aware I could be wrong there.

Everyone outside of Alonzo has reason to be town.
Since there's four scum in the game, one of those players' reasons to be town are wrong.
Most players have reason to be scum.
Excluding Alonzo, only one of those players' reasons to be scum are right.

Picking the wrong townread/right scumread reasons is difficult.

Papyrus is my best guess, but what I really want to do is lynch Alonzo, get three scum dead, massclaim, and combine roles to mechanically narrow things down crossreferenced with scumhunting and work our way through that.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo

are you a sheep or a wolf?

Think hard.

[Shining Dreamers]

How is pap scum first off?

Papyrus spent a significant portion of D1 vanity voting Wiisp among others.
Papyrus did vote Skygazer, but critically lept off BOTH times the wagon was at its peak.
Papyrus's presence

plummeted

after D1 ended. On D1 Papyrus was an incredibly active poster--not the most active, but still had over a hundred posts to their name.

On D2, it was instead only a handful...and most of them were surrounding seeing Yume as me. There was almost no focus outside of that. No reason for the Chemist vote, no reason for anything. The only reasoning given was for us as scum under the wrongful assumption of Yume's posts being mine, and when that was shown to be the case, when Papyrus was shown to be barking up the wrong tree...Papyrus

did nothing

.

Absolutely nothing.

Papyrus

claims

to have received the same message Dannflor and I did, but in spite of Dannflor and I both having left clear, definitive, unambiguous hints as to having gotten it...Papyrus stands out as having done nothing.

Also this is preflip associatives butstill. Papyrus is defending you, and you are defending Papyrus, when the scumteam of four is down two members. If the scumteam gets down to a single member, they're pretty fucked.

[Alonzo]

and the triple kill overnight?

I thought Pap made that move?

[Alonzo]

So far to my knowledge Pap has only ever mentioned me in the negative or a best sat on the fence....

[Shining Dreamers]

To be clear:

Hey Wiisp, what're your current reads?

This was your first post of the day.

VOTE: Chemist

This was your last post of the day.
I'm reading the posts between those. 3958, 3964, 3978, 3984, 3987, 3992, 3994, 3997, 4001, 4003, 4010, 4015, 4021, 4025, 4027, 4038, 4043, 4049, 4050, 4052, 4060.

On D1, Papyrus had 172ish posts.

On D2, Papyrus had 23...mostly revolving around casing Yume thinking she was me.
One short burst of activity surrounding me--and then

nothing else

.

In stark contrast to Papyrus's D1 play.

And since then on D3 it's been much the same.
4811 marks the start of today for Papyrus.
What has Papyrus done since then? Ask for claims, which Papyrus did nothing with.
Ask for the flips to be included, which Papyrus still did nothing with.
Defend Alonzo.
Again. (This, in spite of on D2, having voted Alonzo previously, so if Papyrus voted Alonzo on D2 then Papyrus should have SOME idea of why there's Alonzo suspicion, yes?)
Ask what happens if assuming Papyrus is town.
Questions locktowning Dann, Pink, and Chemist, and doesn't follow the explanation given.
Denies having called Alonzo town in spite of defending Alonzo.
Questions us as locktown.
Claims to have received the message with no proof of it.
And says receiving the message doesn't make us town.
4935.
4939.
Shading us.
Multiple times.
Statement of reads being wrong, without an alternative given.
Questioning Pink Ball being strong town.

And we get the first--and only--actual read from Papyrus with calling Pink Ball scum.

ALL of Papyrus's posts today are pretty much the same thing.
Shading people.
Saying people SHOULDN'T be town.
Saying Alonzo SHOULDN'T be scum.
But not providing alternatives.
Not explaining Papyrus's own reads.
Not giving reasons.
Not giving hard stances.
Just shade-throwing, constantly, at everyone, trying to PREVENT a townbloc from forming, trying to PREVENT town cohesion, trying to PREVENT townreads from forming, and also trying to prevent people from going after Alonzo.

Of all the slots posting today, Papyrus is by FAR the most likely to be partnered with Alonzo.

[Alonzo]

How is pap scum first off?

Papyrus spent a significant portion of D1 vanity voting Wiisp among others.
Papyrus did vote Skygazer, but critically lept off BOTH times the wagon was at its peak.
Papyrus's presence

plummeted

after D1 ended. On D1 Papyrus was an incredibly active poster--not the most active, but still had over a hundred posts to their name.

On D2, it was instead only a handful...and most of them were surrounding seeing Yume as me. There was almost no focus outside of that. No reason for the Chemist vote, no reason for anything. The only reasoning given was for us as scum under the wrongful assumption of Yume's posts being mine, and when that was shown to be the case, when Papyrus was shown to be barking up the wrong tree...Papyrus

did nothing

.

Absolutely nothing.

Papyrus

claims

to have received the same message Dannflor and I did, but in spite of Dannflor and I both having left clear, definitive, unambiguous hints as to having gotten it...Papyrus stands out as having done nothing.

Also this is preflip associatives butstill. Papyrus is defending you, and you are defending Papyrus, when the scumteam of four is down two members. If the scumteam gets down to a single member, they're pretty fucked.

Pap was too the point, do you really think trying to be EXACT about who is saying what within a hydra is scummy?
If you know your about to end three peoples games?

I do concede there is an angle were scum sacrifice two to get Pap townread, but its polar opposite from the world that makes me scum in this setup.

[Shining Dreamers]

Yeah but you could do that as scum

Sure can!

I can do ANYTHING as scum, though.
Because pretty much NOTHING is out of my scum range.

If anything I do COULD be scum, then, how the fuck do you sort me?

By finding what is MOST LIKELY to be town or scum.

Here's a hint as to how likely triple-bussing is from me.

[Alonzo]

I was teasing.

About my above point tho?

[Pink Ball]

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

[Alonzo]

also not sure asking for an explanation of a naked vote equals defending someone?

it falls more into the category of asking someone to explain their vote.

which roster handled masterfully btw

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

you mispelled roster

[the worst]

also Alonzo if you're town you really really need to do something

What are your reads?

Mainly wondering why when I ask TW about day one he hasn't read it, but when you ask about something very specific from day one he recalls it perfectly?

....i was literally in the game when that happened

[the worst]

bit strained to read the last two pages rn as they are Very Dense

I'm here for q/a's and will catch up tonight

[Dannflor]

WHAT ARE YOUR READS ALONZO

[Pink Ball]

BROWN EYES
BROWN EYES
BROWN EYES

[the worst]

BLUE EYES
GREEN EYES

[RadiantCowbells]

Brown eyes has been prodded.

[Chemist1422]

me too thanks