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[skitter30]

c) why aren't you more paranoid of my shiny new banner? (wrt 318). i guess what i'm getting at why are you calling sash out for townreading me when you're pretty confidentally calling me town too?

I have a ridiculously inflated sense of my own abilities =) seriously, though, reasons~[/quot]

we can circle back to this at some point

@urap can we talk about the reasons now?

[u r a person 2]

yeah, sure, I'll give you my understanding of your meta

In both the nsg game and here you're very forceful with your opinions. In that scum game we just played you felt much more gentle.

Don't get me wrong you still disagreed with people in that game, and you still played with a bit of stubborness, but it just didn't have the same effect.

Maybe that was in part because you were sharing the slot with RC, and if that's true then I guess after this game I'll have to come up with a new way of reading you, but that's what I am going with here.

Bounce it back at ya, how the heck do you think this is my scum game after watching the game that just finished? lolol

[u r a person 2]

because the whole "skitter doesn't like to talk with people when scum" thing is hooey lolol

[u r a person 2]

presence. Presence is really the word i'm looking for. You have a greater presence both in the thread and with your thoughts as town

[Garmr]

Now lets say that UR2 is town either a power role or scum. Bang scum know 3 roles lynched one and can just leave Sash a wifom bait. A player as exprienced as you should at least know that much right?

r u arguing that we shouldn't wagon urap lest town!him is forced to claim and scum will now know three roles?
or did i misunderstand and you're saying something else?

Basically but it's more that skitter already revealed their role(fakeclaim) and by the off chance he is town he is still mislynch bait latter on. If they are scum we should just lynch them anyway. But to be honest it's obvious the slot is scum.

[skitter30]

@urap fair enough wrt ur read on me. still a bit cautious in believing it's a real read tho cuz i think there's scum in the people townreading me this game, as i'm not getting mislynched here cuz of my ~presence~ as u so aptly put it

i think your play this game looks a lot more like schadd's game than nsg's game (or the newbie)

ur scumgame has improved *a lot* since the last time i meta-d u

[skitter30]

Now lets say that UR2 is town either a power role or scum. Bang scum know 3 roles lynched one and can just leave Sash a wifom bait. A player as exprienced as you should at least know that much right?

r u arguing that we shouldn't wagon urap lest town!him is forced to claim and scum will now know three roles?
or did i misunderstand and you're saying something else?

Basically but it's more that skitter already revealed their role(fakeclaim) and by the off chance he is town he is still mislynch bait latter on. If they are scum we should just lynch them anyway. But to be honest it's obvious the slot is scum.

a) he's not obvious scum
b) i think the fact that he's claimed already is a weak argument against wagoning other people (who actually are scummy!)

[u r a person 2]

Thank you for the compliment ;P

[Garmr]

Now lets say that UR2 is town either a power role or scum. Bang scum know 3 roles lynched one and can just leave Sash a wifom bait. A player as exprienced as you should at least know that much right?

r u arguing that we shouldn't wagon urap lest town!him is forced to claim and scum will now know three roles?
or did i misunderstand and you're saying something else?

Basically but it's more that skitter already revealed their role(fakeclaim) and by the off chance he is town he is still mislynch bait latter on. If they are scum we should just lynch them anyway. But to be honest it's obvious the slot is scum.

a) he's not obvious scum
b) i think the fact that he's claimed already is a weak argument against wagoning other people (who actually are scummy!)

A)He is to me.
B)I don't think it is since you like claims so much why don't we all massclaim then ;/ Also sash>urap in the scummy meter.

[skitter30]

ur towngame was like .... hilariously obviously different than ur first scumgame; i don't think i can say that wrt your last scumgame

so i'm making my best guess, which is that this game looks like schadd's game

you don't have the same ~conviction~ that you had in nsg's game. or you do but it doesn't feel as real idk hard to put into words. like you don't believe the things you're saying the same way you do in your towngame. your thought processes were clear and genuine and ~real~ in your towngames; i don't track ur thought process here at all

pedit dont' be silly. i'm not advocating mass-claim, i'm saying that being afraid of someone else claiming if they get run up is a ridiculous reason to object to other wagons forming at this stage

[u r a person 2]

Ehhh, I disagree that I'm not showing conviction.

One thing I've noticed as a tell for myself is that my reads have more inertia in my scum games. Yes, I'll switch reads, but you don't get the whole worldview change that happens sometimes when I reevaluate as town. Compare this game to when I decided NMSA was town in NSG's game. And then consider that I stayed on starwing all d1 in shadd, and made one read switch on vedith d2 from scum to not scum.

[u r a person 2]

Obviously, that's on my lists of things to fix next time I'm lucky enough to roll scum, but you get a freebie this game =P

[skitter30]

i mean sure, but nothing like that happened in this game

well maybe your channel read switcheroo but it didn't feel the same really

[skitter30]

i acknowledge that there may be some universe where i'm tunneled here btw

[u r a person 2]

i mean sure, but nothing like that happened in this game

tell that to the people calling my reads all over the place and a mess =/

If you guys could temper each other I'd be a town read

[u r a person 2]

can we get back to why you're town reading sash? I think we're on scum here

[skitter30]

i'm not townreading him so much as i think that everyone's reasons for scumreading him are bad

also i think his utter confusion as to why luv's reads should have more ~weight~ is kinda townie (or, well, not weight exactly, but should be given more credence since we *know* he's town); i don't think that scum really forget the ~importance~ of an ic or are like obvlivious to that sort of thing or like try to shade him that way

[u r a person 2]

okay, I agree that looked kind of townie, but what about their most recent posts? The two scum reads are obviously fabricated. I don't think it's fair that I've tunneled on them. You even forgot I was on their wagon at one point, lol. I forget what the other one was off the top of my head but I remember thinking it was a reach, too.

we're what, 3 days out? I could compromise onto ruirui

I know you're paranoid of me but I'm sure you can see how tunneled inferno is. The fact that the only other person pushing that read is at best (fypov) over-scum reading me should give you pause.

I disagree with you on channel. I see why you're scum reading there. I was scum reading there (for basically the same reasons, which you didn't like at the time =/ ), but I think that frustrated outburst was super town-indicative. It would have been hard to fake in real time I think.

[skitter30]

i mean you have been trying to get a wagon going on him repeatedly so
(i forgot u were on the wagon because i hadn't had much sleep i think; it didn't have much to do with what you actually did or didn't do in the game)

i don't think his garmr read is particularly a reach; i was in the game he was scum with garmr. sash was *a lot* more confident as scum there (i was hard-townreading him for a while iirc), and garmr looks kinda simialr, so i'm not surprised he feels this way

idk if inferno is tunneled really, and idk why it hsould give me pause that only one other person is scumreading you (idk if i'm willing to concede the point that he's over-scumreading you; i kinda disagree that he is)

i'm debating whether or not i think channel's outburst is scummy; i'm still thinking about it
i think it's fakeable in real time for some people

[u r a person 2]

idk if inferno is tunneled really,

you really are tunneled if you don't see it.

do you remember the part where he made like 5 posts saying that I was scum because I felt the need to produce content in response to you saying you wanted to sort me?

[u r a person 2]

i don't think his garmr read is particularly a reach; i was in the game he was scum with garmr. sash was *a lot* more confident as scum there (i was hard-townreading him for a while iirc), and garmr looks kinda simialr, so i'm not surprised he feels this way

that's right. it wasn't a reach so much as it was easily faked

[Exilon]

I reread a bit. I really am fine with Sash's lynch.
[quote=Skitter30]i'm debating whether or not i think channel's outburst is scummy; i'm still thinking about it
i think it's fakeable in real time for some people[/quote]

this is weird to me.

Is the outburst in itself possibly scummy to you (but genuine) or can it be scummy *because* it could be faked?
If the latter, why would you fake an outburst?

[Exilon]

EDBWOP: huuuu so that quote was this one:

[...]

i'm debating whether or not i think channel's outburst is scummy; i'm still thinking about it
i think it's fakeable in real time for some people

[Egix96]

let's just lynch sash

^^^^^ bad reaction
especially in the event of town!sash

I'm town and I have the same reaction.

This bugs me... I don't think you'd have said "I'm town and..." if you actually were. Feels forced.

Not moving my vote btw. Main reason why I don't feel like voting urap is 453 because I doubt that scum would say that someone who's tunnelled on them is "clearly town" because that normally doesn't end well (it's very hard to do without it looking like TMI).

So do you think sash is town?

Ohh I get it now, you're saying you had the same reaction as urap... I thought you were agreeing with skitter there.

But yeah I would still guess that Sasha flips town here.

[skitter30]

okay, I

agree that looked kind of townie, but what about their most recent posts

? The two scum reads are obviously fabricated. I don't think it's fair that I've tunneled on them. You even forgot I was on their wagon at one point, lol. I forget what the other one was off the top of my head but I remember thinking it was a reach, too.

we're what, 3 days out? I could compromise onto ruirui

I know you're paranoid of me but I'm sure you can see how tunneled inferno is. The fact that the only other person pushing that read is at best (fypov) over-scum reading me should give you pause.

I disagree with you on channel. I see why you're scum reading there. I was scum reading there (for basically the same reasons, which you didn't like at the time =/ ), but I think that frustrated outburst was super town-indicative. It would have been hard to fake in real time I think.

Also bolded feels like ur conceding the point that he's been townie and then redirecting me towards something else u can try to convince me is scummy