Mini 2072: Timeshift Mafia IV [GAME OVER]

[Prince of Renais]

why am I being held hostage to engage you in good faith off of the presumed fact that I care the most about winning the game when you don't offer the same in return?
I'm not actually mad like firebringer expected me to be because I already distanced myself from the game but, like, I don't see how it's enjoyable for you to play a game with me when you feel the appropriate way to deal with my slot is to not even try to read me.

[Firebringer]

i found a donut:


i don't need prince anymore

[TTTT]

why am I being held hostage to engage you in good faith off of the presumed fact that I care the most about winning the game when you don't offer the same in return?
I'm not actually mad like firebringer expected me to be because I already distanced myself from the game but, like, I don't see how it's enjoyable for you to play a game with me when you feel the appropriate way to deal with my slot is to not even try to read me.

all I asked was why you voted
If the need arises to determine your slot's alignment I'll get there
no way that's a priority day1 for me

[D3f3nd3r]

And mastina,

if you want me to replace out of this game, just request it any time in the game

, I will not be insulted/take offense to it at all. I will honor it because I can be a dick to you and I am not promising I won't be a dick to you at all this game. You shouldn't have to deal with that if you don't want to and I will honor the request.

She can’t do that, it’s now against site rules.

I don't think you understand the purpose of that rule.

Subject: Rule Regarding Threats/Demands to Replace Out of Games

We have added a rule to the Game Specific Rules to read:

Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence.

As such, do not tell other players to replace out.

Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.

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Just don't plz.
Im pages behind but like, seriously.

It should be abundantly clear that if there’s ever an issue with wanting another player to be replaced, you should do so via PM to me. I take no issue with Firebringer’s initial comment given the circumstances, but going through PM to me would have been preferable.

Mastina has stated in this thread that she’s fine with both her and Firebringer continuing to play in this game, so this conversation doesn’t need to continue.

[Time Devil]

To recap the REVEALED knowledge of THE FUTURE:
Mephistophanes was the D3 mislynch; they are TOWN.
A hydra was the N2 nightkill; they are obviously TOWN.
Yahmose CLAIMED a KILLING ability ORIGINALLY.
Something_Smart is TOWN.
ORIGINALLY, RC ended up HARD-TUNNELED on a TOWN player at SOME POINT in the game.
And NOW, light_ganski is the BEST place to go.

What does everyone make of this? I’ve never played timeshift, is there a PR that knows the future?

[Latrodectus]

@Light: your 224 questions are all to my other head but collectively we are debating Mephisto it's not a definite scumread.

Your shading that as fence sitting is (￢_￢) though

Are you saying you toneread Mastina as scum? and that should be more important than her actual reads and votes? because that's kind of bizarre

scumreading ceejay and you doesn't mean we're convinced you are a team, so

You think scum!me chose to jump on an RVS wagon immediately after my buddy?

is pretty bogus

Not sure where her roster read in that post came from, we haven't discussed that one beyond her making that comment, so can't respond there, but taking the time to address these one by one, I get why she skipped on responding to your 224

[Latrodectus]

TD, she's joking around

~A

[Latrodectus]

TTTT, could you clarify your 124 (it's quoted in the spoiler), were you still wanting to lynch Righto at that time? And were you at least a smidge serious in 113?

Anyway, in response to Light bringing this continuously, I'll just dump the whole chunk of game

Spoiler: The lolwagon, HUGE, only useful for rereading while thinking about the rightowagon

I'm checking in! didn't realise that the game started but rainbow reads HAS to be town. look at that text

Hey look this is scum.

VOTE: Righttodude

There is a recent thread in MD about newb scum greeting people like this

what I meant to write was...


Okay town, it's time to get serious. After carefully reviewing the Mephistophanes 39 wagon, I've determined that it's nonsense. I can't say for a certain fact that he's town, but he's definitely not mafia. The wagon being built on him is clearly designed by relatively intelligent scum getting bad towns to sheep them. If you're town, you need to get off of it now. I haven't lookd into the RC wagon in the same detail, but at first glance it appears to be the same. Now, given this, I can conlcude with a high degree of probability that the mafia has day chat.

Now, while lynching ceejay is unequivocally the right option, since we're nearing the deadline I would be willling to lynch my weaker scumread Righttodude.

VOTE: Righttodude

Join this wagon.

As a leading authority on ceejay, I can say that lynching ceejay is definitely not the right option. I, however, am willing to support you on your endeavour to lynch your scumread.

VOTE: Rightodude

Righto is scum. Join us!

Righto is scum. Join us!

I mean, I kinda believe it. But a case would be nice

I'm checking in! didn't realise that the game started but rainbow reads HAS to be town. look at that text

Hey look this is scum.

VOTE: Righttodude

can't you agree that rainbow's text is godly.

This is your case.

Okay RC is utterly terrible. If it weren't for the obvscum wagon on Righttodude I would definitely scumread him, but it's pretty clear he's just bad town. I would strenuously ask rosterfoster and the other town on him to move their votes off.

Time Devil is still a fine lynch.

Pretty sure this is James3 memeing

I’m slightly confused right now. My head is hurting
/vote for me to get a psychiatrist

Okay VOTE: rightodude

~A

now where's my psychiatrist?

I also require a psychiatrist VOTE: rightodude

I guess we're destined to repeat the mistakes of the FUTURE, if mastina cannot tell us the scum we originally failed to kill

L-2

Hey look this is scum.

VOTE: Righttodude

Righto is scum. Join us!

Please explain your Righto case to me. Thanks.

I don't get the wagon on Rightodude, not much info besides a townlock on RC which seems sudden since that's his opening post (95). It scumpings me, but not enough for me to L-1.

Mephistophanes seems to think mastina is scum, and I think 192 doesn't get the point across (I don't see the connection).

Yahmose's "can kill" claim doesn't sit right with me, especially considering 181. (probably scum, if Yahmose is a scum!vig we're doomed)

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VOTE: rightodude

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I feel there is good odds that light_ganski is scum!
Mephistophanes 39 also is leaning scum for page four!

Rosterfoster is leaning town, but I do not believe his vote on rightodude is necessarily a good vote!
TTTT being so serious through the shitposting right away rings town to me!

UNVOTE: Rightodude

The wagon composition and the location of the specific names on that wagon makes it likely that Rightodude is town! =)

L-2

Hello! I am caught up! =)

TTTT is very likely town!
Rosterfoster is likely town!

Thanks to these two reads and my concurrent scumreads on ceejayvinoya and Light_Ganski, the Rosterfoster->TTTT->ceejayvinoya->Light_Ganski ordering on the Rightodude wagon is suspicious! I also personally believe that Rightodude looks much more like LHF than scum at the current moment!

Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

Mephistophanes has pinged me a few times! Ari's original vote onto RC was not a good vote, and Nancy trying to pull the suspicion off of that post while still townreading the slot that pushed it feels agenda-driven!
Time_Devil is likely town! It's quite standard for their posting to feel incredibly awkward and I believe that specific point is NAI, but the suspicion on the Aristophanes vote on RC is quite good!

I don't get the wagon on Rightodude, not much info besides a townlock on RC which seems sudden since that's his opening post (95). It scumpings me, but not enough for me to L-1.

rightodude is a lolwagon but they're probably town in hindsight

UNVOTE:

L-3

There’s a wagon on me for making a meme post.
Thanks Obama.
I’ll just ignore the fact that there’s going to be a lynch on me. I can tell you right now that you will regret lynching me.
I’m not claiming D1 because that’s dumb.

Very bad response to a lolwagon.

For a start it's uncommon for an early D1 wagon to lead to a lynch anyway,

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one most of us joined for the lolz. And no one would expect a claim at L-3, just out of RVS

This seems like a fake overreaction and a bad attempt at faking a PR slip

This is starting to feel more like a case on Light than context around the wagon and no one other than me is going to read this giant wall of quotes anyway. Anyway, lolwagon is a pretty strong dismissal of this, and Light keeps repeating it and emphasizing it and it doesn't have to be the most serious wagon of all time for that to be suspicious.

Also, chalk me up as also scumreading

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now that I look at this again. Didn't realize it got to L-1 for a moment there before my partner unvoted.

~A

[Firebringer]

I am going to sleep, gnite thread.

[Prince of Renais]

neat that you failed to respond to me calling meph scum.

[rightodude]

we need a day one lynch and I don't know where else it's supposed to go.

/vote mephistophanes

[Prince of Renais]

good job!!

[TTTT]

TTTT, could you clarify your 124 (it's quoted in the spoiler), were you still wanting to lynch Righto at that time? And were you at least a smidge serious in 113?

those are both james3 posts
names used do not represent accurate portrayals of real people living or dead

[rosterfoster]

This game is not interesting.

VOTE: LG

[Latrodectus]

those are both james3 posts
names used do not represent accurate portrayals of real people living or dead

So you just plugged names in entirely at random?
~A

[Mephistophanes 39]

ok

so i guess no one's ever actually going to play the game and i'm just going to play single player mafia all game

VOTE: mephistophanes 39

this is scum. no strong stance on who the other scum are but this is always scum.

If you’re town here, you’ll regret this vote. If you successfully push our mislynch, doubling, tripling down on that.

If you’re actually scum here, I’ll just probably hate you.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Why are you being difficult?
you just complained that nobody is playing the game
and I'm trying to engage you on your vote

the actual answer is also something that is hard to put into a post

applied to both heads, when I've read them off of my gut read I've been dead on. I bailed ND39 out in MD (though I did have strong lingering doubts about her and intended to play around her being scum) because I thought intellectually it was unlikely she would do a few things as scum. She was still scum and I felt it in my gut. I kept discrediting Nimueh townreads in NSG's game even though I was never confident enough to go after her because intellectually her response to GL could have been a SvS interaction even though she didn't feel scummy. Same goes for Ari who I have accurately gutread over a very large number of games and only once screwed up on when I decided to abandon my gut read and "think" that he was town b/c he was posting too much to be scum.

this is all a very roundabout way of saying that I gutread both of their posting scum and I don't think that I'm ever wrong on that gutread.

solitaire Mafia sounds like a shitty game
have fun

it is a pretty shitty game. but the expectation of me right now is that I play solitaire mafia and then I get lynched if my solitaire mafia performance wasn't good enough.
does this interaction with me

actually

change your read on me no matter how it goes? because I strongly suspect based on past precedence the answer is no.

One little fly in this ointment Sherlock, we’re never scum here and this had better be a fucking reaction test.

[Mephistophanes 39]

tentative pick for second scum is mastina but I don't have any good reasons for that.

You have no good reasons for sr me either but hey, don’t let that stop you.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I can believe Nancy is scum given her interaction with me tbh.

Based on what?

?????

[Mephistophanes 39]

I can believe Nancy is scum given her interaction with me tbh.

VOTE: Firebringer

This makes absolutely no sense.

[Mephistophanes 39]

VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

But otoh, naked voting is supersketch.

[Something_Smart]

But otoh, naked voting is supersketch.

Is it really?

[TTTT]

those are both james3 posts
names used do not represent accurate portrayals of real people living or dead

So you just plugged names in entirely at random?
~A

no I used whoever I was voting for at the time and tried to make it make sense

[Firebringer]

I can believe Nancy is scum given her interaction with me tbh.

VOTE: Firebringer

This makes absolutely no sense.

does it though?

[Firebringer]

tentative pick for second scum is mastina but I don't have any good reasons for that.

You have no good reasons for sr me either but hey, don’t let that stop you.

u know this is one of those classic scum posts u make right?