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[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hopefully not, Sashaddin is probably town IMO

Do you want to start elaborating on like everything?

They just never looked like mafia to me

idk if this really comes from scum tbh
idk where to vote rn really either

Same boat sadly.

[u r a person 2]

both of you should trust the better aspects of your natures and sheep me ;P

[skitter30]

i still want urap
if that isn't going to happen i guess i'll vote rui given the wagons but i don't partiuclarly want to
i don't think i'm voting sash today

there's a few other people i would compromise on to prevent a no lynch

[skitter30]

also scum!sash unvotes his cw because .....

[u r a person 2]

also scum!sash unvotes his cw because .....

let's flip ruirui

[skitter30]

luv can i interest u in the urap wagon?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not really sold on scum Urap here. I’ll have to reread but a part of me feels you’re tunneled.

What if we all compromised on High Risk Gamble?

[skitter30]

in an ideal universe i'd prefer the slot to catchup but i'm willing to compromise there i guess

[Sashaddin]

Sigh
UNVOTE: URAP2

sigh

(Hushed voice) But he made two really townie posts lately...

[ChannelDelibird]

RuiRui - I've made my feelings here clear. RuiRui seems to be posting just barely enough to not get prodded too much, and what she does say seems to betray a frightful lack of interest in the game at large. It's all the lightest of brushes against the surface level, to the extent that she isn't even reacting to any suspicion on her at all. Pressure must be applied here to force some kind of commitment to anything at all.

Why does that make you want to lynch me? Just a policy thing?

No, not policy, I believe that this is alignment-indicative. Town cares, town has to try. Town has to fight for a good lynch because any old lynch is unlikely to work out for them. Scum is reluctant to engage because engagement is dangerous for them, it opens them up to getting caught.

You've never given the appearance of giving a shit, and haven't done a single thing that has helped town find scum. You're just trying to be ignored. So you probably aren't town.

[ChannelDelibird]

RuiRui > Sash > Gamble

Gamble's initial burst of activity then failure to finish catching up sucks but is not particularly more likely to be from scum than town - merely very mildly. Would rather get info on a more prominent wagon. Would rather lynch likely scum over both

[Sashaddin]

RuiRui > Sash > Gamble

Gamble's initial burst of activity then failure to finish catching up sucks but is not particularly more likely to be from scum than town - merely very mildly. Would rather get info on a more prominent wagon. Would rather lynch likely scum over both

So to you I'm more probable than Gamble to be scum?

[ChannelDelibird]

So to you I'm more probable than Gamble to be scum?

Maybe slightly. I don't have a strong feeling on either of you. I'm much happier on RuiRui, who I strongly feel is likely to flip scum.

However, if I had to choose between you and Gamble, this is why I would opt for you:

You: You don't seem to have much you're passionate about pushing on in terms of a scum lynch (which I would expect to see from town) but you also seem like a relatively unusual player which makes that harder to judge. The 'I'm awful, I'm clearly going to get lynched' is a weird grey area that feels like it should be indicative but is hard to pin down. Also, you have been a major wagon for all of Today, with various people coming out for and against your lynch at different times, so if you were to be lynched and we were to find out your alignment, we would have a lot of other people's behaviour to look at that would help us work out whether they already knew what your alignment was.

Gamble: CBY posted almost nothing that was truly readable, and Gamble's enthusiasm upon replacing in was initially positive but any goodwill there has eroded from their failure to complete their catch-up. But personally I don't think that's very alignment-indicative. So ultimately Gamble would be a shot-in-the-dark lynch based on having a lot of townreads elsewhere, but unlike your lynch there's been very little chance to talk about Gamble so it'd be harder to get information from other players' stances on them.

[Sashaddin]

You: You don't seem to have much you're passionate about pushing on in terms of a scum lynch (which I would expect to see from town) but you also seem like a relatively unusual player which makes that harder to judge. The 'I'm awful, I'm clearly going to get lynched' is a weird grey area that feels like it should be indicative but is hard to pin down.

I'm not pushy naturally, this game being worse than average. I was also down from getting scumread without any reason in my other game as well. But you are right on both points. Oh, and people say I'm awkward.

[Garmr]

also scum!sash unvotes his cw because .....

It's not going to pick up?

But I'll bite on the scenario

Say if I'm wrong Sash

That means the counter wagons were urap,rui rui

Rui rui's probably not scum and tbh Urap not on my scum list either. So it's likely that no one has wagoned scum and they are playing a good game.

So taken in my reads this what this vote count looks like to me if sash is town.

VC 1.04

Sashaddin

(5):

u r a person 2

159,

Ausuka

162,

Lil Uzi Vert 173, bob3141 180, Garmr 181

[

b]RuiRui (4)

[/b] ChannelDelibird 174, skitter30 201, Egix96 233,

Exilon 234

u r a person 2 (1):

Inferno390

79
Exilon (1)

:cbynumber

24
[

b]bob3141 (1) Sashaddin

151

Not Voting:/b] RuiRui

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-03 20:00:00)

So that suggests if I am correct believed at this time that sash would be a mislynch and scum were avoiding it think it would go through with out them. If not that I am wrong about at least one of my reads. If I am wrong with any of my reads I think it would be URAP or Ausaka

[Sashaddin]

But I'll bite on the scenario

Say if I'm wrong Sash

Well on my wagon I suspected at some point everyone but LUV and Ausuka. But if you trust your reads, well yeah, it could be a town wagon.
Personally, I'm afraid my scum list has run dry with the extinction of Bob and URAP2 . The wolves are well hidden... Are we 10/3 or 9/4 in this format usually?

[Sashaddin]

It's not going to pick up?

But I'll bite on the scenario

Say if I'm wrong Sash

I retroactively undetoood the question.
I didn't look at the wagon before unvoting, I was isoing (and had Bob's open too, and my oldest came at that moment so I screwed up) when I unvoted.

[Inferno390]

Sash: Minis are normally 10/3

[High Risk Gamble]

i'm not actually scumreading you inherently for your sash vote
idk if i actually have a good have a good reason (ie one i can articulate rn) for thinking you might be scum; atm it's largely a gut read. like i read your posts and think they feel ????? weird and wrong.
like weirdly timed. making weird observations. idk just feel weird.
your sash vote/post was one such post. it's not inherently scummy but it's another post that feels kinda off, and you've made a whole bunch of them.

like i don't follow your reasons for voting sash. i don't know what prompted you to read sash's iso there. i don't like how you started the post with 'hey anyone else read sash's iso?' ; it feels like you're trying to drum up support for a read that i don't really feel you necessarily ~have~ so much as trying to get momentum for this push

i can give you the weekend, sure, the game is early (by weekend i mean probably until like monday since i'm at least semi-v/la until then)
i'm going to circle back to this then tho

when u do have a chance:
1. why is sash's iso scummy af?
2. why is the ate-y reaction townie?

idk let's go here for now
VOTE: ruirui

pedit @urap

I really liked this post up until the vote.
It just doesn't follow a line of thought of voting scum. I'm not sure if it's scum going for an easier target or not though.
Regardless this should be pressured more in think so I may re address this after catch up.

[High Risk Gamble]

Thx m8
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I’m a little hesitant on the Sash wagon. It formed really fast, and I’m not entirely convinced it’s legit. I’m gonna have to go back and read it to see how it formed.

This is a town post

[High Risk Gamble]

Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui

It reads as you have this slot an null or at a post scum lean, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is this really the strongest read you have to go with at this stage?

[High Risk Gamble]

FYI, I'm going to be limited to phoneposting until Sunday evening.

Those squeamish about the Sash wagon should come hang out on the infinitely more wholesome RuiRui wagon, which grows more righteous with every passing minute since her last (awful) post.

ok actually I'm ok with this

VOTE: RuiRui

This ones even worse since your attraction hasn't been any where near RuiRui. What made you feel that this is solid reasoning as scummy here?

[High Risk Gamble]

I'm gonna go right for the cliche here

*ahem*

I think this is TvT

This feels highly possible while scum are just sitting back.

[Egix96]

Not so sure that inferno is town now.

can you elaborate on why this is? like he still seems really townie to me.

This post in particular I didn't like:

God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.

God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.

why not tho

1 sash is going to flip scum.
2.less information than wagons that have been going all day.

Unless you wanna lynch inferno?

Given that the only “spontaneous wagon” going on is UR2, this reads suspiciously like scum worried that his partner is going to get lynched out of nowhere because the wagon he’s been pushing falls apart. Plus saying I should be lynched, especially when widely townread indicates to me that he’s scum that wants to get rid of me.

I think it's scummy for him to tie Garmr and urap together like that because to me it seems like a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Also "saying I should be lynched, especially when widely townread indicates to me that he’s scum that wants to get rid of me" looks OMGUS-y imo.

[High Risk Gamble]

Page 16 so far and Egix, URA, and Asuka look pretty good diverting against or ruling out scum in Inferno/Garmr 1 v 1